Ghotbi's Team Was Trashed by Newly Promoted Team

[Mansoor]

I see similar debate here to the time after Branko's departure. Contrary to some friends here, I believe it is a learning experience to follow their work after their departure. It is as Iranian football forum subject as it can get.

Branko did well after he left Iran and showed not to be "3rd rated coach" some claimed. Same here to see how international Ghotbi is and how it was "zamin o zaman" that didn't let him win something for Iran's national team, even as little as WAFF, let alone Asian Cup or WCQ ...

[Dreamer]

Guys this was his first game lol, relax ...

[iran5678]

I think it was only yesturday that somebody wanted to kill morinhio for his bad results with RM, and where is that famous big mouth brasilian coach today and how was his performance with chelsea? and how was capello's results with england NT in europian competitions? was not france eliminated in the first round of last WC? Or did not the champions italy failed misrably with the same coach that won them the trophy?

There are more and more examples of world class coaches that have failed to deliver, is it because of their coaching abilities or lack of compatibility between their style of coaching and their respective teams?

We can easily attack someone like ghotbi because he is first an iranian and then he did not satisfy our high unrealistic expectations.

Ghotbi is at the begginig of his international career and he is eligible to fail.

[soniq]

not a ghotbi fan but joojaro akhare payeez mishmoran
watch out you might look like an idiot for calling him out early...

[NFL]

I see similar debate here to the time after Branko's departure. Contrary to some friends here, I believe it is a learning experience to follow their work after their departure. It is as Iranian football forum subject as it can get.
Branko did well after he left Iran and showed not to be "3rd rated coach" some claimed. Same here to see how international Ghotbi is and how it was "zamin o zaman" that didn't let him win something for Iran's national team, even as little as WAFF, let alone Asian Cup or WCQ ...

don't know of anyone making any such claims, unless by Zamin o Zaman you mean South Korea.. They are not a bad team , you know.

Yes Branko was able to beat South Korea , but the next game he couldn't beat China.. Oh yeah, I remember. It must have been Karimi's fault..

I am surprised at you that you keep mentioning "Result" (or lack there of) as your argument.. It shouldn't matter to you whether ghotbi got result or not, as far as you knew he wasn't even a coach. He was a charlatan who had lied and forged a resume and his coaching certificate, one who stood around practice facilities to take pictures with big shot coaches.. So why bother even mentioning "Results" when it comes to ghotbi.. At least stay true to your mission.

You see, If you are such Result oriented person than Mayelee Kohan should be the best coach we have ever had.. 6-2 thrashing of South Korea and 3-0 destruction of Saudi Arbabi and a third place in AC 1996 is the best result we have ever had in the last 32 years, wouldn't you agree?


Yes, Branko was a good coach and he spent 5 years in Iran, but answer this question: What did he leave behind? His team (a team he worked on for 5 years) full of Leggionnairers, went to AC games only one year after he (Branko) left, and what happened?

How many coaches got a first hand international level training and experience with Branko during his 5 plus years in Iran? Faraki and Shahrokhi? lol is all I can say..

anyways, thank god Ghotbi is gone and our football problems are all solved..

[NFL]

not a ghotbi fan but joojaro akhare payeez mishmoran
watch out you might look like an idiot for calling him out early...

you think it matters?

when one's mission is to thrash someone, it doesn't matter whether his team wins or loses.. it's easy to make up reasons to thrash another person. very easy.

[Neda]

... even as little as WAFF, let alone Asian Cup or WCQ ...

these three tourneys are the only ones we regularly play and he has had a chance to coach TM in all of them!
there cannot be a bigger honor for ghotbi, now he has to complete his successes in the j-league in japan.
believe me, i am not doubting him, i just die to see him win the j-league as he has promised.
this will even be a bigger honor than wining ipl bc aliabadi is not there to help out.
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[kia]

LOL @ people wishing him success because he is Iranian. Its like saying I hope AN succeeds because he is Iranian. Ghotbi is a con man and he will fail and people who are smart enough for calling him out will be happy to see him fail Iranian or not.

[Mansoor]

Dear NFL, I read your post couple of times to find something that makes sense and I failed to do so. Then I read mine again and again and still couldn't find what you posted there to have any relation to it what so ever.

To clear it one more time: I said these threads that look at their work after their departure is (to me) a very interesting Iranian football forum subject. I did not refere to "one game" result as it is premature. He used many excuses in Iran whenever failed, so I said let's keep our eyes on him to see what happens there. I will maintain my observation to the end as I did with national team.

My work on Ghotbi's exaggeration is well documented with reference to reliable sources. In fact, I still have the booklet that US federation sent me in regard to Ghotbi's "non existance" in 1998 world cup.

Ghotbi and his media used "avam faribi" with a combination of "bozorg namaei" and "mazloom namaei". In my book, that will register as charlatan bazi no matter how many coaching license he has. I was never involved in his license debate. I am not sure how you came up with that one either ...

And to answer your question, Branko left a very promising team. The problem is we wasted time and resources with unqualified coaches such as Ghalenoei, Daei, and Ghotbi, after him to take Iran to next step.

The rest of your post would only generate a redundant discussion that has been debated n times, and obviously has not effected your opinion thus far. So, respectfully I do not see any reason to discuss it again.

don't know of anyone making any such claims, unless by Zamin o Zaman you mean South Korea.. They are not a bad team , you know.

Yes Branko was able to beat South Korea , but the next game he couldn't beat China.. Oh yeah, I remember. It must have been Karimi's fault..

I am surprised at you that you keep mentioning "Result" (or lack there of) as your argument.. It shouldn't matter to you whether ghotbi got result or not, as far as you knew he wasn't even a coach. He was a charlatan who had lied and forged a resume and his coaching certificate, one who stood around practice facilities to take pictures with big shot coaches.. So why bother even mentioning "Results" when it comes to ghotbi.. At least stay true to your mission.

You see, If you are such Result oriented person than Mayelee Kohan should be the best coach we have ever had.. 6-2 thrashing of South Korea and 3-0 destruction of Saudi Arbabi and a third place in AC 1996 is the best result we have ever had in the last 32 years, wouldn't you agree?


Yes, Branko was a good coach and he spent 5 years in Iran, but answer this question: What did he leave behind? His team (a team he worked on for 5 years) full of Leggionnairers, went to AC games only one year after he (Branko) left, and what happened?

How many coaches got a first hand international level training and experience with Branko during his 5 plus years in Iran? Faraki and Shahrokhi? lol is all I can say..

anyways, thank god Ghotbi is gone and our football problems are all solved..

[Masoud_A]

LOL @ people wishing him success because he is Iranian. Its like saying I hope AN succeeds because he is Iranian. Ghotbi is a con man and he will fail and people who are smart enough for calling him out will be happy to see him fail Iranian or not.

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[NYNJA]

Very funny! had this been a victory for Ghotbi, the mods just wouldn't have it, and this thread could only be placed in the international section.
funnnnny what a short memory some people have, he is Persian again! I guess to be Persian you have to be a loser, of course only here (I can't stop laughing).

well done!

The following thread was moved after only 137 views!
http://www.persianfootball.com/forum...ghlight=ghotbi

[NFL]

Dear NFL, I read your post couple of times to find something that makes sense and I failed to do so. Then I read mine again and again and still couldn't find what you posted there to have any relation to it what so ever.

To clear it one more time: I said these threads that look at their work after their departure is (to me) a very interesting Iranian football forum subject. I did not refere to "one game" result as it is premature. He used many excuses in Iran whenever failed, so I said let's keep our eyes on him to see what happens there. I will maintain my observation to the end as I did with national team.

you mentioned 'getting resluts, failures, and zamin o zaman excuses" in your post. I guess I was trying to understand about your view on Ghotbi and how it is related to what he does in the future!!! I was trying to understand why you would even care to see how ghotbi does or doesn't do in the future, considering all the things you have said in the past about him. I did'nt think it was necessary to start from the beginning.

If someone is convicted of murder and is being executed, does it matter that he cheated on his K0nkoor test?

If Ghotbi was who and what you have said about him, does it matter that you should question his "excuses" for every time he failed? Should it even matter (to you at least) what he does in Japan or after that? Say he won something, so what? He was a charlatan when he came to Iran. Say he lost. does that prove that he was a charlatan before? I mean, even great coaches fail, let alone a no good coach.

Ghotbi and his media used "avam faribi" with a combination of "bozorg namaei" and "mazloom namaei". In my book, that will register as charlatan bazi no matter how many coaching license he has. I was never involved in his license debate. I am not sure how you came up with that one either

that is your opinion not a fact.

the facts on the ground were that after Branko they gave the job to GN
After that they gave it to Daie,
and after that, they gave it to MK (who resigned after one day)
and with WC practically out of reach, in a desperate attempt and under pretty bad circumstances, they gave it to Ghotbi. a move made out of desperation. See how bad the situation was that MK changed his mind and resigned.


And as far as his job with Perspolis, Estilit has said on multiple occasions (on Navad) that he is the one that wanted Ghotbi to come to perspolis and he is the one that brought him to Perspolis. and between you and Estili, I have to believe him (sorry no offense).

I am not saying nothing of your claims are valid, and certainly not saying Ghotbi is a great coach, I guess I am just trying to understand your obsession.

keshvari ke rayees jomhouresh ahmadi o , rahbarash mash ali-o, morabi sabeghesh Daie-o GN-o amsalohom basheh, Ghotbi az saresh-am ziadieh.

[sadrna]

Very funny! had this been a victory for Ghotbi, the mods just wouldn't have it, and this thread could only be placed in the international section.
funnnnny what a short memory some people have, he is Persian again! I guess to be Persian you have to be a loser, of course only here (I can't stop laughing).

well done!

The following thread was moved after only 137 views!
http://www.persianfootball.com/forum...ghlight=ghotbi

WOW! you hit the nail on the head and I realy hope the mods take the time to digest the point you've made. However, I am not pointing the finger at the mods. It's much worst than that! It our people's mentality and as you say, you have to be a loser to be accepted Iranian!!!

[ihatefootball]

Got highlights.

[Mansoor]

Dear NFL (can I call you with some name rather than NFL id, maybe something like Dariush or Pejman or Kaveh? it just sounds better than calling someone NFL when communicating)

a) "bozorg namaei" and "mazloom namaei" campaign was not "opinion" but fact and well documented.

I view it as "avam faribi", yes that is my opinion. Some may see it as charlatan bazi, some see it as "zerang bazi", that is their opinion.

At the end, coaches get the job through qualification or "charlatan bazi/zerang bazi" to produce result and can't get away from "judgement day". Ghotbi failed to produce and that also is a fact.

b) I am not sure how to respond to your point here:

you mentioned 'getting resluts, failures, and zamin o zaman excuses" in your post. I guess I was trying to understand about your view on Ghotbi and how it is related to what he does in the future!!! I was trying to understand why you would even care to see how ghotbi does or doesn't do in the future, considering all the things you have said in the past about him. I did'nt think it was necessary to start from the beginning.
If someone is convicted of murder and is being executed, does it matter that he cheated on his K0nkoor test?
If Ghotbi was who and what you have said about him, does it matter that you should question his "excuses" for every time he failed? Should it even matter (to you at least) what he does in Japan or after that? Say he won something, so what? He was a charlatan when he came to Iran. Say he lost. does that prove that he was a charlatan before? I mean, even great coaches fail, let alone a no good coach.

Please read it a few times and seek the answer within your own statement.

Ofcourse it is. When someone is being "painted" as Emperor, international coach, been in 3 world cups (!!?), assistant to Hidding (!), etc, it is revealing to watch him at work.

I never claimed he is not a "coach" (as many of us are or can become one with a few hours of classes and practical sessions). What was being "painted" eventually washed out and that is interesting to watch. Even though I may feel bad for him at times but still interesting to watch the fans' reaction and their journey of "learning experience".

c) If you "believe Estili rather than me" would you also believe what he has said about Ghotbi and his work? In fact, I was in touch with Estili when in Perspolis and you sure "don't want" to hear what he had to say even back then ...

d) You used the word "obsession" to describe my work on revealing a rather sad story in history of our football. Would you mind explaining why you have dedicated and limited your posting to Ghotbi subjects??? I mean you appeared here with Ghotbi, and re-appear again and again when Ghotbi subject opens up, would you mind explaining, or rather describing that to us?

I mean you are in complete harmony with "bozorg namaei" and "mazloom namaei", even in this very thread. Since he lost, let's bring up he is Iranian, what a shame for us to talk about our hamvatan's loss, keshvari ke this and that Ghotbi az sareshoon ziadeh, etc, etc ....