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    #16
    Originally posted by Doctor DOOM View Post
    so shd I surmise that you either dont remember the game and especially dont remember how we scored the goal. or are just avoiding the acknowledgment.

    either way I see you trying to credit ghotbi with the korean defender's silly amateurish mistake/inability to trap a simple ball which bounced off his leg and fell to ando (but Mr. goodarzi has no relation to Ms. shaghayegh).
    you want us to believe ghotbi "knew" and "strategized" on this mistake since he'd seen it in his crystal ball and ... etc.

    or btw, while we are at it, lets forget how magnificently he handled the koreans by allowing them to consistently jab at us from flanks. that was some marvelous coaching to ignore the strengths of the opponents. Ooophh!

    by just writing "ghotbi knew this and that" doesnt make it real.
    what is real is we were GIFTED by a silly, childish mistake of a defender failing to trap the simple ball. NOT through our tactics or ....
    and thanks to rahmati who has become ghotbi's guardian angel by saving his arse game after game.
    never mind how ghotbi still didnt show he was able to handle the koreans' strength which is their wide plays and flanks.

    no. lets just keep repeating things, ... enough number of times, hoping it would turn to reality!

    Payman Jaan.........
    Every body,including yourself, said opposite of what you are saying now............
    You are right, only as far as , one of us, is defenetly keep reapeting to create his own reality, to argue for the sake of argument, and harefe mard yekieh........
    I am not just ,trying to to credit Ghotbi, for the TM win....I did prove it !!

    Once again, out of respect for you...here is the ......The Korean admition of Ghotbi's work ::
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    Korean perspective

    Iran loss begging questions over player selection



    http://www.footkorean.net/wp-content...200&w=200&zc=1 Sep 15, 2010
    Park Ji-sung cut a frustrated figure as he left the pitch at Sangam World Cup stadium on Tuesday night. The national team captain had been battered by an aggressive Iranian midfield and came away with little to show for his effort but for his bruises and the echoes of his complaints to an uninterested referee. Perhaps more disappointing to the Manchester United workhorse was the inefficacy of the Cho Kwang-Rae‘s formation, an attack-minded 3-4-1-2, despite all of the pre-match hype about breathing strategic novelty and elegance into the Korean game. While a similar tactic had worked against a lackluster Nigeria, a compact Iranian side, displaying aggressive pressure and determination, exposed glaring deficiencies in almost all areas of the pitch. While the ramifications of the match were about what you would expect for a friendly, the loss, nonetheless, highlighted some serious areas of concern ahead of the Asian Cup — in particular, Cho’s player selection.
    From the infancy of his tenure as national team manager, Cho has made it a point to emphasize the fact that he intends to bring about a transition from the older generation of World Cup 2006 to the younger generation of World Cup 2014. Against Nigeria, Cho sparked a media blitz by calling up several promising youngsters such as Ji Dong-won (Jeonnam Dragons) and Yoon Bitgaram (Gyeongnam FC), a player Cho himself has nurtured at his former club. In defense, Cho picked out towering 21-year old Hong Jeong-ho (Jeju United) and imposing 20-year old Kim Young-kwon (FC Tokyo) as having considerable potential as national team defenders. While some raised speculation as to whether or not the players were experienced enough to merit consideration, Cho remained adamant that it was the right move and a necessary step in making progress towards transition. This time around, however, there was not so much a criticism of the inexperience of some of the youngsters being selected as question marks regarding the players selected and their respective roles within the team. With only Seok Hyeon-joon (Ajax) and Park Ju-young (AS Monaco) called up as forwards, the message was clear that the teamsheet would emphasize the strength and versatility of midfield and that the attack would rest on the potent, fluid triumverate of Park Ji-sung, Lee Chung-yong and Park Ju-young.
    However, Cho’s adherence to and self-belief in the 3-4-1-2 formation has consequently hamstringed the current national selection. After the loss againstIran, it became patently obvious that finishing continues to be a persistent problem while lingering questions have been raised over the current selections for positions that have not been challenged for in recent memory, including Lee Young-pyo’s favored left-back slot. TheIranmatch served as an excellent opportunity to blood some of the more inexperienced players in and while defense saw two potential starlets step up, there was a sense that attacking positions could have used an infusion of fresher faces. Case in point, two strikers who have continued their excellent rookie performances in the K-League, Incheon United’s aggressive Yoo Byung-soo and Gangwon FC’s intelligent Kim Young-hoo, were yet again missing in action from Cho’s initial 22-man roster. The former, currently leading the goalscoring charts with Jeonbuk’s Enio Olivieria Junior (“Eninho”), is unlike many national team forwards in that his lack of versatility is also his strongest point — his physical, powerful game is suited towards pure striking, something the incumbent K-League Rookie of the Year has proven to excel at this year (and last) with 13 goals to his name but no assists. The latter literally emerged from the netherworlds of the Korean football leagues, leaving teams in his devastating goalscoring wake, and continued to rampage with an impressive inaugural showing in the K-League with expansion team Gangwon. Goalscoring isn’t Kim Young-hoo’s only talent, however, as last weekend’s hat-trick of assists against a shambolic Jeonbuk defense showed that he’s as crafty a creator as he is an opportunistic fox-in-the-box. For someone who has, until recently, been immersed in the K-League both as a manager and player, it comes as somewhat of a surprise then that Cho Kwang-rae would consciously omit both players from contention in favor of the unproven Seok or the already proven Park. Other players who have impressed like Kim Eun-joong and Ji Dong-won were also nowhere to be seen.


    Yoo Byung-soo’s impressive goalscoring ability on display

    In midfield, continued and justified criticism of Ki Sung-yong’s listless, uninspired performances continue to harangue both team and player. Although earmarked for having untapped reservoirs of footballing potential, Ki Sung-yong has continually disappointed since his well-publicized move to Glasgow giants Celtic. After manager Tony Mowbray’s tenure was cut short, Ki has found himself at ends with Neil Lennon’s strategic and tactical philosophies as well as the subsequent lack of playing time . Rumors during the summer transfer window of a possible move to former FC Seoul manager Senol Gunes’ Trabzonspor could not have abated the general uneasiness about his playing situation. At the national level, this malaise has manifested as a series of irregular and insipid showings, often an unremarkable shadow of his performances during World Cup qualification and for FC Seoul. Cho’s reluctance to impose an ultimatum on the player via increased competition in midfield means that the national team continues to look effete in midfield play and inconsistent at set-pieces. A clear alternate stands out in the form of Jeju United’s Koo Ja-cheol who has had a wonderful season, leading at the top of the assists column, and leading his perennially underachieving club to the upper echelons of the K-League. Although some fears abounded that the player would not be able to lead the island team into footballing terra incognita, Koo has responded in kind by putting consistent, commanding performances in midfield. Given his youth and abilities, it remains a bit bewildering why the Jeju lynchpin has not had the chance to assert himself for the senior team.
    Given the issues exposed by Iran’s high-pressure, relentless approach — namely an over-reliance on an awkward formation and lack of positional depth — it seems reasonable that some new faces with talent be given an opportunity to prove themselves to the national team before the Asian Cup. With only the friendly with Japan remaining in October, Cho Kwang-rae has a last opportunity to test out potential players before the Asian Cup kicks off in January. While his insistence on youth players and commitment to streamline the generational shift in the senior team has been refreshing, the last two friendlies indicate that perhaps more substantive and thoughtful practices are needed in the player selection.
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    There were also several video clips associated with the korean article, which showed exactly how Ghotbi's system paralized Koreans,simulteniouse attack of DMs rushing and preventing the Korean defenders,not to distribute the balls,etc,etc........we all saw it...I could not find that for you.....but,I am sure others remember....


    And here is everbody's admiration of the game by TM,including yours...just for the reminder :
    http://www.persianfootball.com/forum...ad.php?t=89529

    There was no Lucky Goal.....there was a superior planning of Ghotbi that Got us the win !
    Last edited by zzgloo; 11-29-2010, 08:56 AM.

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      #17
      ^ dont want to derail this thread here, so I'll follow it here:

      http://www.persianfootball.com/forum...77#post1641077

      in fact I urge you to read the first post to clarify what I wrote then and what I say now. to me they're very similar.

      Originally posted by Doctor DOOM View Post
      First half:

      Our goal also is not the result of some highly masterful tactics, rather it is a true GIFT from the opponent for failing to pass stronger which fell to Pejman Nouri who had the presence of mind to attack the player. This only proved ghotbi is a very lucky coach … perhaps by becoming a “seyed” recently

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        #18
        Originally posted by Doctor DOOM View Post
        ^ dont want to derail this thread here, so I'll follow it here:

        http://www.persianfootball.com/forum...77#post1641077

        in fact I urge you to read the first post to clarify what I wrote then and what I say now. to me they're very similar.
        here is the copy of your post, # 7, in the South Korea vs IRAN thread :

        Doctor DOOM :
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        from what I read here (still havent been able to watch the 2nd half) it seems we took control of the game. is that it?

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        And what was your opinion of the Korean article ?..you forgot to mention.
        And what was your opinion of ever one els,on the game ?...you forgot that too.......

        Did every one here, and the Korean Article mention the Ghobi's winning plan ...or, The Lucky Goal scored by TM ?

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          #19
          follow here:
          http://www.persianfootball.com/forum...t=89529&page=5

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            #20
            Originally posted by ShirFarhad View Post
            Goalkeepers: Mehdi Rahmati, Shahab Gordan, Alireza Haghighi

            Defenders: Mohammad Hosseini, Khosro Heydari, Jalal Hosseini, Farshid Talebi, Hadi Aghili, Mohammad Nosrati, Hassan Ashjari, Hossein Mahani

            Midfielders: Javad Nekounam, Andranik Teymourian, Pejman Nouri, Masoud Shojaei, Mohammad Nouri, Ashkan Dejagah, Gholamreza Rezaei, Mohammad-Reza Khalatbari

            Strikers: Milad Meydavoudi, Karim Ansarifard, Mohammad Gholami, Arash Afshin

            Standby: Mohammad Mohammadi, Hanif Omranzadeh, Sattar Zare, Hamidreza Aliasgari, Sina Ashouri, Bakhtiar Rahmani, Mehrdad Oladi

            I would have included in Sheys Rezaei if he wasn't excluded from his team.
            Very nice, I believe Gholami and Afshin are good inclusions, like you. They have shown their quality.
            Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.

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              #21
              meydavoudi is out for the next 5 months it seems.
              so I think we have only the pick of ;
              oladi
              gholamin
              nowroozi (foolad)
              ansarifard
              afshin
              manouchehri (had a good run tlll the break in the games)

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