Dear Mod............

[Ali Chicago]

Thanks for your detective work Ali Jan keep it up. The pictures look very very similar, even for a 20 year gap the pictures appear to be of the same individual. The fact that ex-football heads are suddenly apart of the Tehran City Council is fishy in itself, i mean any well informed/intelligent person who understands how oppressive regimes work has know all along that the government has a direct hand in the welfare and operations of IPL clubs, but this is the closest thing to a smoking gun i have seen which may prove this long standing hypothesis correct. I hope to hear this interview you speak of as well. Ali jan do you have any new information on whether he is working toward obtaining the IFF head position?

I know bunch of people from the days I played football in Iran (Fardali Nia brothers, couple of lesser known guys Poor Janaki and many others). I heard it through them. Then I saw a poll at ipna.ir (which is the official sport related press of Iran) that asked for people to vote for the futer head of IFF. I saw that with my own eyes last week ( I checked to day and it isn't there today). In that poll Ajerlou was second or third. Now mind you, the other two people werent' well known people (like Parvin or even Mostafvai (former head of IFF) either, so it is not like ordinary people are going to vote for these people is very slim. I think they are trying to taste the water. Probably most of peopel who voted for him are just hezboolahi or Basijis. Without going into too much of poltiics, this is the exact method they used in order to elect Ahmadi Nezhad for presidency. They ran a very organzied campaign, and in the first round, Ahmadi Nezhad was lesser know and unconspicous. All of sudden under the rader, they used the whole bycotte by a lot of political groups outside Iran and vote rigging to show up in second place and eventually win the run off against Rafsanjani.

I am waiting for the link for the interview as well. As soon as I get it, I will post it.

[zzgloo]

This is the my last reply in this thread.
As I said, ZZ jan, I did not closed the thread forever. I said, It could be re-open after som discussion with other admins and most important Kamran jan. Now he had his input as well so please let it go. Keshesh nade dige. And dont worry, if you guys wish, I can close the other two as well before kamran do it himself.
Ey dade bidad
End of discussion.

OK, thank you , and I got the point.....I also will not add anything els.....
God bless you !!

[zzgloo]

Ali jaan, you know, you can, send a E.mail, with these three Photo attachements, to ISNA, and IRNA, and stuendent web site in Iran.But, do not comment as you have anthing to do with this site.

[Ali Chicago]

Ali jaan, you know, you can, send a E.mail, with these three Photo attachements, to ISNA, and IRNA, and stuendent web site in Iran.But, do not comment as you have anthing to do with this site.

I think you are too optimistic about the press freedom in Iran. Many of these news agnecies are being run by the same murders (lesser or more murderous). To many of them inside Iran the fact that the guy tortured or participated in fire squad is a badge of honor. To them killing the so called "non-muslim" the so called "Monafegheen" or "Communists" or "American Agents" is a badge of honor. Did you see how St. Mark reacted? How St. Mark reacted is very similar to many in power in Iran feel and act. As if this thread wasn't about someone who used toruture and participated in execution.

[Ali Chicago]

Radio Iran's portion about Halwayee (Ajerlou)

I got the following link from the adiminstrator of the Rahe tudeh site. Please go to the following URL;


http://www.rahetudeh.com/rahetude/in...9-09-2007.html


In the middle of the page there is this section about "hear this historic interview and you see they have a picuture of Halwayee (Ajerlou) who was later posted in that Italian paper.

At the end of that article there is a word in Farsi "Beshnavid" that is marked in Red. Click on that, after a few seconds you will hear a portion of a program broadcaseted on Radio Iran (which is beign broadcasted from Los Angeles). The clip is less than 4 minutes. You will see two ro three times the caller who seems to be a Pasdar in Ewin, mentions Halwayee (Ajerlou).

I cut and pasted a part that section that you need to click on so you have a reference.
م یکی از زندانیان توده ای دهه 60 در پیامی کوتاه به ما نوشته است:
"حاج مجتبی که شما عکسش را بالای سر کیانوری منتشر کرده اید، فامیلش "حلوائی" است و مانند حاج مهدی از لات و لوت های نظام آباد تهران بود که لاجوردی با خودش به زندان اوین آورده بود. صورت آن فرد در جمع شورای شهر تهران نیز واقعا شباهت بسیار به حاج مجتبی حلوائی دارد و مطمئن باشید که در آینده دیگران اطلاعات بیشتر در باره جا و مقام و موقعیت امروز او برایتان خواهند فرستاد. او یکی از جانیان زندان اوین بود که در قتل عام زندانیان سیاسی در سال 1367 مسئول اجرای اعدام ها در اوین بود. پیشتر شما در راه توده نوار مصاحبه یکی از پاسداران اوین را منتشر کرده بودید که حتما یکبار دیگر آن را منتشر کنید. آن پاسدار از قم رفته بود روی خط رادیو ایران در امریکا و در مصاحبه با قائم مقامی که گوینده این رادیو بود یکی از تاریخی ترین افشاگری ها را کرده بود که متاسفانه نه گذاشتند همه حرفش را بزند و نه از او سئوال کردند تا بیشتر صحبت کند. سر و ته آن مصاحبه را زود گره زدند زیرا سخن از تیرباران دریاردار افضلی و 9 فرمانده توده ای ارتش و کادرهای رابط آنها با حزب بود. بهر حال، او در آن نوار با صراحت می گوید که مجتبی حلوائی مستقیما و با شلیک چند تیر افضلی را در میدان تیرباران اوین کشته است. آن نوار خود باندازه کافی گویاست که حاج مجتبی کیست."
ما این نوار را یکبار دیگر و با استفاده از آرشیو راه توده پخش می کنیم و از همینجا نیز می توانید بشنوید!


I hope one day murders like him and many other who used toruture and abused human rigths of the people in our country brought to the court of law and under immunity, describes their crimes. Maybe this will cause once and for ever torture and inhuman behavior toward prisoners be banned in Iran.

According to the administrator of this site, they have asked the person who is in the picture to send them an email or contact them if he is not really former Mojtaba Halwayee, but no one contacted.

Question now is how to speard this news among the Iranian media or even United Nation Human Rights Commision or FIFA even. I am sure if this kind of news starts to get broadcasted in a large scale, Ajerlou's candidacy will be sheleved for sure (IRI is somewhat sensetive toward the image it want's to project to the outside world). What do you guys think/suggest? Remember we do this for our football, it is not a political pro/con thing.


P.S. Anyone knows who the guys in this site are? They seem to have an affiliation with Tudeh, but this is Tudeh Party's web site (just out of curiosity)?

[zzgloo]

I think you are too optimistic about the press freedom in Iran. Many of these news agnecies are being run by the same murders (lesser or more murderous). To many of them inside Iran the fact that the guy tortured or participated in fire squad is a badge of honor. To them killing the so called "non-muslim" the so called "Monafegheen" or "Communists" or "American Agents" is a badge of honor. Did you see how St. Mark reacted? How St. Mark reacted is very similar to many in power in Iran feel and act. As if this thread wasn't about someone who used toruture and participated in execution.

Ali jaan............Some different points I wanted to raise.....
1-I have seen, some prety poletical articles in " daftare tahkim vahdat" news letters,that one may be surprized how dare the would write such things.
2-This Ajorlu, according to your post,seems like to be your " bache mahal " ,and you may have played football with him in nezam-abad
3- By the way, I just remember,you once had asked me, where Tehran-javan was out of ?....we use to play in Farahabad,jaleh.and one more thing, i heard,IRI has put and tortured hossain fekri,because of his early affiliation with hezbe tudeh ! ( Do not tell this to st-mark )
4- This last week, I met and old friend who had come from toronto ,to visit...and he told me very interestings about toronto .....one of which was about ,new Iranian immigrants to Toronto !!!, he was telling me, Toronto has lately been flouded with hezbolahi people,and in last 10 years, they have built 17 masjids,that are exclusively for Iranians,...more over, the amont of iranians , hezbulahis,who have come and live in expensive houses,without haveing any jobs...while they send thier children to canadian schools.he said, there is a new generation of children of such iranians in Toronto.and they are so many !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ali Chicago]

Did anyone get to listen to the interview?
Listening to the tape was very hard for me. I do'nt know if anyone noticed or not, but if you recall, caller mentioned Halwayee allegedly said " En Al Mongafegheen Fee Darakal Afsel Safeleen men al naar". During my encounter with these bastards, I witnessed a couple of prisoners who came back from mock exectution and heard these words with their own ears. This "En Al Monafegheen...... " is what they were saying before the final execution in front of the fire squad/hanging. Mock execution was when they put you in front of the fire squad and even gave the commmand "Fire" but they shot next to you and stuff. These basterds were using mock execution at times to find out if you are affiliated to certain political group. Usually when a prisoner realizes he is getting executed, he/she shouts a slogan something "Long live ..... (whatever his/her party affilcation is)". Pasdars were using this trick to see if someone is a member or sampats of certain organization. For me hearing those words again was like a deja vu. Only someone who has lived in such a condition can feel the depth of emotions.

On a more positive note, amazing that we live in such a global era. isn't it? It is such a global world now. We can sit here in North America or Europe or whereever and hear about things (in details) that happend thousands of miles away in such details.

[Ali Chicago]

Ali jaan............Some different points I wanted to raise.....
1-I have seen, some prety poletical articles in " daftare tahkim vahdat" news letters,that one may be surprized how dare the would write such things.
2-This Ajorlu, according to your post,seems like to be your " bache mahal " ,and you may have played football with him in nezam-abad
3- By the way, I just remember,you once had asked me, where Tehran-javan was out of ?....we use to play in Farahabad,jaleh.and one more thing, i heard,IRI has put and tortured hossain fekri,because of his early affiliation with hezbe tudeh ! ( Do not tell this to st-mark )
4- This last week, I met and old friend who had come from toronto ,to visit...and he told me very interestings about toronto .....one of which was about ,new Iranian immigrants to Toronto !!!, he was telling me, Toronto has lately been flouded with hezbolahi people,and in last 10 years, they have built 17 masjids,that are exclusively for Iranians,...more over, the amont of iranians , hezbulahis,who have come and live in expensive houses,without haveing any jobs...while they send thier children to canadian schools.he said, there is a new generation of children of such iranians in Toronto.and they are so many !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bahram Jaan,

This regime has certain red lines. Ewin and toruture and execution, torutre and hanging of political prisoners during the 1981-1982 and in a larger scale 1988 execution of the political prisoners (who were inside jails btw), were never discusses. If you notice during the whole Khatemi era on the rise of his popularity, no one ever talked about any of that. This is where reformist, Hezbollahi, X, Y are all the same. When it comes to future of the regime "nezam", they are ready to make mends. Remember how our freind St Mark reacted to the this thread.

Thanks for the information about the new wave of Hezbollahis' in Toronto. I travel there few times of year for work and seeing my family, I check it out.

As for Nezam Abad, I used to go there when I practiced with Dayheem. One of my best freinds who we were like brothers also lived in Tehran Noo in East of Tehran. But otherwise, I was born and lived in West of Tehran (very close to Maydane Azadi (Shahyade Sabegh)). So no bacheh Mahale of this Jallad (thank you very much). I am sure there were Jallads like him in west of tehran too.

[Doctor DOOM]

ok. I've skipped this thread till now.
so .... where are we now?
a couple of sentences as summary would fill me in fine.

[Ali Chicago]

Basically this thread replaced my initial thread about Ajerlou. I strongly suggest you go through the pages. ST Mark posted something from a site called rahetudeh. I posted three picture of the Ajerlou now and Halwayee in the Ewin back in 1365-1366. I contacted the adminstrator the site from which St. Mark posted the pictures ( called Rahetudeh) and asked if they have information about Halwayee Ajerlou and he said they have been collecting info for a while. The administrator of that site gave me the link to a radio interview (a Pasdar from Iran called Radio Iran in Los Angeles).... . I asked people to suggest ways to publicize these information in a wider circle and no one (except Baharam) gave me any feedback.

[zzgloo]

Bahram Jaan,
This regime has certain red lines. Ewin and toruture and execution, torutre and hanging of political prisoners during the 1981-1982 and in a larger scale 1988 execution of the political prisoners (who were inside jails btw), were never discusses. If you notice during the whole Khatemi era on the rise of his popularity, no one ever talked about any of that. This is where reformist, Hezbollahi, X, Y are all the same. When it comes to future of the regime "nezam", they are ready to make mends. Remember how our freind St Mark reacted to the this thread.
Thanks for the information about the new wave of Hezbollahis' in Toronto. I travel there few times of year for work and seeing my family, I check it out.
As for Nezam Abad, I used to go there when I practiced with Dayheem. One of my best freinds who we were like brothers also lived in Tehran Noo in East of Tehran. But otherwise, I was born and lived in West of Tehran (very close to Maydane Azadi (Shahyade Sabegh)). So no bacheh Mahale of this Jallad (thank you very much). I am sure there were Jallads like him in west of tehran too.

I also like you,lived in the west, but kind of north west,off of TAJ,or now satar Khan................
You are very right,about reformist and the hezbulahis.....SARO PA YEK KARBAS....................or same " SH ".
I listened to the radio interview, Thanks !!!
Some other avenues to expose ,may be, Aljazeera.com/english............and
FIFA.COM................Youtube.com

[Ali Chicago]

The latest on Ajerloo's Saga

Sounds like this guy is going for the head of IFF job. I got this news from one of the farsi sites.


تلاشهاى آجورلو در اتحاديه فوتبا

سردار مصطفى آجورلو، رياست ورزش شهردارى تهران تلاشها و رايزن ىهاى خود را براى به دست آوردن پست رياست فدراسيون فوتبال آغاز کرده است.
وى روز گذشته در جله اتحاديه فوتبا در خصوص کانديداتورى خود با شرکت کنندگان به مشورت و رايزنى پرداخت.
آجورلو اميدوار است پس از پست* مديرعامل باشگاه پاس، رئيس فدراسيون فوتبال شود.

[Ali Chicago]

This is an article from Iran Varzeshi that talks about the candidate for IFF post. Note that two guys Mahsooli and Khoosh Chehreh (as the author of the article Mr. Javad Hoosini (is he the same Java Poor Hooseini?)) are the front runners and are the so-called Political candidates (Ahmadi Nezhad government support them). Mostafa Ajerloo (my buddy) and Mehdi Taaj are potential candidates from the other faction.

I know most of these guys aren't an angel, but I hope a torturer and a former employee in the notorious Ewin prison (Ajerloo) won't become the head of IFF. Imagine, he wins the election and all of a sudden, CIA or Mosad or Mojahedeen or another opposition group, discloses the pictures that I posted earlier or even more reliable information about Ajerloo's involvement in suppresion, execution and torture of political prisoenrs. What a mess it will be for Iranian football (who its IFF head is a former security personnel).

با اعلام زمان ثبت نام از كانديداهاى رياست فدراسيون فوتبال براى شركت در انتخابات ۲۳ مهر رايزنى هاى گروه هاى مختلف ورزشى بر سر معرفى گزينه هاى خود در اين عرصه بسيار جدى تر از قبل آغاز شده و هر روز نام هاى جديدى در اين رابطه شنيده مى شود اما تا پايان مهلت نام نويسى هيچ يك از اين گمانه زنى ها رنگ و بوى واقعيت به خود نمى گيرد.
در مقطع فعلى كانون هاى قدرت در تلاشند با اجماع روى يك گزينه فردى اصلح را روى كرسى داغ رياست قرار دهند، سازمان تربيت بدنى به عنوان نهاد اول تصميم گيرى هاى ورزشى موضع رسمى خود را بيان كرده و قاطعانه تأكيد داشته در اين عرصه گزينه خاصى نداريم و اميدواريم با برگزارى سالم انتخابات، فدراسيون فوتبال به ساحل آرامش برسد.
اين موضع گيرى باعث شد ساير اعضاى صاحب نظر در فوتبال اقدام به برپايى جلسات علنى و غير علنى كنند تا نسبت به ارزيابى گزينه هاى موجود بحث كنند و راهكارهاى لازم براى جمع آورى آرا براى گزينه خود را معين كنند، اما مهمترين نكته ماجرا به اين مساله بر مى گشت كه رييس آينده بايد داراى چه ملاك ها و معيارهايى باشد.
در اين بين كانون هاى قدرت بر سر دو راهى سختى قرار گرفتند كه گزينه مورد نظر يك فرد ورزشى باشد يا سياسى.
اين اختلاف نظر كه رييس بعدى سياسى باشد يا ورزشى سرآغازى بود براى تفكيك آرا. منابع آگاه در اين باره مى گويند: هيات هاى فوتبال كشور و نمايندگان وزارتخانه هاى حاضر در انتخابات معتقدند حضور مديرى صاحب سبك از زمره مديران سياسى باعث مى شود فوتبال ما داراى كرسى هاى قدرتمند در جامعه شود كه اين مساله به مراتب به موفقيت ورزش كمك خواهد كرد.آنها بدون ترديد روى يك گزينه سياسى ورزشى اجماع خواهند كرد كه تا حصول نتيجه در جلسات تخصصى نام اين فرد اعلام نمى شود.
اين دسته از اعضاى مجمع فدراسيون كه روز ۲۳ مهرماه درآكادمى فوتبال ساعت ۹ صبح نام فرد مورد نظر خود را روى كاغذ مى آورند به احتمال فراوان نام يك مديرسياسى كاربلد را قيد خواهند كرد كه شنيده مى شود اين مدير از رديف مديران اقتصادى كشور است كه با فراغ بال و علاقه ورزشى مى تواند به مدد فوتبال ايران بيايد.
با كنكاش در گمانه زنى هاى موجود به اين مساله مى رسيم كه گزينه اول اين گروه صادقى محصولى مشاور رييس جمهورى است اما عده اى از اعضاى اين گروه به شكل نامحسوس از عدم موافقت وى براى حضور در اين عرصه خبر مى دهند و دليل اين تصميم را مشغله كارى وى ذكر مى كنند. گزينه دوم كه گمان مى رود به عنوان نامزد مورد نظر هياتها و نمايندگان وزارتخانه ها مطرح شود محمد خوش چهره نماينده مردم تهران در مجلس شوراى اسلامى است. مسائلى كه اين روزها در محافل ورزشى شنيده مى شود اين است كه عضو كميسيون اقتصادى مجلس مى تواند به عنوان نفر اول همراه با تيمى قوى فدراسيون فوتبال را به مرز بالاى درآمدزايى سوق دهد.
منابع آگاه مى گويند محصولى و خوش چهره تاكنون در بين ساير مدعيان از اقبال بيشترى برخوردار بودند و به احتمال قوى يكى از اين دو نفر به عنوان گزينه ائتلاف هيات ها و نمايندگان وزارتخانه ها مطرح مى شود.
اما در گروه رقيب كه به نسبت گروه اول از راى كمترى برخوردار هستند اتفاق نظر بر حضور يك مدير ورزشى به همراه يك تيم كاملا ورزشى در فدراسيون فوتبال است. آنها كه بيشتر هماهنگى هاى خود را ازطريق اتحاديه فوتبال انجام مى دهند در شرايط فعلى در حال بررسى برنامه هاى گزينه هاى مد نظر هستند تا بتوانند در پايان اين جلسات يكى از نفرات خود را به عنوان رييس پيشنهادى مطرح كنند. در حال حاضر اين گروه روى دوگزينه به صورت جدى نظر دارد كه در همايش دوشنبه هفته آتى يكى از اين دو به صورت رسمى معرفى مى شود. مصطفى آجور لو و مهدى تاج دو مدير ورزشى مدنظر اتحاديه فوتبال هستند كه به همراه تيم هاى مورد تاييد اين گروه راهى ساختمان سئول شوند.
تنها نكته اى كه هم اكنون به شكل زمزمه در بين اعضاى اين گروه به گوش مى رسد چرخش ناگهانى بعضى از راى هاى اين جمع است. شنيده مى شود بعضى از مديران در جلسات غير علنى به شكل قاطعانه اطمينان ندادند كه راى آنها مختص به گزينه معرفى شده از سوى اتحاديه باشد ازاين رو ائتلاف اتحاديه دچار ترديد است كه آيا مى توان اميدوار بود كه گزينه مورد راى حايز اكثريت آرا شود يا خير؟در مجموع اين طور استنباط مى شود كه انسجام گروه نخست بر سر گزينه مورد نظر شان در عرصه رقابت تا به حال توانسته گوى سبقت را از ساير رقبا بربايد تا ديگر گروه ها براى رسيدن به اين مسند احساس نگرانى كنند.

[zzgloo]

There you go again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we all knew that,satisfying FIFA,for the independent selection of IFF president,will be another "KHAMEH SHAK BAZI ",by the regim....
And while, even, they are pushing for some stupid candidates who are both popet and incapeble, but also, ......they will not be a decision makers after all, any way ....................
how els, one can explain, selection of a new head coach for TM ( possibile Denizeli ), before selection of candidates that come in two weeks ?

[Ali Chicago]

Actually the guy (ajerlou) announced his candidacy. I really would like to make calls to Iranian newspapers outside country and maybe even send annonymous emails to the ones inside country adn give them the same information. Maybe someone is brave enough to print something. I would probably need to write something to FIFA too. I think this guy as soon as he sees the light will be scared and pulls himself out.

The last thing I want to see is the FIFA realizes the head of the IFF as a non NGO is a former torturer chamber man and participated personally in the execution of the policitcal prisoners. Anyone willing to help with the calls to the papers?