note: the way we've been exposed and penetrated again and again in this round, from this zone has many of us worried. since all this was against asia's B and C grade attackers. and somehow with the help of aghili and rahmati, we havent conceded as many goals as we shd have.
we KNOW for sure, australians, saudis, japanese, koreans, ... will not be as forgiving and incompetent in converting this many chances offered to them. So while we have 2 and half months of time, we'd better address this issue today and find a resolution for it. coz once the second round starts, not only we wont have time for trials and experiments, we my fall behind too soon due to defensive failures, to be able to catch up later !
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I dont like to see some "patch-up" attempt in posts that are crucial to TM's health and fate.
Like LB.
this post has been the most controversial and talked about post for a long time. Since we abandoned 3-5-2 and tried the 4 back system.
Now, I totally understand we dont have a great left back in Iran.
From what I have seen, we dont have a complete player for the post and all clubs try to make do with what they have and get the closest thing to a LB placed in their line ups.
But I think we all can make the distinction that a club has a limited pool of players to pick from, while TM has the whole country & beyond.
so what goes for the clubs shdnt go for TM.
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Now, who have been picked for the post in recent times? nosrati and zareh.
hardly ppl like asadi, aghili, sadeghi were given a fraction of chances these two got and they were replaced by someone else.
Does that mean these latter guys were so terrible?
NO. coz , first of all, I dont recall, such loose and haphazard defending from any of these guys that I see from our current choice, zareh.
so what is the reason for not seeing them there and seeing zareh instead?
I can only assume things, as I'm not in the camp.
one can say based on what we see everyday from the players. They express their worry and preferences in playing in a position and not in another post.
Nosrati, for example, has said it many times that he is uncomfortable as LB, and would rather play central defense.
we all know that is the absolute truth.
the nosrati who played as LB is a far inferior player who plays the central defense so well.
zareh, himself, plays in the midfield ( I believe it is the right , since I remember from branko days that he was a right midfield player for bargh ) and even recently, the game that brouhgt him back to TM, bargh-sepahan, he played and scored his goal(s) from the right midfield.
why isnt he saying what nosrati has said?
he certainly cant be thinking he can do justice to the post, after all these years of failures at LB.
we see him in every game and it is ( shd be ) apparent.
so is this desire to be in TM so strong that one is ready to flounder and fumble, but as long as he is in TM ?
I dont blame the player here, coz ANY player would want to be a part of his nat'l team.
the coach, however, shd know better and shd have the good of the TEAM in mind and nothing/noone else.
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I agree with those of us who say that extra pressure is put on poor zareh becoz our left midfield players dont track back and help in defense.
ok. as right as that may be, we still have a left defense zone that is extremely weak and exposed time and again in every game.
mere recognition of a part of the problem does NOT SOLVE it.
we can either put a left mid who DOES track back and help.
( WHO ?
- zandi cant run for more than 45 minutes and he hardly helps in defense .
- hajsafi is young and may be able to do that, but he hasnt been trusted yet.
- madanchi isnt such a defender either and hasnt even been called.
- niki is the same as madanchi and cant defend or help in defense.
so whom do we have ? )
OR, we can play someone who is GOOD IN DEFENDING, at least.
Zareh is NOT A DEFENDER. I hope everyone agrees here, otherwise the whole argument is moot.
we all shd recognize the guy is NOT. A. DEFENDER.
he doesnt play defender in his club even, for god's sake.
( if he's kept for any forward moves, then I'm afraid his passing forward has been failing him also. innumerable turn overs and loss of ball has dashed this argument)
so I'd say lets play someone who can at least DEFEND well.
and logic says , a DEFENDER , at least knows how to approach an attacker, what angles, what postures, .... the works.
a midfielder goes about all those in a DIFFERENT manner. that's why zareh keeps getting rounded and passed by.
yes, with a PURE DEFENDER, we may not get much service going forward .... but heck, with zareh we were NOT getting it anyway. so what's the difference anyway ?
but with a PURE DEFENDER, we may get a noticeable degree of DEFENDING done in that zone, which secures our goal and does not tax aghili ( I think we all agree aghili is over-worked with constant covering for zareh as zareh is unable to block his man. hence that stretches our central defense apart and creates a space between aghili & hosseini, which many have used and WILL USE EVEN MORE in the next round )
we have some defenders who actually play ( or have played on occasions ) in this post in their clubs.
why do we overlook these and want to drag a right midfielder to the left defense?
and continue to do so, while we clearly see this experiment has failed in its ( surprisingly ) numerous attempts ?
we KNOW for sure, australians, saudis, japanese, koreans, ... will not be as forgiving and incompetent in converting this many chances offered to them. So while we have 2 and half months of time, we'd better address this issue today and find a resolution for it. coz once the second round starts, not only we wont have time for trials and experiments, we my fall behind too soon due to defensive failures, to be able to catch up later !
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I dont like to see some "patch-up" attempt in posts that are crucial to TM's health and fate.
Like LB.
this post has been the most controversial and talked about post for a long time. Since we abandoned 3-5-2 and tried the 4 back system.
Now, I totally understand we dont have a great left back in Iran.
From what I have seen, we dont have a complete player for the post and all clubs try to make do with what they have and get the closest thing to a LB placed in their line ups.
But I think we all can make the distinction that a club has a limited pool of players to pick from, while TM has the whole country & beyond.
so what goes for the clubs shdnt go for TM.
----------------
Now, who have been picked for the post in recent times? nosrati and zareh.
hardly ppl like asadi, aghili, sadeghi were given a fraction of chances these two got and they were replaced by someone else.
Does that mean these latter guys were so terrible?
NO. coz , first of all, I dont recall, such loose and haphazard defending from any of these guys that I see from our current choice, zareh.
so what is the reason for not seeing them there and seeing zareh instead?
I can only assume things, as I'm not in the camp.
one can say based on what we see everyday from the players. They express their worry and preferences in playing in a position and not in another post.
Nosrati, for example, has said it many times that he is uncomfortable as LB, and would rather play central defense.
we all know that is the absolute truth.
the nosrati who played as LB is a far inferior player who plays the central defense so well.
zareh, himself, plays in the midfield ( I believe it is the right , since I remember from branko days that he was a right midfield player for bargh ) and even recently, the game that brouhgt him back to TM, bargh-sepahan, he played and scored his goal(s) from the right midfield.
why isnt he saying what nosrati has said?
he certainly cant be thinking he can do justice to the post, after all these years of failures at LB.
we see him in every game and it is ( shd be ) apparent.
so is this desire to be in TM so strong that one is ready to flounder and fumble, but as long as he is in TM ?
I dont blame the player here, coz ANY player would want to be a part of his nat'l team.
the coach, however, shd know better and shd have the good of the TEAM in mind and nothing/noone else.
------------------
I agree with those of us who say that extra pressure is put on poor zareh becoz our left midfield players dont track back and help in defense.
ok. as right as that may be, we still have a left defense zone that is extremely weak and exposed time and again in every game.
mere recognition of a part of the problem does NOT SOLVE it.
we can either put a left mid who DOES track back and help.
( WHO ?
- zandi cant run for more than 45 minutes and he hardly helps in defense .
- hajsafi is young and may be able to do that, but he hasnt been trusted yet.
- madanchi isnt such a defender either and hasnt even been called.
- niki is the same as madanchi and cant defend or help in defense.
so whom do we have ? )
OR, we can play someone who is GOOD IN DEFENDING, at least.
Zareh is NOT A DEFENDER. I hope everyone agrees here, otherwise the whole argument is moot.
we all shd recognize the guy is NOT. A. DEFENDER.
he doesnt play defender in his club even, for god's sake.
( if he's kept for any forward moves, then I'm afraid his passing forward has been failing him also. innumerable turn overs and loss of ball has dashed this argument)
so I'd say lets play someone who can at least DEFEND well.
and logic says , a DEFENDER , at least knows how to approach an attacker, what angles, what postures, .... the works.
a midfielder goes about all those in a DIFFERENT manner. that's why zareh keeps getting rounded and passed by.
yes, with a PURE DEFENDER, we may not get much service going forward .... but heck, with zareh we were NOT getting it anyway. so what's the difference anyway ?
but with a PURE DEFENDER, we may get a noticeable degree of DEFENDING done in that zone, which secures our goal and does not tax aghili ( I think we all agree aghili is over-worked with constant covering for zareh as zareh is unable to block his man. hence that stretches our central defense apart and creates a space between aghili & hosseini, which many have used and WILL USE EVEN MORE in the next round )
we have some defenders who actually play ( or have played on occasions ) in this post in their clubs.
why do we overlook these and want to drag a right midfielder to the left defense?
and continue to do so, while we clearly see this experiment has failed in its ( surprisingly ) numerous attempts ?
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