Branko Bashing will not solve all our problems.

[zzgloo]

Ok, may be he played ali daie too much.
may be he was conservative at times.
may be , may be, may be ........
But what difference some other player selection would have made /
.....Would other golie chosen had been mistake free ?
.....would playing khatibi or enayati made big difference ?
..........
What are we going to do,with lower experince /
what are we going to do with lack of intencity /
What are we going to do with our lower class league competition /
....................
All the world odds makers had us beaten by Mexico and portugal...and that was what happened.....
May be a better coach would have brought us a tie,and a loss...but not two wins against mexico and portugal.....
lets not fool ourseleves and blame it all on Branko, as we were supposed to have won all our games and only he was the problem....
If we do that, we are going the wrong way......
.............
He was an assistant coach,and cheap price for our IFF, and he did his best, and he deserved the money he made from us.......
...............
The hard truth that many of us do not want to believe is that....
Branko was only 10% of the problems, not 90 %.......

[Dr.shark]

Ok, may be he played ali daie too much.
may be he was conservative at times.
may be , may be, may be ........
But what difference some other player selection would have made /
.....Would other golie chosen had been mistake free ?
.....would playing khatibi or enayati made big difference ?
..........
What are we going to do,with lower experince /
what are we going to do with lack of intencity /
What are we going to do with our lower class league competition /
....................
All the world odds makers had us beaten by Mexico and portugal...and that was what happened.....
May be a better coach would have brought us a tie,and a loss...but not two wins against mexico and portugal.....
lets not fool ourseleves and blame it all on Branko, as we were supposed to have won all our games and only he was the problem....
If we do that, we are going the wrong way......
.............
He was an assistant coach,and cheap price for our IFF, and he did his best, and he deserved the money he made from us.......
...............
The hard truth that many of us do not want to believe is that....
Branko was only 10% of the problems, not 90 %.......

man you just don't get it do you what is it with you and fuc*ing branko what is he paying you money ro some thing????
why do you try so hard to kiss his a$$?????
has he not put you and your country to shame????
what is it with you????
fuc*ing branko was and is all the problem he picked the players if the players are not good if the players are not fit if the players can't run then why the hell did he pick them are you telling me that we do not have any players in iran or out of iran that can run for 90min??
if we don't then we should not play all.
If we do have players then why did he not pick them?????
the problem starts with branko he picked his players.
branko gets to say who plays in the game why did he not play kia,karimi,zande,hashemean at the same time????
is that not what he did against all the teams that we have played untill now???
does he not say the europian irane players are this best????
why does he play daie 90+ when daie is walking the whole time?????
what is this deffence shit that he keeps putting us on?????
these are the things that stop us from winning.
why does merzapoor play every game when we see that he can never get better?????
do you not see that our players are getting in to fights because of this fuc*ing a$$ hole ??????
so we must blame fuc*ing branko learn from the k.s.a. they don't kiss the a$$ of any coach why do you want us to go around and kiss fuc*ing branko's a$$???????

[zzgloo]

man you just don't get it do you what is it with you and fuc*ing branko what is he paying you money ro some thing????
why do you try so hard to kiss his a$$?????
has he not put you and your country to shame????
what is it with you????
fuc*ing branko was and is all the problem he picked the players if the players are not good if the players are not fit if the players can't run then why the hell did he pick them are you telling me that we do not have any players in iran or out of iran that can run for 90min??
if we don't then we should not play all.
If we do have players then why did he not pick them?????
the problem starts with branko he picked his players.
branko gets to say who plays in the game why did he not play kia,karimi,zande,hashemean at the same time????
is that not what he did against all the teams that we have played untill now???
does he not say the europian irane players are this best????
why does he play daie 90+ when daie is walking the whole time?????
what is this deffence shit that he keeps putting us on?????
these are the things that stop us from winning.
why does merzapoor play every game when we see that he can never get better?????
do you not see that our players are getting in to fights because of this fuc*ing a$$ hole ??????
so we must blame fuc*ing branko learn from the k.s.a. they don't kiss the a$$ of any coach why do you want us to go around and kiss fuc*ing branko's a$$???????

I hope , all other members here see and read this post of yours ,and compaire it with mine.... and judg for themseleves...............

[Arashi_Washi]

man you just don't get it do you what is it with you and fuc*ing branko what is he paying you money ro some thing????
why do you try so hard to kiss his a$$?????
has he not put you and your country to shame????
what is it with you????
fuc*ing branko was and is all the problem he picked the players if the players are not good if the players are not fit if the players can't run then why the hell did he pick them are you telling me that we do not have any players in iran or out of iran that can run for 90min??
if we don't then we should not play all.
If we do have players then why did he not pick them?????
the problem starts with branko he picked his players.
branko gets to say who plays in the game why did he not play kia,karimi,zande,hashemean at the same time????
is that not what he did against all the teams that we have played untill now???
does he not say the europian irane players are this best????
why does he play daie 90+ when daie is walking the whole time?????
what is this deffence shit that he keeps putting us on?????
these are the things that stop us from winning.
why does merzapoor play every game when we see that he can never get better?????
do you not see that our players are getting in to fights because of this fuc*ing a$$ hole ??????
so we must blame fuc*ing branko learn from the k.s.a. they don't kiss the a$$ of any coach why do you want us to go around and kiss fuc*ing branko's a$$???????

Wow, This post deserves not only 5 Warnings but 2 bans too

[Dr.shark]

Wow, This post deserves not only 5 Warnings but 2 bans too

why because I tell the trueth?
or is it because I stand up for Iran and put the blame right on the fuc*ing man that made us lose 2 games in the world cup stated all kinds of fights between our players????
branko is a fuc*ing a$$ hole and he him self knows it now the whole world also knows it but still some people go around and act like he is GOD's gift to us Irane people. if he had been coaching any other team other then Iran he would not have lasted so long and he would not have people standing up for him no matter how much he cost them.

[Doctor DOOM]

Zz jan,

- the first 3 lines are HUGE under-statements which do not reflect the proportion of errors committed by branko.


- yes, we could have extracted better games out of a bench , if we had trusted them against some of those piss-poor friendly opponents we chose, and if we hadn’t over-relied on “names” .
that would mean , even when x or y comes off the bench, they would have, at least, gained some experience and int’l exposure.

Something that was beyond branko’s intellect !


- lack of intensity?
Well …. Good morning to you too.
Remember all those threads on “lack of competition” and “complacency” set in the team by branko’s faulty methods ?

Some of us forsaw this future when we rue this very issue.


- class of league?
Explain what was the difference between the leagues of many under-dogs who showed good games and didn’t adopt such a spineless system ?
Angola has only ONE player in portugal’s top league ( a league that by itself is nowhere near bundesliga or serie A or EPL )
And many other examples.

It’s how a good coach extracts the best possible game out of his players and team.


- odd makers had Ghana lose to czek by huge margin too.
You want to follow “numbers” or reality ?
Same with Senegal – france, as well as korea-italy, as well as Nigeria-spain, as well as Cameroon-argentina, and …… plenty of examples to make reliance on “numbers” a wasted and useless task.

- yes, we have ppl like dadkan to blame mainly for this, as he, even in the face of all branko’s visible short comings and failures, didn’t budge and obstinately persisted with this inferior and cheap coach !


I doubt you watched the mexico game, otherwise you wouldn’t have said many of the above.
That game was ours for the taking ( or at least get a draw out of ) if we played our usual game.
If branko hadn’t insisted on denying the team physical trainer, and psychologist, and some of those rejected friendlies , and had better sense in confronting big teams in the run up, and ……. And many more issues that are being swept under the carpet.


Yes, a long term plan is to prepare our infrastructure for better football.
But in short term ( restricted to the appearance at the WC ) , we could have done far far better than what we got !


bottomline :
yes, I agree bashing this idiot is not going to help us .... AT THIS POINT.

as usual, we wait for the disease to do its damage, only then we suddenly become aware of the problem !!
( the old "nooshdaroo ....." )

all we can do right now is to learn from these mistakes and make sure they are not repeated.
which means by dissecting the reasons for this failure, we must learn that every coach has his own limitations.
just as many of us said in the run up: one teacher may be good for elementary school, the other for middle school, and the next, for university.
you just cannot expect the elementary one to teach you anything for university entrance exam.
exactly what happened with branko and Iran.

we must learn that our officials shd pay heed to majority of experts and professionals ... and to some degree, the incredible number of fans who were proven right.

we must learn we shd be more aware in terms of recognizing signs and alarm bells ... way before the damage is done.

we must learn to be more realistic and less "taarofi" with changing coaches who have run out of ideas and staem, even if they had helped us before.

we must learn .....
many things that I'm just too tired and angry to go over.

but most of all, we must learn not to lie and accept reality.

and we must always keep in mind, the TEAM MELLI is far more important than petty personal preferrences and likes and individuals. ( as some ppl are doing , even now ! )

[Dr.shark]

Zz jan,

- the first 3 lines are HUGE under-statements which do not reflect the proportion of errors committed by branko.


- yes, we could have extracted better games out of a bench , if we had trusted and dadkan long term plan is to prepare our infrastructure for better football.
But in short term ( restricted to the appearance at the WC ) , we could have done far far better than what we got !


bottomline :
yes, I agree bashing this idiot is not going to help us .... AT THIS POINT.

as usual, we wait for the disease to do its damage, only then we suddenly become aware of the problem !!
( the old "nooshdaroo ....." )

all we can do right now is to learn from these mistakes and make sure they are not repeated.
which means by dissecting the reasons for this failure, we must learn that every coach has his own limitations.
just as many of us said in the run up: one teacher may be good for elementary school, the other for middle school, and the next, for university.
you just cannot expect the elementary one to teach you anything for university entrance exam.
exactly what happened with branko and Iran.

we must learn that our officials shd pay heed to majority of experts and professionals ... and to some degree, the incredible number of fans who were proven right.

we must learn we shd be more aware in terms of recognizing signs and alarm bells ... way before the damage is done.

we must learn to be more realistic and less "taarofi" with changing coaches who have run out of ideas and staem, even if they had helped us before.

we must learn .....
many things that I'm just too tired and angry to go over.

but most of all, we must learn not to lie and accept reality.

and we must always keep in mind, the TEAM MELLI is far more important than petty personal preferrences and likes and individuals. ( as some ppl are doing , even now ! )

Doctor doom jaan it is always nice to see you stand up for TM but I must say us bashing Fuc*ing branko does help with the anger that is inside some of us who knew this was going to happen and yet could do nothing to stop it from happening so I do not think we should stop putting Fuc*ing branko down yet this should go on until next world cup so that any new coach that comes along should know that we are not taking shit any more from loser coaches.

[Martin-Reza]

man you just don't get it do you what is it with you and fuc*ing branko what is he paying you money ro some thing????
why do you try so hard to kiss his a$$?????
has he not put you and your country to shame????
what is it with you????
fuc*ing branko was and is all the problem he picked the players if the players are not good if the players are not fit if the players can't run then why the hell did he pick them are you telling me that we do not have any players in iran or out of iran that can run for 90min??
if we don't then we should not play all.
If we do have players then why did he not pick them?????
the problem starts with branko he picked his players.
branko gets to say who plays in the game why did he not play kia,karimi,zande,hashemean at the same time????
is that not what he did against all the teams that we have played untill now???
does he not say the europian irane players are this best????
why does he play daie 90+ when daie is walking the whole time?????
what is this deffence shit that he keeps putting us on?????
these are the things that stop us from winning.
why does merzapoor play every game when we see that he can never get better?????
do you not see that our players are getting in to fights because of this fuc*ing a$$ hole ??????
so we must blame fuc*ing branko learn from the k.s.a. they don't kiss the a$$ of any coach why do you want us to go around and kiss fuc*ing branko's a$$???????

Just ridiculous. For how long can you go on fooling yourself by finding ONE scapegoat as excuse for everything? It's the same story for a decade now and some never learn.

Not surprisingly the tone by people who always seek such easy solution is often the same.

[Dr.shark]

Just ridiculous. For how long can you go on fooling yourself by finding ONE scapegoat as excuse for everything? It's the same story for a decade now and some never learn.

Not surprisingly the tone by people who always seek such easy solution is often the same.

and yet the tone of those that like you support loser coaches like branko and close your eyes to evrey thing wrong that he does and agree with all the blame that he puts on TM is alway the same. ridiculous is Fuc*ing branko ridiculous is dadkan and ridiculous is I.F.F. and I find it funny how long you Marten Reza can go on supporting losers like Fuc*ing branko and saying people like me would not learn? I was right when I said it long ago that we wer going to lose all our games it happened so far. I was right when I said fuc*ing branko would blame our players when we lost and that happened. So what did I not learn? did I not learn how to kiss Fuc*king branko's a$$???? is that what I should be learning????? do you think for one secound I would agree with Fuc*ing branko on any thing that would come out of his stupid mouth??? I am tooo smart for the likes of Fuc*ing branko and I am not finding a scape goate as you put it Fuc*ing branko is why we are out of the world cup. I Dr.Shark did not pick the players I Dr.Shark did not make the subs in the games I Dr.Shark did not stand behind those players and say we are fine and on top. It was your Fuc*king Branko that did so and now it is time for all of us that said he Fuc*king Branko was worng to stand up and point it out. in case you don't know most of the people of Iran in side and out side of Iran think like me so you should learnd a thing or two before you start to talk. do not think just bercause you work on a site that you are so power full we had to take bullshit from this fuc*king branko for 5 years and people like yuou came to his support left right and center but now it is our turn.

[zzgloo]

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DD jan....They realy are not under statement........
how would you know,that had we not played defensively against Portugal,we would have lost even with bigger margin ?.....I know, I know, you may say,lets fight like a man to the end...but,that is his choice,and that was the coach our IFF chose.....
What other choices did we have when mexicans on the secound half shot downed our right side ?......still, it was possible we could have drown....
TM played much better than the TM in 98.........
But, ..........I want you to remmember....as mehran Mokala coded " Asghar sharafi ".....""our football is lower than our fans """ ................
The Africans have far more competetive leagues than we do.....and are far more physical ..............
Do you say.....bringing mobali would have made a difference?
do you say....our football deserved to beat portugal and mexico ?
........................
Did you see the game between togo and sweitzerland ?........the togo was not dominated, they just did not know how to finish....they just did not know how to shoot stright.....they just did not pass intelegently and did not know how to take advantage of uppertunities..........and it was not thier coach's mistake.....
Branko could have been changed with a better coach, as saudis and south koreans did....due to more expectations from thier football federations....but......Even mocala would not have us beating Portugal....and would not have been able to solve our left side, nor change our luck.....
All I am saying,is although branko was not ideal,yet,we have far more important issues.....and we would be fooling ourseleves if we are to believe otherwise........
......................................
dear Dr.shark.....
My friend...you are just little out of control..watch you language...as you would make others not to pay attention to any legitimate point you might possibly make.........The only point worth noteing you had was that ,we need to remmember and keep pushing for a better coach next time...which I agree 100%...........

[Ali Chicago]

DD and Dr Shark Jaan let's listen to ZZ's point rather than finding an escape goat

I think ZZ has a good point. Branko was part of the problem. I myself had several posting criticizing him, but if we think by taking him off the helm everything will be ok, it is a dream. I think this was the gist of ZZ's post (Branko was not the cause, let's change the system the produces like of Branko).
I started a new thread and there is an article from Iran's verzashi there, I suggest you both read that.
I wasnt' a Branko's fan and it is not about defending him, there is a danger that we focus on Branko only and focusing on symptom and not the root cause. I think this is what ZZ and Martin and most of the guys who supported Branko trying to tell us.
I don't have an illusion that ZZ, Martin, Mansoor, Yashar didn't see the problems we saw with Branko, so it is not like these guys are Branko's agent or anything.
They thought he was at the helm, so let's support him, which maybe will put them in a tough situation (with their credibility these days) for a while now. Having said that, I think ZZ and Martin have a very good point about not just focusing and attributing the whole problem to Branko.
I am sure you read Mansoor's post about the situation in the camp. With that atmosphere, if it was Guss Hedding or Macala or I don't care God, still would have resulted to this kind of performance. God in my youth (sh****ty) program in IL there is a better descipline and team spirit from what Mansoor portrayed. Who needs to create an atmosphere of team work, who needs to set the standards? IFF.
I love Karimi, but no player should put his nose and meddle in the coach's work. I don't blame Karimi (although question his judgement), I blame IFF and Dadkan personally to allow these atmosphere (Bazicon sulury).
If Karimi did that kind of stuff as alleged, it was wrong, but main blame still goes to IFF and Branko to not having the spine to stand up against this. Or even create a Bazicon sulury allegedly with Ali Dai in the first place, so now Ali Karimi trying to repleace him or criticizing it. If Karimi didn't like what was going on, he must have said , I love Iran but I won't play under this situation for such and such a reason. But coming to the camp and trying to undermine the coach, will result in disastar.
Sorry for the segway, the point isnt' to talk about Karimi, it is about the atmosphere and system that right now exist in the IFF which allows medicrity and unless these conditions remedied, our soccer will be pretty much the same (underperfomed the way it was in this world cup).
Heck, we may even get lucky and have a Greece like MIRACLE in UEFA 2004 but that would be it. Just a miracle, stroke of luck unless we fix things from the foundations.
ZZ, Martin , Mansoor, if I may suggest (sorry don't mean to tell you guys what to do or anything), there is a huge amount of anger against Branko (mostly right or wrong) at present, so I suggest when you post, you take that into consideration. You and most of the folks who supported Branko sound like a very reasonable, knowledgable folks and there is a need for people like you to be able to influence the less experience and emotional crowd. So, If I suggest, please state your opinion without even mentioning Branko, cause there is a sensitivity against him right now. It is not justified maybe totally. But the goal here is not to do justice to Branko (he is gone and got paid his salary), it is about hoping to maybe improve the situation in Iranian soccer by educating ourselves and other fans and cultivation ideas and searching for solutions.
Ali

[Doctor DOOM]

ali jan,
it is one thing to say branko isnt good enough but beleive ( as yashar does ) that he is the best we can get and we'd better keep shut and support.

it is another thing to twist reality and actually suggest he has done well and has outsmarted this and that, and his selection was the best and his tactics are this , and his system is that ... you know.
you must have read enough of such posts.
basically trying desperately to paint a picture where branko is bereft of any mistakes and faults !


the first group, while playing down Iran's pull and potential , are one thing.
but to hear stuff like when in reality was a miserable trend , clear as daylight, witnessed in the past 2 years , and still deny this reality .... it's just a bit too hillarious and absurd.


defending a coach who knowingly and adamantly refused to include a physical trainer is absurd.
defending a coach who refused to include a psychologist in his staff, when he was unable to do anything in this dept. is foolish.
defending a coach who was content with very inferior and useless supporting staff , when he knows he's going to war against the best of the world, is idiotic.
defending a coach who despite reality showing otherwise, insisted on the wrong ideals , ... just to be laj baaz and obstinate, is stupid.
defending .....





yes, I, also, hold dadkan as the most responsible party to this fiasco, for persisting so obstinately on the wrong choices and wrong issues for so long , despite repeated warnings from experts, professionals, coaches, ..... !

branko, just like MK, was a very small coach , very much limited in talent and ideas.
he did what he could ... and ran out of steam , a long time ago.

if he wanted to remain and get the final glory, by being a coach who was represented in the WC, we cannot blame him.

we must blame thos eppl who despite numerous signs and warnings, still backed this incapable, incompetent , small-time coach.

dadkan ought to be held responsible.

===============

yes, we can name many other factors .... mostly general , which are related to this failure.

such as lack of infrastructure, lack of professionalism, lack of ... .

but at least, by talking and discussing the matter of coaching and how we failed in this issue, we have a chance to learn from this mistake , and next time not be content with bread crumbs and pathetic numbers.

maybe next time, we can be more progressive and demand continuous improvement.
maybe next time, our values will be different from this time's wrong notions and ideals of "hospitality and exaggerated sense of loyalty" !!

[yashar_fasihnia]

Doctor doom jan, are u telling me we had BETTER OPTIONS than branko??

when was this that i wasnt informed about??
if ur talking about the likes of macala, i dont think they are any better than branko. they are more or less of the same class of branko.

if ur talking about arie haan, he came too late, and he doesnt seem to have a good knowledge of soccer, infact, i think he is worse than branko. however, there is no denial that arie haan has a strong personality and "alaki zire bar nemire". again, i would also like to remind u that he arrived too late to replace and get used to a completely new environemtn, life style, media, players, and all those stuff.

who else? denizli? the guy was so selfish that he left pas during the most important period of the club, when they were about to snatch the IPL trophy from esteghlal. WOW! how responsible this coach is! imagine the players learning this from the coach, karimi walks off one day, rezai the next! amazing!
and i guess he too played defensively IN IRAN and CONCEDED 2 GOALS in the LAST 15 MINUTES against AL AIN! but then agian, its only branko who is a so called "wimp" because he "decided to play defensively" (ridiculous! he didnt play defensively, the players were tired!) and lost to mexico in the last 15 minutes!

so anyone else left that i missed out???
and plz, dont even start with iranian coaches!
Dr Z. who is famous all over iran for being conservative and defense minded or like u say "wimp" yet u(was it u or someone else, cant really remember, if im mistaking this part, my appologies in advance) opted for him to replace branko! plz, dont temme saipa scored many goals this IPL, so he proved everybody wrong because that was only for a few weeks, then again, saipa went back to its normal lack of goal games!

and who else? majid jalali? he makes good analysis of games, but when he becomes the coach of a club, u dont see any significant difference in the team!

Anyone else left? hejazi? maeilli kohan? pur heydari? talebi? worse of all, SHAROKHI???

hmm,,, nice options we got!
now plz say branko WASNT our best option!

[Doctor DOOM]

Hahahaha .
“why weren’t you informed?”
hahahaha

good one.
I’ll give you a typical branko answer , since you like him so much:
“next time, I’ll be sure to tell all applicants to send their applications and requests not to IFF , but to yashar fasihnia at #1, dubai street, dubai.”

I know it is hard to accept facts that don’t match with what you want to believe.
I have seen this trend in many branko supporters and die hard fans … as they emulate their idol.
But seriously, there have been countless occasions where the coaches themselves have said it, and some have even come to Iran for the matter.
Yet you deny.

Hehehehe

So be it .
Whatever that gets you through the day, my friend. Whatever !

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2-other coaches:

aari haan is worse than branko?
This is even more ridiculous and laughable!
The very same aari haan with a bunch of inferior players defeated branko with a bunch of highly talented players.

Secondly, it is rather tragic that some of you still defend branko technically.
I’d suggest before you embarrass yourselves even more, stop this.

Hell, even if we had MK, we’d have done better.
MK’s fault was , he didn’t have any variations in his plans and was one-dimensional.
Well, good morning.
So was branko the moron from croatia.
Once the opponents nullified his original tactics, he was stuck like a donkey in mud !

But MK has the upper hand, in arranging & playing the team to its strength : attacking football, which is our nature.
Branko the moronic wimp, didn’t even do that !!

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The saddest and most tragic part is some of us show the tendency of being content with just about any crap that exists !
No hunger.
No desire to improve or betterment.
No will to exercise some control over our lives.

We agree with anything and everything … no matter how many times it’s proven not to be right.
No wonder these mullahs have remained in power for so long !

Becoz we are too lazy, and have no will to demand betterment !
So much that we look like a bunch of “too sari khor”s , who even the dregs of the outside world like branko, treat us like crap .
And some of us not only take this crap, but actually defend it !!

A mate of mine said: you get what you deserve.
It’s true.

we got this moron, becoz many of us didn’t have the guts to demand progress, and were content with just about any sh*t thrown in front of us !

[Amirza]

I am with Dr. Shark on this one.
Yes we all know about the fundamental problems in Iran - yes we know our most undesirable and least educated are making the most important decesions........ but we are talking about Football here - a sport in which a couple of good players can make up for a lot !!!

To me Branko is a phenomen - just like Ahmadinejad !! these are guys who are placed in a position they do not belong - because of circumstances - because they were there at the right place the right time. Now that we went to the tourney - with a remote controled puppet coach whose only qualification was that he was not Iranian !!! and have lost everything !! can't we even BAsh the idiot ? We know there are those who deserve far more bashing - but this guy is the idiot who let them get away with making all the decesions from the dark !!! this is the idiot who did not speak once to reveal the truth of what is going on behind the scenes. I call him an idiot - but even he is not stupid enough to use Daei in 4 straight friendlies for full 90 minutes - what was he testing ???

At the time when we need to release our frustration - please don't take Branco from us !!! and in good time we will get to Dadkan and the rest of the baboons calling the shots in our Football - if we can realy find them !!!