What Karimi Told Shojai Before The Second Half

[smanhoobi]

Of course in Angola Game.

I dont know you guys. I watched T3. And they showed the part before the second half.

As the team came out of the recess, Karimi was talking to Shojai. Ofcourse, what I say is JUST a guess and nothing else based on reading the body motions and lips. I was wondering if you guys saw it and what you think he was saying to him. here is my guess:

Karimi: Toopo vardar dirible bezan boro jelo.
Shojai: Een beh man gofteh een karo nakon akheh
Karimi: Oono velesh kon

Again, this is just based on a guess. I wish we had a lips reading expert. But, if you can watch the part again, just tell me what you think the conversation was.

I posted this in our forum and some tend to agree. I was wondering if you guys have it recorded and can watch it and tell me what you think.

Just, put your Karimi sympathy aside. Lets see whether there is an agreement, then defend him for it to death. I dont care. At least, THIS ONE is not hearsay. Its something we can figure out with a little attention.

[Amin_]

Does anyone have that part??

Please put it up then...

Thanx

[AliOlia]

no1 has it?

[MoJo23]

Damn, i just checked but unfortunately i did not tape that part.

Smanhoobi Jan, if you have that part. Can you please put it up. Thanks in advance.

[smanhoobi]

Guys.

I have it on vcr. Have not hooked up my video capture card yet.

Lets see if anyone has it handy. If not, I ll try to capture it.

But, I swear to god, looks like that is what was going on.A few who could look at it again, says the same. Thats why I wanted to confirm with more.

Lets wait a couple of days. If nothing, I will try to do it.

Thanks

[faraz]

hmm...I will take a look at the Iran game again - so this is when they're walking out to play the 2nd half of Iran vs Angola?

[smanhoobi]

yes, faraz jaan.

If you have tapesh version, its right before they enter the pitch.

[50Toman]

Anyone?

[Haf3z]

I actually saw it on Swedish television Soheil jaan. I have downloaded the game from PFDC too, but I haven't checked if that part is included in the PFDC files. Anyhow I noticed exactly the same thing. To me it seemed like Karimi was trying to give Shojaei some advice about how to advance on the opponents midfield without losing the ball while Shojaei was a bit sceptical about the ideas. I'm not sure though, I might be wrong.

[smanhoobi]

What I am interested to know though, is not whether Karimi gave some "advice". Its very customery for older players to give advices to younger ones. Nothing wrong with that.

What I am interested in is to know whether Karimi directed Shojai to something against coaches desire by telling him to ignore it. Thats what is I want to know.

[ehsanjd]

Actually, I think Karimi told him the opposite -- not to dribble too much and to pass more instead. The problem was that Shojaei simply wasn't trained enough to execute a good passing game (it took Karimi himself months to learn it properly at Bayern).

You can see this by the way Shojaei played in that game: whenever he got the ball he would (rather clumsily) try to pass it to someone upfront instead of moving up with it himself and show off some of his dribbling skills.

[smanhoobi]

Actually, I think Karimi told him the opposite -- not to dribble too much and to pass more instead. The problem was that Shojaei simply wasn't trained enough to execute a good passing game (it took Karimi himself months to learn it properly at Bayern).
You can see this by the way Shojaei played in that game: whenever he got the ball he would (rather clumsily) try to pass it to someone upfront instead of moving up with it himself and show off some of his dribbling skills.

You see. I saw it exactly the opposite. Meaning that , what I said was exactly what the conversation was. BUT shojai eventually sticked to what Branko told him to do.

It was obvious that Shojai was trying to pass more than dribble.

Well, looks like I have to provide the clip somehow. That way, we have more people watching and we can get to the bottom of this.

DONT look at what Shojai did during the game. Just focus on the conversation.

Hopefully, this weekend.

[perspolees]

You see. I saw it exactly the opposite. Meaning that , what I said was exactly what the conversation was. BUT shojai eventually sticked to what Branko told him to do.
It was obvious that Shojai was trying to pass more than dribble.
Well, looks like I have to provide the clip somehow. That way, we have more people watching and we can get to the bottom of this.
DONT look at what Shojai did during the game. Just focus on the conversation.
Hopefully, this weekend.

easier thing would be just read what he said!!
he said that karimi was giving him support that he could if he wanted to dribble and that he does have the ability to do so...this is what he answered when he was asked directly about the matter...

karimi and what he did is getting out of control, he did not do anything that big and disruptive by measures of this world cup or any professional player... these are cheap acts to hide the real defects of iranian football! did we even have this much talk when rezaee beat the shit out of badavi!!? or all of a sudden disciplin hog came out of the clown called Branko!? what a joke he is!

[smanhoobi]

Whether he was a "clawn" or not, he was still the head coach of that team. His words and desires and vision MUST be applied by the players.

You guys are all professionals. I wonder what would YOU do if you had an employee who would not give a shit to your desires that YOU see fit.

In that incident, Karimi is clearly directing Shojai against Branko's will. There is no question in my mind about that.

Defending such a player or such an act will not be good for our football. You are basically defending what we fought against for few years now.

Again, it does not matter what Branko was. He was still the responsible party for those games. And as soon as Magath knows this, Karimi's time is over in Bayern. Cause professional football, a professional coach would never disregard such an attitude.

[perspolees]

Whether he was a "clawn" or not, he was still the head coach of that team. His words and desires and vision MUST be applied by the players.
You guys are all professionals. I wonder what would YOU do if you had an employee who would not give a shit to your desires that YOU see fit.
In that incident, Karimi is clearly directing Shojai against Branko's will. There is no question in my mind about that.
Defending such a player or such an act will not be good for our football. You are basically defending what we fought against for few years now.
Again, it does not matter what Branko was. He was still the responsible party for those games. And as soon as Magath knows this, Karimi's time is over in Bayern. Cause professional football, a professional coach would never disregard such an attitude.

If I show that an employee could push me around, if I do not hold reasonable rules, If I say that no matter who does what certain players will never play and certain ones will, if I show that I am a clown, if I show that I do hold double standards, if I show that I am soorakh then I will be toyed with. period! Branko was a gutless chicken head for a brain. period!

What did Branko say when rezaee hit badavi!!? did he control the situation.... was rezaee benched?

I am somewhat amazed at your interest to stretch this beyond imagination!!
do you know more than shojaee who himself in an interview denied all teh stuff that you are saying? you can speculate to the fact that it may be this or that as a cause to why shojaee is saying what he is saying...bbut the truth is the iranian team had severe defects and its back bone was ****ed up...this was because of lack of leadership and the main head roll starts from top to bottom...

On that screwed up ground ( byt he way that I am talking about for the past three years) all teh scenes seen are a perfect match....irane eslami az in gohi ke hast behtar nemeeshe..oon meeshe kochesh, oon meeshe kapitane namarde avazeesh..oonam meeshe jadoogaresh!!

branko showed that he is the weakest, the most gutless chicken for brains coach that iran has ever had...

did karimi had flaws..you bet! in a word or relativity who is the biggest screw up story of teh wc for camp Iran!? no doubt the chicken shit Branko!