lets talk about FREEKICKS ..... again.

[50Toman]

Chakerim, Fsec jan,
I know that Mr. D is a lost case, my explanation was for the rest of our member. We dont want those to be fooled by the D.
anyways, I thought he gave up, maybe the D will give up once hell freezes.
As for Mobali, untill he improves himself, he will not have any place in TM. Moabli was part of TM longer (since 2000) than any other sub or even some of our starters. He had lots of potential but he could not build on that. Many players took the little time they got and made themselves startes, but not him. Look at borhani for example, com pare Borhani of pre summer 2005 and post summer 2005. some players have the will to improve themselves and some others dont. Hopefully Mobali now that he is far from the pressure and our corrupt media, will have the time to improve his game.

LOL what a joke, improve what aspect of his game? Improve his passes from excellent to outer world? His set pieces from formidable to ......?? You tell me what he should do to be included in the squad. I’m not saying that he should be a starter; don’t get me wrong we have excellent players on his position. But the fact that he doesn’t even get called up its just UNACEPTABLE!

[Doctor DOOM]

mrgood jan, although I am a die hard daei fan, I must express my shock to see you tout daei as an example.

yes, his passing has improved, and he does play one-touch sometimes, but then again when he wants to carry the ball, he loses the ball more often not.

nekounam?
he also does it once in a while, but he does dilly dally and make bad decisions ... clear example his performances in the past 3-4 months.

karimi at TM?
till recently, he used to dribble on and on. that is NOT one-touch passing to me.

zandi is one candidate I will accept as a definitive answer.

the rest, you have picked anyone who merely "passes" the ball during the game.
that does NOT qualify as "one-touch" passing game.
zandi's is.
Kia also.

but the rest?
while being great players ( which is what u wanted to bring up ) they are not playing like kia or zandi if we keep the quick decisions on where and whom to pass to.

I agree they are very good passers and players.
but so is mobaali.
and the tag of "lacking decision making" certainly does NOT stick to him.

and as 5oT aleady mentioned, he has shown he is quite capable of doing the job.

and yes, karimi, at present is a better choice considering his physical status and experience.
but that does NOT mean mobaali is any spring chicken.
and not calling him up for TM camps is indeed unacceptable.


and if u want to talk about scoring and # of goals:
it is not as if TM has been scoring 2 goals per game off its direct freekicks .... has it?
how many has beckham scored recently?
even mihailovic didnt have such stats , that u demand of mobaali !



when we have to start a player solely becoz he has taken time to travel and come to Iran, I dont see why we shdnt apply the same philosophy on matters of providing the team with a couple of extra routes to score goals .


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other hypocritic teenage gossiping girls shd perhaps go back into their little corner and gossip with the rest of their little gang of fairies.
gosspi, or compare childish barbie dolls' outfits.

if the immaturity levels of our mods have reached such rock bottom levels that any voice contrary to theirs is called names and labeled, then maybe instead of pointing fingers at others, some of us shd look inwards and maybe try to grow up, for a change.

any little 12 yr old girl would know at any time, there could be more than one out-take on any issue.

just as mrgood has his view and I have mine.

hopefully when these ppl grow up, they would understand the meaning of "diversity" and "personal opinion".

to that day .....

[186forever]

arash jan ... dont scream HERE.

you can go to that face you've kept under ur name and scream at HIM.
coz it is only HIS lajbaazi that we dont have such an implement in our team to use against decent teams.

Great Reply!
I don t see how a player like Mobali can not be part of Team Melli s bench.

[186forever]

Agha Peyman
I know you love Mobali and of course want him to be part of TM and I understand because I love Bagheri and want him part of TM and we both have good reasons on why these players should be a part of TM s bench, but having them start is not a vise decision. But I will talk about the freekicks assuming you want to hear about that too and your intentions were not only in support to Mobali
Well, as much as you said Zandi only scored 1 goal and etc... I still think that any DIRECT freekick from the left should be taken by zandi. He can both bend and curl the ball into the back of the net. Ofcourse he is not a Great Freekick taker, but if there should be anyplayer taking it direct from the Left, It should be Zandi.
As for indirects, well we all know mahdavikia will be the one for many reasons. He is the best at it, and he is short so there is no point of having him in the box, so it works out the best. Although Zandi might take the ones from the really deep left side since I have noticed that Branco likes TM Crosses to be driving in-ward rather than Out-ward. Just like the Freekcick he took in Azadi Against Bahrain which let to the goal by Nosrati. So for Indirect, Mahdavikia and in special occasions, Zandi.
As for Mobali, well, I would want him to take our DIRECT Freekicks from the right side, because he also like Zandi can both curl and bend the ball in a short distance Direct Freekick. But If he even becomes part of TM again, he will not ba starting unless Branco doesn t start Daei and maybe do a Combo of Hashemian and Karimi upfront and have Mobali take karimi s origional attacking midfield position which is what I would do if there was no Daei. Or he might come in the game in minute 65-90 and then yes, I would prefer him to take the freekicks.
As for Direct Long distance ones, well Nekounam is good at them and If Bagheri is added, and in the field, then him too. One of those one touch little passes for Nekounam or Bagheri to crack them from way out.
I wouldn t be surprised if Daei takes the right Direct ones. The only thing he does good is shoot the ball hard and put it only in the keeper
s side which works 25-30% of the time. Like his goal vs. UAE in 2001 WCQ 2nd leg.
Look, Brazil's best Freekick taker is Juninho, but we all know that we will not start, and they will not bring him in just for a freekick unless it is minute 90, so most likely, Ronaldinho will take them. Same applies to Mobali. If he is on the field, then He will most likely take them from the right, and if not, they Either Daei or Kia, or a small pass back to nekounam for a fire-rocket

[Doctor DOOM]

pooya jan, I am not saying mobaali shd start .
but to not use his talents, even as a sub is crass stupidity.


2- you would be amazed to know mobaali takes the kicks with BOTH feet.
both right and left.
and many of his kicks have been with his left foot.
so either side, he can be useful

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3- importance of variation:
we MUST have variations in such kicks.
very observant of you to notice what branko has instructed for the kicks.

but if our team does that 3 times, ANY average coach and captain would read the next one.
that's why we MUST show variation in where and type of approach of the ball into the box also.

just going away from the keeper, or going towards the keeper, makes the team predictable and readable !


and for a team that will have LIMITED strike and scoring opportunities , and maybe its best hope is thru spot kicks, rather than OPEN-PLAY ( no thanks to branko's insistence on that vague formation and defensive attitude ), then we MUST .... I repeat , we MUST invest in freekicks HEAVILY.

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4- and just as mansoor jan demonstrated a while back, sometimes, having zandi in the team just gets in the way of team performance !
maybe he also shd be a sub for karimi or nekounam.

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5- daei's freekicks :
the ones from & around the LEFT corner of the opponent's 18 , where he can shoot with his right foot, and curl it inwards ( from right to left - inside of his right foot ) , are the ones that will do.

what about the right of the box?

what if we want and SHOULD have variation and options for those on that side?
or even the same left corner?

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6- style of the kick:
basically the chances of merely "whacking the sh*t out of the ball" with a powerful shot ( top of the foot ) are not even half as good as a well PLACED one , taken with technique.
stats prove that.

more often than not, those whacks go skyward !!

so even if we get something in the middle, I'd rather see a curling shot than a whack, which is reliant on the opposite players opening gaps in the wall, or jumping high enough to the ball that is whacked can precisely pass underneath their feet !!

there is no curling whacks .... at least we dont have any roberto carloses to do that for us !!

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and frankly put, if we had any player in TM who was a true freekick specialist ... let it be nosrati, or yahya, or kaabi or ..., I would have been happy.
the tragedy is that we dont.

and as I said, when we are in a situation where our chances of scoring are limited and we seem to have been rendered ineffective in scoring in open-play , then we MUST utilize the freekicks as if our lives depends on them .
and they do.


there ARE games won and lost based on one well taken freekick....some by the weaker teams and underdogs even.

[186forever]

You re right
Obviously our only options are Zandi,Daei, Kia and mobali if he s available.

[Doctor DOOM]

now, the second phase of issue of freekicks:
the matter of COMBNATION

do we have any kinds of combinations for the indirects ?
far more inferior teams have used combinations in their kicks to create danger.
I have seen some rather interesting ones from teams as lowly as thailand, india, oman, .... .

do we?
I havent seen one.
has anyone?

I remember sometime back, a couple of our players tried something ... but obviously it was impromptu and not rehearsed at all, coz they lost the ball half way , to the opponents !!
very embarrassing !

why?
is it deemed not important?

are we scoring a dozen goals in every game that we see no need to work on freekicks and its combinations?

whose job is this ?
shahrokhi's?
sajjadi's?

who?
and why he hasnt done anything about it so far, after so many years ?

hell, I have seen coaches after 5-7 months, come up with 2-3 variations and combinations for their freekicks !!!

[Doctor DOOM]

ايمان مبعلى گل زد

هافبك يك گله الشباب در اين بازى توانست خود را دو گله كند. ايمان مبعلى كه على رغم مصدوميت به طور ثابت در تركيب تيم اش حضور داشت، در نيمه اول، بازى خوبى انجام نداد. او بابت مصدوميت اش خيلى با احتياط بازى مى كرد، به همين خاطر نتوانست درخشان ظاهر شود اما در نيمه دوم ايمان خيلى بهتر كار كرد. او در حالى كه تنها ۱۰ دقيقه از شروع وقت دوم گذشته بود روى يك ضربه كاشته دروازه حريف را باز كرد. ايمان حتى مى توانست تعداد گل هاى خود را به عدد ۳ برساند اما دومين ضربه كاشته او به تير دروازه خورد. مبعلى دو ضربه ديگر هم زد كه با اختلافى اندك راهى اوت شد. در پايان الشباب توانست النصر حريف بالانشين خود را ۴ بر ۳ شكست دهد.

[Arashi_Washi]

arash jan ... dont scream HERE.

you can go to that face you've kept under ur name and scream at HIM.
coz it is only HIS lajbaazi that we dont have such an implement in our team to use against decent teams.

Its not Bran*** faults..

More like Ali daeis fault then Bran***..and if YOU out of all people cant understand that then who will...

[Doctor DOOM]

Its not Bran*** faults..
More like Ali daeis fault then Bran***..and if YOU out of all people cant understand that then who will...

1- unless you can back up your accusation, I would suggest you keep your words to yourself.
did you hear daei dictate such a thing?
were you standing there when he forced branko to strike off mobaali's name?

as far as I know, you were NOT there.
so where and what is your evidence?


2- and then again, explain why we shd support a coach who is forced or led by a player ?
whose fault is it, then?

hassan agha baghal-e sar-e koocheh ?

[Arashi_Washi]

1- unless you can back up your accusation, I would suggest you keep your words to yourself.
did you hear daei dictate such a thing?
were you standing there when he forced branko to strike off mobaali's name?
as far as I know, you were NOT there.
so where and what is your evidence?
2- and then again, explain why we shd support a coach who is forced or led by a player ?
whose fault is it, then?
hassan agha baghal-e sar-e koocheh ?

I wouldnt call it convinience that mobali was allways a regular callup to the national team...

And WOOPPSS..He had a fight with Ali daei in the little tournament where Mobali laid a very bad foul on Ali daei...

and then after that Mobali just didnt get invited...

Well if you want to call it convinience and just blame branko then go ahead..but from a person from your kind of knowdlegde its pretty stupid isnt..

Well call it Faith shall we..And lets blame Branko...

Well your stories does not make any sense either MATE...
So dont come here and tell me I NEED proof while you have no proof at all that shows Branko is the one who cut Mobalis name offf while It was realisticly Ali daei..

Well what do you want us to do when a coach is lead by a player..what do you want the coach to do...He talks he it will only cost him his job...

While he is only doing the best he can to make everything better..

[Doctor DOOM]

arash jan, again, I must quote Napoleon ( been reading on him a bit, lately ) :
"Never interrupt your opponent when he is making a mistake".

now, I dont call you my opponent, but I shall use this as a metaphor to bring my point home.

you started saying daei is the cause of mobaali's drop from TM.
I blamed branko.
coz either way you look at it, it comes down to the OFFICIAL person who gets to select the player.
I said "official", coz who knows if there are ppl behind such decisions or not.
we must merely follow general rules that the HEAD COACH is the person who has the final say in it.

for example you said:

So dont come here and tell me I NEED proof while you have no proof at all that shows Branko is the one who cut Mobalis name offf while It was realisticly Ali daei..

my young friend, in fact, I WILL come here and say it, ... and actually QUOTE YOU, yourself ( and thank you , btw ) for reiterating my point.
to address ur above statement:
then, prey tell WHO is in charge of selections?
it is branko, no?

to which , you may repeat this:

Well what do you want us to do when a coach is lead by a player..what do you want the coach to do...He talks he it will only cost him his job...

hehehe,
, to which I would only repeat what I said before:
when a coach is so incapable of decision making and is but a tool under a mere player, what use is he to us?
what respect will and shd he command from ppl?

bottom-line, you helped me make my point against branko's suitability .

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to dear branko:

btw, my friend, it's a bi.tch when one is proven wrong, isnt it?

Mobaali is doing great. Ouch-o-meter ; 1

Amirabadi is given rising ovation during his games. Ouch-o-meter ; 2

Sadeghi is among the league's BEST LEFT defenders. Ouch-o-meter ; 3

Kazemian is the star of pp and a major instrument in their resurgence. Ouch-o-meter ; 4

man, I tell you, it IS a bi.tch to be proven wrong on so many points , so many tiems, with such regularity !!

[Arashi_Washi]

arash jan, again, I must quote Napoleon ( been reading on him a bit, lately ) :
"Never interrupt your opponent when he is making a mistake".

now, I dont call you my opponent, but I shall use this as a metaphor to bring my point home.

you started saying daei is the cause of mobaali's drop from TM.
I blamed branko.
coz either way you look at it, it comes down to the OFFICIAL person who gets to select the player.
I said "official", coz who knows if there are ppl behind such decisions or not.
we must merely follow general rules that the HEAD COACH is the person who has the final say in it.

for example you said:


my friend, in fact, I WILL come here and say it, ... and actually QUOTE YOU, yourself ( and thank you , btw ) for reiterating my point.
to address ur above statement:
then, prey tell WHO is in charge of selections?
it is branko, no?

to which , you may repeat this:


hehehe,
, to which I would only repeat what I said before:
when a coach is so incapable of decision making and is but a tool under a mere player, what use is he to us?
what respect will and shd he command from ppl?

bottom-line, you helped me make my point against branko's suitability .

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to dear branko:

btw, my friend, it's a bi.tch when one is proven wrong, isnt it?

Mobaali is doing great. Ouch-o-meter ; 1

Amirabadi is given rising ovation during his games. Ouch-o-meter ; 2

Sadeghi is among the league's BEST LEFT defenders. Ouch-o-meter ; 3

Kazemian is the star of pp and a major instrument in their resurgence. Ouch-o-meter ; 4

man, I tell you, it IS a bi.tch to be proven wrong on so many points , so many tiems, with such regularity !!

Well amirabadi and Sadeghi are invited to team melli and last time Kazemian was even invited..

And you havent proved me wrong because WHAT do you want Branko to do..

Keep quiet do whatever he can and keep his job
or talk and lose his job..

Well its not the poor mans faulth is it...

Macala wouldnt do anything better..Belive me

[Doctor DOOM]

And you havent proved me wrong because WHAT do you want Branko to do..
Keep quiet do whatever he can and keep his job
or talk and lose his job..

( I'm guessing you didnt read Napoleon's quote )



THANK YOU once again, Arash jan, for proving yet another point of mine.
( jolly good show, lad. I must remember to send you a gift for the new year )

so now we have reached the issue that to branko what matters most is HIS JOB.
not TM or its performance at the WC or ... .

( before anyone says anything, I must say, the team may be important to him, but it certainly is NOT his priority )

when he is willing to tolerate such unlawful forces, to bear any kind of humiliation and is ready to compromise the TEAM's quality .... JUST TO REMAIN AT THE JOB .... it leaves me ( and it shdnt leave anyone else) no option but to condemn him and ask for his removal.

we want someone whose TOP MOST priority is the TEAM and TM's quality.

not his skin, job, money, name, fame, resume', ... .

and if x or y cannot satisfy this utmost of criterias, then , as we say ; kheye peesh. boro be salamat.

no wonder the team's quality has been dipping , with no imporvment in sight .
obviously the goal and target is something OTHER than the TEAM shining at the games !

it is merely "weathering all the storms and criticism" until he reaches the WC, so he can put it in his resume " HEAD coached a team at the world cup" !!!

no wonder those rare friendlies get cancelled and they are so far and in between, .... to keep the team's performance OUT OF SIGHT & SCRUTINY.

sad , isnt it?

[Arashi_Washi]

( I'm guessing you didnt read Napoleon's quote )



THANK YOU once again, Arash jan, for proving yet another point of mine.
( jolly good show, lad. I must remember to send you a gift for the new year )

so now we have reached the issue that to branko what matters most is HIS JOB.
not TM or its performance at the WC or ... .

( before anyone says anything, I must say, the team may be important to him, but it certainly is NOT his priority )

when he is willing to tolerate such unlawful forces, to bear any kind of humiliation and is ready to compromise the TEAM's quality .... JUST TO REMAIN AT THE JOB .... it leaves me ( and it shdnt leave anyone else) no option but to condemn him and ask for his removal.

we want someone whose TOP MOST priority is the TEAM and TM's quality.

not his skin, job, money, name, fame, resume', ... .

and if x or y cannot satisfy this utmost of criterias, then , as we say ; kheye peesh. boro be salamat.

no wonder the team's quality has been dipping , with no imporvment in sight .
obviously the goal and target is something OTHER than the TEAM shining at the games !

it is merely "weathering all the storms and criticism" until he reaches the WC, so he can put it in his resume " HEAD coached a team at the world cup" !!!

no wonder those rare friendlies get cancelled and they are so far and in between, .... to keep the team's performance OUT OF SIGHT & SCRUTINY.

sad , isnt it?

Hashemaian,Zandi.....thats only 2 names that wouldnt be in team melli if it wasnt for Branko..

Branko made 10 trips every month to get Zandi and Hashemain all his hard work finally payed off..to what ?

To make team melli stronger so dont come here and tell me he only thinks about his job because he cares about iran and team melli as a hole..

He is a great coach as he is a great man...