My reasons why Ghale-noei is the best option!!!

[VivaItalia]

By reading the news on the front page and seeing the new invitees, he is selecting the individuals who never were at team's service: Majidi, Ansarian, Nikbakht, Akbarpour... and striking off the most promissing players Borhani Navidkia and Zandi! I hope this is just a list to start with.

It's interesting how this article refers to Ghalenoee striking off Yahya regardless of the fact that Yahya already announced his retirement!

I'll wait and see what he does.

[BehzadB]

I'll wait and see what he does.

That's what I will do too.

But so far, I have to admit that I like that addition of Ebrahim Pour (from Sepahan) and Peyrovani.

I take these two anyday of the week over Faraki and shahrokhi.

However , Ebrahimi was not a good choice. I am sure he will have a minimal role , but still, there were better options there.

The new list (as expected) had to have some changes. But I think ultimately the team is going to be very much the same as before. I don't think players like Majidi or Niki or Ansarian are TM material anyways. Not even Enayatee. But hell, I guess the new guy just wants to try some of the players HE thinks are worth a try.

Still, we have to wait a couple of more days before the list is out. I thought Ansarian is seriously injured and can't play for at least 6 months.

[zand]

very, very good points. it's sad but I only see this as a cost cutting measure
when do we ever pay for a foreign coach to develop a team over several years? we just get them in before the big tournaments or else when we look like we're not gonna qualify or are in trouble.

$30,000,000 a month is paid to Hezbollah in Lebanaon. That could buy us a great coach for the next 30 years (if there is no inflation). I guess buying guns is more important than making a nation happy.

[Ali Chicago]

Good to hear from you Yashar

Yahsar,
I dont' want to turn this to a one on one thing, so maybe it is better to follow this up on a private messge level. Read your post and seeing your pessimistic and seeing the half empty side of Iran and Iranians, it is no surprise that you adapted that signature (players being corrupt, .....) .
My posting has two parts, first part is about Branko and I really don't care much about it. The second part is the most important part and I would beg you to read it carefully.
First Part
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To set the record right, I am a member of a Persianfootball since the Spring of 2005. I didn't post as many, I mostly read with a few exception (posting during the WC qualification games. You can check the dates of my membership for yourself, Not that it matter how long I have been a member. The point is, I have seen a lot of posting of you and other folks in the past. I followd a lot of postings of you Sohial, Mansoor, Doctor Doom, etc. At that time, I felt I don't have a strong opinion one way or another.
From my recollections, you and many folks were hard core Branko supporters. Not that it is any crime to be his supporter and that makes you guys bad or anything. AT present, you say you had disagreements with Branko, but I don't recall to see a single posting before WC from you or most of the Branko supporters, to criticize him. Don't refer me to one of your posting that you may have done that. If you do that, I probably can refer you to hunders of your posting that you have defended him. Point is you guys were almost religiously defending him. Poor DD (Doctor Doom) was the lone ranger and totally isolated (with a few exceptions). You and a lot of other in this forum heatedly defended the man. When we won, Branko and his system won and all the credit the him and hail the Ceaser (i.e. Branko). Whenever Iran lost, our culture, players, Karimi's misbahviour, Earth gravitational force, and many other shortcomings of the Iranian society and Iranian negativity got the blame, but never Branko.
Anyways, I am not going to get into the Pro Vs. Against Branko discussion, since this is a dead issue. He is gone and Ghaleh Noei is the new guy.



This brings me to the main issue that I posted my initial posting (your signature being condecending toward Iranins, not even a single or fewe Iranian players but Iranians). As if being an Iranian is a desease.
Second Issue
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There is a 20 years give or take age difference between you and me. I am from the generation that did the Bahman reveloution at 1979. Akhoonds, stole the reveloution and brought us to this point. Now such a negative attitude (like you have toward Iranian society and Iranians's in general) is so prelevent.
You said all those bad things about Iran and Iranians, let me share with you the other half or being an Iranian.
Iran is the first nation (in middle East yes even before Turkey) who rose up for freedom and democray and equality (Costiutional reveloution in 1907).

I am sure you know Hafrz, roomie, Ferdoosi. They were Iranians. Have you read about Ghorattol Aeen? She was the first female poet who removed her cover (Chadoor) and recited her poetry in public. About Babee movement (they are not quite same as Bahaye's now). About Soor Esrafeel, Sattar Khan who was a horse groomer and still fought as one of the leaders of Constitutioanl movement. Haydar Amoo Ooghloo, Koochak Khan, Kheeyabani, Beezhan Jazani, original leaders of Mojahedeen (like Saeed Mohsen).

How about Sepahbood Rahimi (the commander of Iranian Imeperial Army)? He was from a totally different political stripe. Lot of commanders of Shah fled at the time of reveloution. He didn't. He came to the Islamic Republic court and said, I sweared to be loyal to the past regime and I am loyal to my swear. He knew he will get killed but still he did that. These are all Iranians, from different political stripes, different races and even nationalities, but great people. Not saints, but I am proud to be an Iranian like any of these folks.

We can only choose to see those who fled and those like him who stayed. Glass is half full and half empty which side do you choose to see?

At 1907 when yours and my grandfathers/mothers tried to bring costitutioanl monarhy to Iran (Mashrooteeyat)no other nations was doing that.
Turkey at that time or even most Euroean countries despite being closer to Europe (France and other advanced countries) never had a social movement like that. During the time the Reza Shah wanted to creat Pahlavi's Monarchy, there was a movement to decaltre Republic then in Iran. Shouldn't we be proud of that? This is back in 1924.

In Kuwait women just got the right to vote a couple of years ago or to get elected just last year.
Since 1907, I can count for you at least 4 major anti dictatorship movement in Iran. Constitutional revelotion (mashrooteyat), Oil nationalisation movement, 1339-1342 unrests that lead the so called White revelotion by Shad and then 1979 movement.
No other nation has been so active and paid with the blood of their best sons and daughters for freedom, social justice and equality.
Forget about the god damn politics, your countryman in USA the bastion of the capitalisem, are amongst the most educated and richest minority in USA. I am not making claims, I refer you to Fortune magazine article about 3 years ago about Iranins.
Iranians in US (at least) are the most educated (yes most educated) even comapred to US or Indians, have one of the highest income per capita and on and on.
Whatever you do, please don't put down the whole Iran. You can criticize certain Iranian traits (for that matter human traits, but dont' blanket whole Iranian as if being an Iranian is a sickness). Lot of the things you say is right, but the same problems are true for a lot of other people. Or if they don't have the same problems as Iranians, they have other problems.
Let's just go through some of the vices of other folks. Here I am not trying to be racist or anything or put down other nations, just listing some of behaviors I have seen from some of the people who have other nationalities.
Do you want me to tell you how many Indians are sucking up to whoever is in power?
Do you want me to tell you how many chineese friends of mine go to their temple and pray to their god for money? To them money is the most important thing.
Do you want me to point out the Crap that is going on in America and a glimpse of it can be seen on Jerry SPringer's show? Did you see the Fiasco that happend after Caterina in New Orlean's?
Do you want me to tell you about the racial discrimination even among the so called (chosen people) Jewish folks in Isreal? Safardaim and Ashkenazi problem
I played for a preimier division team in Canada that was ethinc based (Chilian) and pretty much the same crap as amongst Iranians. Same political haggling, same self centrisem. I played with Ecuadorian based club in major leage in Chicago again the same crap.
Do I need to remind you in WC 94 Bebetoo and Romario didnt' even fly in the same plane together?
Don't get me started with the life in Pakistan and India. Do you want me to tell you about how racist many Japaneese are?
Dont' get me wrong, I am not claiming Iranins are superior race or any crap like that. All I am saying, every nation has good and bad. We are no exception. At this moment of time, Iran is in its demise, we will rise again.
If Iranian girls are doing the prostitution in Dubai it is because of the economic situation. So is all other problems has economic roots and a lack of freedom and democracy.
I have seen a lot of heroic acts of Iranians. I have seen lot of Iranian boys who took up arm to defend Iran during the Iran - Iraq war. I saw people sharing their food to send to fronts during the war. I saw how a percentage of political prisoners despite being forced to sit and listen to the so-called confession of political prisoners before they were taken for execution in Hossayneeyah Evin (under the sword of Lajevardi and the so-called Dadsetani), still rose up and resisted. They were beaten back to their cells by the Tavabs and jailers and got tazeer (flogging). Yet still they did it. Do you know many of Iranians in 1367 just had to say they are Musalman Zadeh and pray in Islamic Republic Jails and they didnt' and get executed after the Iran-Iraq war was ended. It probably is the largest masacer of political prisoners in the whole history, even Nazis probably never did something like that to political prisoners.

Forget politics, let's talk about oridnary Joes like you and I. I remember at the begining of the war how Iraqi tanks were all over in Mehran Dehloran, Bostun and bunch of soilders and sargents and officers with a whole bunch of volunteers (Davtalabs) of Lashghar 92 Zerehai Ahwaz were trying to fend them off. I remember how we sweared to resist and were overwhelemed by Iraqi tanks. I remember how many times we sweared to our honor (namoous) that we take one step back. No one was there, we could have fled like mice, but a lot of Iranians didnt'. Some did, many didn't. I saw with my own eyes how a lot of people in Ahwaz carried howitzer shells in the trunk of their Fakasani (outdated) Paykans to fend off Iraqi's assult to Ahwaz around Navard factory and the artificial forest and Imamzadeh.

Many of us have this self depricating syndrom all over our society. We think we are not good enough. There are two extereems. Another part thinks we (iranians) are great. We are superior race and know it all. To me both are wrong. Truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

I remember, when Iran played Australia in 1973 for WC 1974 Germany qualification, I was only 10 I think. I read Kayhan Varzeshi and Doonyaye Varzesh almost religiously. I remember at that time, I couldn't beleive Ali Parvin or Ali Jabbari or Parviz Gheeleechkhani can play against the Aussies. Aussie players had all Westerner names. John, Jack, .... . At that time, I think they had a player called John Kozemina. I never thought Ali Jabbari can play against Kozemina. Why? Because his name was John, or he was a western forigner. Iran lost 3-0 in Melborun I think. Then, Gheelech Khani socred two himself and single handedly killed the Aussies in the Stadium of Aryamaher (currently it is called Azadi) 2-0 for Iran. Iran didn't make it to the WC 74 but for me It was like, we Iranian can. I need to beleive in myself.

When I played in the university against other forigners, serbs, africans etc, the first couple of time, I was like totally overwhelmed, until I realized they are the same as me. We are raised with this self depricating, beign too critical of ourselves. To some point it is good, but beyod that, can be destructive.
Forget about all of these, look at people in this forum. See yourself a young Iranian with a great mind, intellectual, lot of good traits. Look at Mansoor how much energy and effort he put into this. Sohail, lot of other intellectual and good hearted people. A guy like Doctor Doom who has a great critical thinking mind, he is elaborate and most improtantly cares so much about his homeland.
No soccer player and I am saying no one (ok maybe very very few) soccer players potentially are ready to give for their country as much as Iranians. If the coach or IFF hasn't done the conditioning with them that is a different story. Or if the coach hasnt' given them enough self confidence, so they are liek shitting their pants to play against Mexico (who their coach costantly calls them Ranked number 4 in the world), that is a different story.

So please, please don't label them (Iranian players) as corrupt. Lot of leginors from other countries told their national team they dont' want to play for their national team, because of injury potential (well world cup case is different, because in WC they can get better contracts). Lot of them got different citizenship in order to play in otehr countries. But not a single Iranian player has ever said or done that yet. I dont' care who he is. Even Dai traveled 1000s of miles during the 98 and 2002 qualifications. Please dont' label them corrupt.
Iranian players maybe are bonehead, emotional, uneducated but corrupt never.
Your generation maybe doesn't know about lot of heroic acts of Iranians, (beacuse papers and radios and TV never talk about these), but I presonally have witnessed a lot of these.
I am not trying to advise or nasihat you. But you should be proud that you are Iranian. We Iranians like any other nations have good and bad, let see both. Empty and full half.
As you yourself said, life isn't a binary state. It is not black or white. It has a lot of grey. Even different shades of grey. So, please let see the forest (bigger picture) and not just a tree (details only) or base our judgement about a country based on the behavior of many.
Regardless, if you agree with me or not, I am proud of you, Mansoor, Sohail, Haji, DD, Faraz, ZZ and lot of others in this forum. I am not trying to apple shine (excuse the language Khayeh Maalee) here. You all are Iranians too. We are no superior race or any crap like that, but if we are not good at least not worst than many other nations.

Ghorbanat and Zendeh Baad Iran va Irani (despite all our short comings).
Sorry about the long post to everyone else.

[maij]

Out of all the local coaches , I think that Ghalenoei is probably the best choice, but not the only one.

Under the circumastances and with a tight schedule , he could be the right man.

I personally don't like his character and style. He lacks certain class in his dealing with the media and players. His public image leaves a lot to be desired. Tactically speaking , his main weakness is in his poor substituations timing & choice and his situation awarness.

Despite what Haji said , this guys blames the earth and the sky and anything between them for any losses.....Haji Jan , don't take my words for it , check it out yourself...and if you have access to Navad programs archive , it would be even better.


He is also a Lajbaz...His conflict with Samereh is a well know episode.

In any case....it all depends on the aspiration of the IFF. If they think about championships , then I am afraid they have missed the plot in getting Ghalenoei in. If it is an intrim solution , then this is as good as it gets.....

On the positive side...I kind of like the big squad of expertise around Team Melli to assist the coach...But , I will be damned if Ghalenoei will ever listen to anyone of them....Let's not fool ourselves....

My choice would have been Bizan Zolfagharnasab..... A class act and a highly educated coach with a track record.

[kia]

#12 is WRONG. He is probably the biggest whiner of all the IPL coaches. He always blames the ref, the pitch or zamin va zaman for his losses.

[Darvish11]

#12 is WRONG. He is probably the biggest whiner of all the IPL coaches. He always blames the ref, the pitch or zamin va zaman for his losses.

so one reason out of 17 is wrong, id take that, wouldnt you?

[Doctor DOOM]

well, I guess the curse of "absolutely horrible staff for TM" continues !!

GN announced his assistants, and they include;

ebrahimi & komasi !

I mean , commmee oooonnn man !
ebrahimi?
this is horrendous !
what does he have on offer ?


same with komasi, whose idea of physical traning is climbing and jogging on hilltops !!

what's wrong with GN ?
we had guys like derakhshan or .... who would be far better than ebrahimi !


it's perplexing.
I dont know if ebrahimi's and komasi's inclusion is only to please the red fans or not.
but it sure as hell cant be based on ANY technical foundation.

crazy !


so , so far GN has taken two steps as the beginning of his tenure.
one very good, one very bad.

good one is to do away with some unnecessary players and include guys like mobaali, enayati, heidari, ....
bad one, just mentioned above.
but beware, Mr. GN, too many bad ones too early in your reign can ruin your chances of survival.
make the next move a wiser one.

[smanhoobi]

Dear Behzad:

For heaven's sake, please do not categorize anyone for what they believe. I think the first and most important flaw in our attitude is when we categorize people belonging to certain "for this" and "against that". I and many others have a certain "opinion" about a matter. This opinion is only valid for certain situations. I said, always did and always will, that there is a difference between "poshteebaanee" and "peyrovee". You can support an idea based on certain principles. Support is the name. Following is not.

Ali and Behzad jaan:
For the records I always supported the notion that:
When a TEAM wins, a TEAM wins. When a TEAM looses, a TEAM looses. What I hear from you guys is a story I am not familiar with.

Guys. The reason we all supported Teymourian in the end of this world cup was because of his passion and care he gave representing Iran and Iranians. For one month duration and for 3 games we applauded the guy. Ali Daei did the same thing for many years and in countless games. We applauded him for so many years and we felt so proud of having him in the national team. The LEAST we could do for the guy we proudly wore his jersey for so long was to just avoid cussing at him.

But that rotted culture and mentality of us could not do that in the end. We could never do that in our history. And that is something I will never support. And we did that based on what? Zlitch. There is not a shred of evidence anywhere that suggests accusations attached to the name of the guy were facts. There were all here says. And most of the people who started it in one way or another, were either candidates or currently selected individuals who would run this team.

As for Branko. For the records and I can show you evidences that I have never attributed teams success to him. Again, when a team wins a team wins.

The reason why people like me and yashar and Mansoor were always regarded as having a side in this issue is the immense unfairness we felt in this issue. When people come and support kiddo Karimi and alike and praise certain individuals for a win and trash a few others for a loss without having a single idea of what really is at stake, it is the responsibility of some other moderates to tell them " hey, tond naro". If we let such thing to continue, without even mentioning that people also exist in the middle of the spectrum, we have essentially let players like karimi to stay the kid they are.

No. I am not blaming Karimi for our loss. I blame the whole team. But thats very important. The "whole team". A successful team consists of educated, civilized and cultured fans. Government, football federation, coach and lastly players. When a player makes such a mistake, it must be addressed. But, the blame for it starts from top to bottom of the system.

Yashar jaan:
I read what you posted. Again, I only wished we could understand the depth that you talked about. I only wished we could put what you said next to what Ali jaan had to say in the next post of his. If we could ever do that, we would stop suffering.

Ali jaan:

I for one read everything you wrote. To me, what is important is the extreme knowledge, love and care and respect you have for your country and countryman. For that, I thank you so very very much.

But Ali jaan. Dont ever think that young brilliants like Yashar (Forget about me) has anything less in those attributes that you have. And, I am sure you dont think otherwise.

Ali jaan. As a student of psychology I was taught different approaches in dealing with problems of an individual or an entity. Different schools of psychology have different means by which they tackle the flaws and try to correct them. But there is one fundamental principle they all share. And that is the following:

To have a success in solving any particular problem, you have to know and address the problem. Bottomline, in order to change yourself for better, you have to know your "self". That "self" has positive sides and negative sites. What causes you to stay where you are or in other instances "regress", is certainly not your positive sides. It is your negative side. And that can only be solved, if you surface it and you accept it as being a problem. A successful therapy ends when such a goal is achieved. Meaning that, you know, accept a flaw and then you try to fix it.

Now, you know why psychological treatments are so hard and frustrating to get to a positive outcome? Its because, people are very stubborn to accept a flaw. So most of the long term treatment of a certain problem is spent for that alone.

Now, a culture is represented by individuals. If it is very hard to convince "one" person, it is 100 times harder to convince a culture. But attempts should be made. You should remind and surface the issues. One should put a stop on finding individual escapegoats (like Branko, Karimi, Daei). And we should stop letting our positive aspects put a big shadow on our negatives.

So what about positive aspects? Dont they matter?
The answer is "Absolutely". But reminding individuals and entities of their positive sides are such an easy task to achieve. People are ready for it. They love it. But, what kind of value does reminding these positive sides have on the individual? The answer is "limited". Therapists use those positive attributes just as a booster of positive energy so that individuals can have enough force to "accept the flaws". Its "only" used to boost the confidence of the individual and to remind them that all negatives can one day become a positive. Like the ones they've already got.

In my opinion, the cultural problem we have should not be aproached by "chesh mo ham cheshmee". We, Iranians, are extremely biased in our approach because , many times "unconciously" we use "cheshmo ham cheshmee" even in approaching our problems. We "think" that we should not talk about our problems. Because what if "the american culture" makes fun of us.What if, this one hears this and takes advantage of it. To cover this up, we start making comparisons. We start saying, hey, yes we "might" (security concept) have this, but others have ten times worse.

Above is exactly why "psychology" was never an accepted science in Iran and Iranian culture. Today, things are much better, but we are still in the pre-school of using this science. nd what you see among individuals, is a small scale of what you have in this culture.

Yes, positive stuff are good to know. I thanked you for that, cause we need to be reminded that we "can" do it. But have you ever thought of "why" non of those positive attributes have ever helped us (with over 2000 years of culture) to progress to even one tenth of where USA (with a few hundred years of existance) is? Its because of the things I said in the last few paragraphs. And its because of what I said and Yashar jaan has kindly accepted it. Its because we are insecure, corrupt and self oriented. And a western culture with all other flaws they might have in their culture are 100 times more successful in bringing the best for the elements of their cultures and countries.

And Ali jaan. Please dont bring this IRI issue up here. Either we brought them in power ( Some consider this as a mistake) or they were forced on us (some others consider this as a reason) or they came by the will power of this nation (some others have this view), they are there. No matter which option you pick, its all about "us". Noone else is to blame. If a country with over 2000 years of existance and culture is NOT the "superman" of this world, its because we are corrupt. Its because we are flawed. Its because we are self oriented people. Its because we are patriots only when it is good for "us".

Remember, we I talk, I dont give any percentages of people. This is "just" my opinion and to me it generally helds true.

Ali jaan. You should know me by now. In everything I discuss with you, I am so proud that I am doing it with such a well informed individual whom I think is very respectfull and gentelman. I love you for that and very proud to have you as a cyber friend. Hope, one day we can meet and you beat the shit out of me with your arguments.

Mokhlese hamegee and with my deepest appologies to Haji for replying to his thread out of context. I will post a seperate one regarding the subject of the thread. I also appologize from all the readers and participants of this thread who stuck to the title. Forgive me please.

[smanhoobi]

In any case....it all depends on the aspiration of the IFF. If they think about championships , then I am afraid they have missed the plot in getting Ghalenoei in. If it is an intrim solution , then this is as good as it gets.....

But Majid jaan. Do you really think that Ghale Noei is leaving Esteghlal for a 3 month and 3 game job as the trainer of TeamMelli?

I think it is obvious what is going to happen. No matter what Ghale noei does, he is going to be the "trainer" of teammelli for a long time to come.

My question is, if we all know that he is not "enough" for the job, why should we start with it? Why should we support it? Do we want to go into another selection flaw?

Guys:

Do you know why Ghale noei is called a "trainer" of teammelli and not the "coach" of teammelli? Hope you do.

[morti]

did u guhys read his selection? almost perfect! i only liked borhani for majidi, but this is good man!

[Hajagha]

Despite what Haji said , this guys blames the earth and the sky and anything between them for any losses.....Haji Jan , don't take my words for it , check it out yourself...and if you have access to Navad programs archive , it would be even better.

I didn't say the guy is "potato", did I? Of course he defended his team in every single event he thought they were robbed. To be honest they were robbed quite a lot of times last three seasons despite their almost perfect shows.

What I meant, I witnessed he explained his team's weaknesses when it comes to lose square fair, I saw it many times.

If you ask for a shy person who accept any kind of unfair calls, well Qala'e-Noei is not one of them.

[Hajagha]

My question is, if we all know that he is not "enough" for the job, why should we start with it? Why should we support it? Do we want to go into another selection flaw?
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I don't agree that he is not enough. We are in a period of time that a second level international coach who is not familar with many aspects of lives (football and language included) is not enough and a top level coach is too much plus won't come. Now, we need to improve our coaching ability and level as well. When we have good local coaches, we don't get too excited by names like Scholari or Leppi. We may in one point bring such names, but we need to know how to get them to work.

I don't see ourselves in that position now.

Cheers,

[Doctor DOOM]

I agree with haji jan.

at THIS PARTICULAR point of time ( plz DO consider the xenophobia of our officials and ppl ) GN seems a fair enough option.

as for the matter of him staying on ... well there are a few scenarios .

one scenario, considering that ss is after denizli, we may yet see a swap of the two coaches once things cool down and we finish our 2 games ( or even all asia cup qualifiers ) under GN.
that would be a fantastic one.

the other is IFF retains GN as the coach of TM, being an under-study to a good foreign coach who may come after the two games ( or all asia cup qualifiers ).
which is another fantastic one, since GN has shown potential, and being an understudy to a good coach, will certainly groom him for TM head coaching job later on.

third scenario may be that IFF lets go of GN after the immediate games ( 2 or all ACQ's ) and hires a good foreign coach.

least possibility is they retain GN.
I say least, becoz I know the attitude that will prevail once IFF's dust settles down and some time passes.
they WILL hire a foreign coach , sooner than later.

[BehzadB]

Dear Behzad:
For heaven's sake, please do not categorize anyone for what they believe. I think the first and most important flaw in our attitude is when we categorize people belonging to certain "for this" and "against that". I and many others have a certain "opinion" about a matter. This opinion is only valid for certain situations. I said, always did and always will, that there is a difference between "poshteebaanee" and "peyrovee". You can support an idea based on certain principles. Support is the name. Following is not.

Dear Soheil

the words were, DEFENDING (supporting) and BLAMING not "Poshteebaanee" and "peyrovee".

People ARE catagorized for what they believe in, if they believe in the same thing. Just as you said yourself:

The reason why people like me and yashar and Mansoor were always regarded as having a side in this issue is the immense unfairness we felt in this issue.

that's generalization based on "Feelings" and "believes"

But that rotted culture and mentality of us could not do that in the end. We could never do that in our history. And that is something I will never support. And we did that based on what?

Yes you did. You blame it almost ALL on karimi, Hashemian and Kia. You accused TM players (some of them) for NOT Wanting to play hard enough for TM in WORLD CUP GAMES and saving themselves for their Clubs. you accused "some of them" for not having any "Gheyrat" and you did all that without a single shred of evedience. You kept insisting about things that went down in Germany, eventhough, Dadkan and Faraki and many players have stated and been wittness to the fact that NOTHING of the sorts that some people claimed (and some people insisted on) about "Fights and divisions" ever happend in Germany. Still you insist that "huge problems among players" caused our downfall in Germany. But you don't talk about the FACT that we had no Physical trainer, we had no half decent assistant coaches, we had no management , no leadership, no organization. But you want evidence about what people say about daie? The evidence is there. You just don't want to accept it.


Did you see what the Brazilian fans did to their SUPER HEROS? And they are mostly 9-10 years younger than Daie and 10000000 times better than Daie as a player. and Much more loved than Daie. Still, they got middle fingers from their fans when they were getting on their bus.

You can support Daie's playing time untill he is 98. (and I believe you would, as you stated before the WC that you would bench Hashemian for Daie at the WC). that's your opinion, but Just don't expect people to do the same. for the last few years ALL that people wanted was for the 38 year old Daie to quit TM just as Parvin, hejazi, Abedzadeh, Pius, and hundreds of other beloved palyers had. But he wouldn't. For years he knew that and he ignored it eventhough he was USELESS for the TEAM. And his reason: The coach decides. Sure, and we have all come from "poshteh Kooh".

Read Alipour's interview on ISNA about how Daie was SUPPOSED to retire in AC 2004 but SOMEHOW did not. That's called ABUSE. For any king that abuses people's trust, there will be no better ending.

Yes there is plenty of wrong with our culture. But where you blame the fans, I blame the Stars and the Heros and the Kings and the MEN IN CHARGE of the decisions. they are the ones that have the strings in their hands but because of the Egos and "other reasons" they abuse a weak system for as Long as we say nothing. well, guess what? People spoke up and Engouh Was enough. Daie was like a guest who wore out his welcome but still stayed on For YEARS more. That does not sit well with our people.

As for Branko. For the records and I can show you evidences that I have never attributed teams success to him. Again, when a team wins a team wins.

Dadkan and Branko stand at the very top of YOUR SIDE. They did continously contribute team success to THEIR presence. They did that ON TV. (NO NEED to get into paper media about that).Your side has done that plenty of times on these boards too. I never meant the YOU personally have done that. I said "THEY".