My reasons why Ghale-noei is the best option!!!

[BehzadB]

My question is, if we all know that he is not "enough" for the job, why should we start with it? Why should we support it? Do we want to go into another selection flaw?

a large group of "experts" participated in voting for a number of candiates. They chose Denizli first and this guy (GN) second.

I think the collective group of coaching staff chosen are OK for now. (Ebrahimi excluded!)

We need a good foreign coach with a good assisting staff 2 years before the WC.

[yashar_fasihnia]

Yahsar,
I dont' want to turn this to a one on one thing, so maybe it is better to follow this up on a private messge level. Read your post and seeing your pessimistic and seeing the half empty side of Iran and Iranians, it is no surprise that you adapted that signature (players being corrupt, .....) .
My posting has two parts, first part is about Branko and I really don't care much about it. The second part is the most important part and I would beg you to read it carefully.

Ali jaan, thanx for taking the time and patience to type me a long reply, im glad u took my reply seriously.
anywayz, i think, there is a hugeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee misunderstanding here from ur side about me. I am PROUDDDD to be iranian, i always say im iranian and i never shy away from iran.
I dont know how i made being an iranian looks like a diesase but i didnt mean it that way, if i did, im sorry, that wasnt wat i meant.
im proud to be an iranian, and so are my parents and family. as u can see from my name, a 100% iranian name (yashar is actually azari which comes from "Yahsasen" meaning long live - my grandma is from tabriz, she chose this name and fasihnia, well needs no explanation). my sisters names are iranian too, sadaf & setare and as u can see, my family is proud to be persian. i went to an english school from kinder garten but i made an effort on my own by reading 3rd and 4th grade iranian books till i learnt how to read farsi. i read khabar varzeshi everyday only because i wanted to learn MY MOTHER TONGUE. i live in dubai, but i never said or try to tell anyone im an arab although i can speak arabic quite well. if i wasnt proud of my home country, i wouldnt be supporting their team, follow their news and even be on this site replying to ur post.

however ali khan, remember, the topic was iranian players are corrupt or not, and i said all those to support my claim that iranian culture is a corrupt one and when u are brought up in a corrupt society, by default, that schrew cuning muzigari is developed in u inorder "ke ja namune az baghiye donya" which in this case is the iranian society. if a simpleton, decent, innocent iranian who was brought up abroad comes to iran, u think he will survive in that society?? if an iranian who was brought up abroad comes to iran and wants to start a business, he will be bankruppt within 2 years because others will start misusing and abusing his well natured, decent character.

in general ali jan, i believe i this, society maketh a man, and inorder to stay alive in a society and not fall behind, u have to play the game according to the society's rules. there is corruption everywhere, true. but there are different levels of corruption, there are different attitudes of people.
india is a corrupt country, so is a world power like china, even a modern country like italy as it was disclosed this month! but how come they are not facing the same problems we do, atleast in their national team??
Did inzaghi and del pierro form bands in the italian team and try to spoil luca toni and gilardinho?? did gregory coupet try to form bands with other team mates to kick out barthez although coupet had been on fire and barthez had mediocre perfromance in their club teams that season?? wat about kahn and lehman??? there is competition, jealousy, unfairness and corruption everywhere. but how come only in TM there are band bazis and players divide in groups of 2 and try to spoil each other?? There surely is a reason for it. the Iranian society has brought up its iranians in such a way that u should destroy someone else inorder to strive, something in football we call "najavanmardane".
Best example u gave me urself, romario and bebeto didnt even take the same flight, YET THEY WERE ONE OF THE DEADLIEST COMBO WHEN THEY PLAYED UNDER THE SAME FLAG! kahn and lehman OFICIALLY insulted each other in front of the media, but when they walked in the same national shirt, kahn actually patted lehman and wished him gudluck in the penalty kicks! Does this happen in iran? tell me frankly, are iranians so professional?? not only in football, but any field in life. on the contrary, in iran we immediately start "cheshzadan", "hesadatkardan" and "nefrin" kardan. simple example, when iran was knocked out by portugal and mexico, people started hating them, wishing them all the badluck! BUT WHY??? They palyed a better football than iran and angola, they deserved to go through, so why were iranians cursing them and everything. Heck, forget portugal, even our own ali daei, people were wishing he would break his legs just so that they would be satisfied! wat kinda professionalism is this???

In a country where there is no real rules, everything is khar to khar, people are brought up that way, to break the rules, and not to take is strictly. thats why the iranians outside iran are more disciplined, well mannered and successful than the iranians inside iran! i am completely aware of the fact that iranians abroad are very very successful individuals. Companies like google and ebay all have an iranian brain working behind them. NASA and microsoft are dominated by indians, iranians and chinese. BLOODY IRANIAN YOUNGSTERS ARE WINNING THE OLYMPIAD MEDALS EVERY YEAR! im aware of all this, and im proud of being an iranian, but ali jan, these things dont prove that our iranian society is not corrupt and professional.

Maybe u misunderstood me somewhere else as well, when i said iranian people, in general i meant iranian society, in iran, iranians born, brought up and living in iran! ofcourse there are exceptions everywhere both outside and inside iran. like u said, most of the iranians abroad are successful individuals of their societies, and there are successful ones in iran as well. but in general, the iranian society in iran is corrupt, and this corruption is way toooo high because it is being supported by lies, brainwashing, bibarnamegi, bi ghanuni, etc. And like u said urself, many problems are because of the economic situation of iran. Now, u claim urself u have read many of my posts, tell me frankly, didnt i always mention the main reason for our drawbacks is our political, economic and cultural situation?? yet people came and said, wat has economy got to do with this? wat has iranian culture and mentality got to do with that??

Aghaye ali khan, ur atleast 20 years elder to me like u said, u have seen the world and experienced almost double the time i have, u saw the islamic revolution with ur own eyes, the scenes of the iran-iraq war must be living in ur memory even today(unless u left iran before that) and i am aware and respect that. u have played football in different countries, and i think u said u have some coaching experience or degree too (right??)
This is exactly why im even bothering to read and reply to ur lengthy message with even longer ones. But ali jan, i have heard of all types of iranian heroism. i have read the shahname, the hezaro yek shab.i know about mosadegh who went to the international court to stop the british from hogging our oil money, timsar rahimi who had taken oath to serve shah an shah and even though granted the oppurtunity to be forgiven only if he would break his oath, he stayed to his words and was eventually executed.
Akhavanae sales, hafez & ferdosi. zakariyaye razi, abu ali sina & abu reyhane biruni. arashe kamangir, kaveye ahangar & siavash! takhte tavoos & daryayae noore nader shah, dariushe bozorg & kuroushe kabir!
i have heard,seen and read interviews about the times when players like hejazi and parvin had to work all day to earn their bread and still find time to train and play for their clubs and national team with minimal bonuses and incentives. THIS WAS THE REAL IRANIAN GHEYRAT! u must have seen them in those days, unfortunately i wasnt alive that time to see and enjoy these heros. but temme, did u see ANYTHING CLOSE to those heros of 3 decades back today in our players?? Again i repeat, i never ever mentioned my opinion about karimi's controvery in the worldcup, but did u see any gheyrat in his eyes while he played for iran?? i never ever blamed karimi, mirzapour, daei or branko for iran's loss. Neither did i attriubute irans victories and successes only to branko. and YES, I WAS A BRANKO SUPPORTER ONLY BECAUSE I PREFERRED HIM TO OUR WORSE OPTIONS! i criticized branko in many threads specially about his 1 forward formation, his physical training and lack of substitutions specially in friendly gamesand i think u should believe me for it, but again i repeat, "supporting" doesnt mean "agreeing to". its like having to choose between islamic republic regime and mojahedine khalgh, if u got these 2 options for ur country, who would u choose?? between bad and worse, who would u choose?
Yes, i defended branko many times, much much more than i criticized them but then again, i was a branko supporter not a bashed. How could i be a branko supporter but criticize him more than support him???
And on this website and the whole iranian media, it had turned into a for or against issue, maybe thats wat gave u the idea that i "worshipped" branko so religiously but for once ever, did u ever stop to think wat reasons do i have to worship him? is he my father or uncle? am i getting part of his salary?? or wat?? nobody here worshipped branko, i can boldly state that from every branko supporters side here because branko was neither a relative nor a business partner of any of us, but we saw the world in a different way u guys saw. while u guys lived in the present, we guys looked at the future and the consequences of firing branko! now whether our didgah or ur dudgah was right, is upto a person's sense of judgement. but i think u didnt understand a major part of the branko supporters intentions and view and mis interpreted it as "worshipping" him and poor doctor doom trying hard to put sense into peoples head here. And again i repeat, i ALWAYS WAS AND AM A HARDCORE BRANKO SUPPORTER ONLY BECAUSE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES AVAILABLE A HAND!! U think if hitzfeld and mourinho were the other candidates i would still be opting for branko????
ur TOTALLYYYY mistaken when u say in the past, i was a die hard branko supporter but now i say he had problems. I was and am a hardcore branko supporter until i see a better candidate than him knocking on the doors of IFF and i always was unhappy with CERTAIN beliefs and decisions of branko and i stated it in many threads before, but then again, u dont expect any coach to satisfy the expectations of 70
million people!

U know ali jan, with all due respect, ur the one generalsing the branko supporters (although the arguments u made against them dont have any relevance on any of the branko supporters i know on this website, atleast on F+)
No branko supporter said it was karimi's fault we lost, no branko supporter said we won only because of branko BUT WE ALWAYS SAID THIS IS A TEAM RESULT, BRANKO's TEAM WON, BRANKO's TEAM LOST! i have read enough posts of mansoor, sohail, martin reza to know they wouldnt make an excuse like earth's graviational force or karimis behaviour as the reason to iran's failure or loss!
Ali jan, i dont think u ever understood our view point, which is perfectly normal for human beings, but to accuse wrongly of things we never said or believed is a bit frustrating.

However, i always enjoy ur posts because u are clearly well informed and experienced and i hope i didnt disrespect u or any other hamvatan here on this site.

And about the comparisons u made with other countries, i got 2 points to say:
1)most of the comparisons u made are about third world countries like india, kuwait, pakistan, ecuador and these stuff are expected from them. Its ironical how im accused of having low standards and low self esteem yet ur the one whose comparing iran to the likes of kuwait and pakistan!
2)about racism in japan and other countries, i am aware of them. racism exists everywhere. japan too who discriminated the "burakumin" classs.
Problems, corruption, racism exist everywhere. Its nothing new, no society is perfect and i know that. But clearly, there is a diference in the society levels and this is clearly seen even between the iranians in iran and outside iran.

Oh yea, and about america, i know the jerry springer show(maury povich etc), i have watched it and some people claim its all lies but whether lies or not, i still have the same belief and that is the US is only a temporary world power. The real world powers will soon be the east asian countries specially the Chinese. u wanna know why?? because a strong nation has to have a strong society. a discplined, educated, well aware, hardworking, united and professional soceity. The americans are ignorant, carefree and unaware people and thats why the US wont last long. But the east asians are educated, hard working, united and motivated and thats why they will eventually become the real world powers! This is just my opinion.

Being an iranian is not a disease at all, its an honour which i proudly carry around with me. But to see the state of iran with all the potentials, history and

In conclusion, i just wanna say i never said we are inferior to any race or superior either. We have our flaws and so do other nations. But i was talking about the flaws in our coutnry iran and corruption, bi ghanuniye, khodhahi, hesadat, band bazi, and shoste shuye maghzi are the biggest draw backs of our country and i mentioned them because u said i was bringing down my own country men. Stating the draw backs of a country doesnt mean belittling its importance and prestige. Every thing happens for a reason and the fact that iran is in such a miserable condition at the moment reflects the drwabacks i mentioned above. There are also other reasons which are external reasons which are caused by the world outside iran but that again can be changed by making other changes in iran.

[yashar_fasihnia]

Sohail khan,
be ghole maroof, shoma ostage bande hastin. im just glad there are people who understand wat i really mean by each word i type and dont misinterpret it as something else.

mokhlesim!

[maij]

But Majid jaan. Do you really think that Ghale Noei is leaving Esteghlal for a 3 month and 3 game job as the trainer of TeamMelli?

I think it is obvious what is going to happen. No matter what Ghale noei does, he is going to be the "trainer" of teammelli for a long time to come.

My question is, if we all know that he is not "enough" for the job, why should we start with it? Why should we support it? Do we want to go into another selection flaw?

Guys:

Do you know why Ghale noei is called a "trainer" of teammelli and not the "coach" of teammelli? Hope you do.

As it stands , the situation is like this.

1- Mostafavi is on a temporary assignment
2- There is no Head of IFF
3- Asian Cup qualifying matches are knocking at the door
4- Everything sseems to be happening at the same time.


There might be some kind of haste in decesion making process. In any case , if Ghalenoei is a permenant solution , then I am not exactly thrilled. Don't get me wrong , I wish him ( like all other TM coaches) all the best , but that does not change my mind that this is a reverse backwards & negative move.

Ghalenoei , Ebrahim & Komasi !!!!!!!!!

[maij]

I didn't say the guy is "potato", did I? Of course he defended his team in every single event he thought they were robbed. To be honest they were robbed quite a lot of times last three seasons despite their almost perfect shows.

What I meant, I witnessed he explained his team's weaknesses when it comes to lose square fair, I saw it many times.

If you ask for a shy person who accept any kind of unfair calls, well Qala'e-Noei is not one of them.

Haji...very simply...

The guy was one of the biggest whinner in IPL and he went as far as accusing somebody or something , without naming them, of plotting to rob Esteghlal of their championship !!!!!


Now...you can label his statements anything yo wish , but it does not change the fact that he is what he is.......The Biggest Whinner and a sore loser..... He needs to grow up.

[Doctor DOOM]

GN's coaching , as I understand , and so far has been indicated, IS a temporary post.

if we were a bit more observant, we'd see why.
ss has appointed GN's assistant , Marfavi, as their coach.
which means what?

put 2 and 2 together and you'd see, ss actually have allowed for the return of GN to their fold after his temporary stint.
not withstanding any fantastically incredible performance by him that forces/convinces the IFF to retain him after his trial period...... which is not very probable, we'd most probably see a foreign coach take over.

so lets not over-theorize and run wild with our imaginations.
at least not yet.

the next 2 games will determine GN's tenure.
and all considered ( korea game, especially ) , I doubt he'd be TM's coach in 3-4 months' time.

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and as for the matter of branko and ... :
well, as they say from the olden days : posht-e sar-e mordeh harf nazanim.
the pathetic moron is gone and good riddance to horrible rubbish.
enough talking about it.

I just wish ppl had more self-respect and held more value for our own ppl, than sacrificing them for the sake of this moron.

[KasraKhan]

well, I guess the curse of "absolutely horrible staff for TM" continues !!

GN announced his assistants, and they include;

ebrahimi & komasi !

DD jan, I agree with you 100% that the selection of assistans was horrible, but on the other hand I thought, do you think GN is going to listen to them anyways? They might just be figure-heads

[The-Red]

Under the circumastances and with a tight schedule , he could be the right man.

exactly my points.

[zzgloo]

I believe, ( with Doctor Doom's permission ),that there were some strategies from Branko that , DID WORK !!, .....specialy the attacks from the right side with kia and kabei involved....specialy during the last asian cup, as well as the first half of mexico game......more over, for the porpuse of continuety, may be is not bad to invite mr.faraki,as assistant to Ghalenoee....what do you all think ??.....

[Doctor DOOM]

zz jan, inviting faraki as assistant to GN , on the pretext of continuity is as good as grabbing Mr. Ganji in US and torturing him as a purpose of continuity !!!

faraki?
if I'm to choose between 10 feet deep in trouble and 15 feet, I'd rather have the 10 feet one ( ebrahimi ).

hell, at least ebrahimi HAD a couple of coaching stints.
what does faraki have?

or is it becoz he was the impotent "yes man" to that moron , branko?

bi khial amoo zz.
granted GN's staff are bad.
but faraki?
noway in hell.

[BehzadB]

I gave it a second thought after reading this Interview. I am not sure I like the TM staff anymore. I am still ok with Ghalenoei (for now) and a couple of others (peyrovani, ebrahim zadeh) but I like what Cheraghpour is saying here.

We need more people like him.

[maij]

OOOOHhhhhhhhh.... That hurts.

It seems like there is quite a bit of politics involved in this selection , but then again why am I surprised ????????

The man says , they are trying to please everyone...and he has a point. If that IS the case , they have doone a fine job....however , it is far from a good solution.



Anyway , despite my loathing of Nasser Ebrahimi , I think his task is limited to help the coach and take part of the 40 players and shout at them to run round the pitch in practise , nothing more nothing less.
So his contribution will be limited an no serious damage will be sustained by him........Unless he does his monkey act when Team Melli scores........and subsequently he claims he did that ugly act because he is a patriot !!!!!!

[zzgloo]

Some Points , To Consider...
............
1- Ghalenoee Deserves The Job, If One Wants An Iranian Coach.....as In Any Other Parts Of The World, He Had The Best Domestic Record,so He Deserves The Position.......very Logical....

2- Does This Mean, If Ghalenoee Fails In Doing Something Positive With Iranian Team Meli, Haveing Iranian Coach Is A Wrong Idea ??
( After All He Is The Best Selection )

3-what Other Qualification ,should An Iranian Coach Have To Become A Tm Coach ?......should Coach Be Selected Based On Record Or Perceptions ?

4-will Iff Strategy Be Like ,south Korea, Saudi Arebia And Bahrain, In Such Way,if The Coach Is Not Impresive, He Will Be Changed ,no Matter How Close To The Games, Situation Would Be ?

5-which Is The Priorety For Tm Coach ?
A= To Raise The Class Of Tm , To Be Competetive In The World Cup ?
B= To Adjust And Develope Tm To Be The Best In Asia,and Beat Asian Competetores ?

[BehzadB]

....
2- Does This Mean, If Ghalenoee Fails In Doing Something Positive With Iranian Team Meli, Haveing Iranian Coach Is A Wrong Idea ??
( After All He Is The Best Selection )

NO it wouldn't and I would not call him the best selection, and I don't even know who and how Any coach could be selected the best Iranian coach. But I have to assume that the people who attended that meeting and voted for him are among our "experts". And when it comes down to it and you have a short list of potential coaches anyone of them could be fine and selecting either one is a judgement call. There are surly more than one qualified coach that can be the head of TM.

His abilities at a national level have never been tested before and his education as it is the case with almost all the coaches in Iran, is "mostly unknown" and we can only wait and see what happens in the next couple of months and then judge him more based on his actions "with TM" than what he has done with SS in IPL.

[zzgloo]

NO it wouldn't and I would not call him the best selection, and I don't even know who and how Any coach could be selected the best Iranian coach. But I have to assume that the people who attended that meeting and voted for him are among our "experts". And when it comes down to it and you have a short list of potential coaches anyone of them could be fine and selecting either one is a judgement call. There are surly more than one qualified coach that can be the head of TM.

His abilities at a national level have never been tested before and his education as it is the case with almost all the coaches in Iran, is "mostly unknown" and we can only wait and see what happens in the next couple of months and then judge him more based on his actions "with TM" than what he has done with SS in IPL.

behzad-b jan....The runner up to ghalenoee was mayelikohan ...did you know that ?.....beside, how many other options do you think are there ?
.......I can not prove it, but I am certain ghalenoee is the only chance given to an Iranian coach, and if he leaves, the replacement will be a forign coach.
........
In many countries, they call the coach of a team : Manager !, and not a coach......which very much says alot about thier expectations.....Iranian coaches, are very weak when it comes to managerial skills.