Ghalehnoyi is a mistake

[smanhoobi]

so we are left with vatani ones ONLY.

Doki jaan:

This is absolutely not true. We have Simoez as our Omid coach.

There are tons of coaches out there that has both a descent knowledge and a desire to coach our team. BUT, if we keep thinking of names like "scolari" ofcourse we are doomed to have Ghalenoyi in the end.

For europeans, international experience is a different concept. For us in Iran, international experience should only mean a coach who has trained a descent club or national team at any level in south america or europe.

Our football is at least behind those two continents. So any coach that has been there has ENOUGH experience to coach a team in a lower level of football.

Couple of months would have given us enough time to search for that person. But we brought in Ghalenoyi, a person who at best relies on "emame zaman" for his success. I have nothing against his beliefs as I am a believer myself. But things wont work that way in a professional world.

Deegeh tamoom shod. He is there and "no matter what" he is going to stay.

[Doctor DOOM]

soheil jan, you REALLY think at THIS POINT IN TIME ( after branko's screw up ) , the officials are going to give TM to a foreigner ....... despite what me and you think, and despite what is good for it?

really?

you really think the officials could or want to do that, and dont do it ?
maybe you shd come down to Iran and see the mood that resides in football and stadia and fans and .... .
you'll be in for a shock.



just as I said.
give it a few months, and we shall see things getting back to normal.
but right NOW ?
right or wrong ( I say wrong, though ), noway there was an option for a foreigner ... even simoez.
believe me.

[smanhoobi]

"who do we have that we can call expert?" Answer: more or less that's who we have. Good or bad, educated or not, it was a Collective decision and therefore I called it a "Fair" approach.

That is not true Behzad jaan. We HAVE a few with knowledge to make a change. BUT, if we keep on giving the ground to irrelevant people, we will wipe those people off the face of our country.

People with certain education would never fight with what we have on top of TeamMelli now. Its not their character. They know, as long as people do not have a proper education to know what it takes to run something, they will be facing the destiny of their predecors.

Almost none of the people in that group and the ones currently on top of TeamMelli can talk one sentence in english.

Do you guys really think that modern football is being taught in Farsi in Iran? So, how in heavens, do these people even "KNOW" modern football? From IRIB?

And guess what. They dont even seek educating themselves. Cause "WE" give them the highest possible jobs "as they are".

AFC was virtually begging "Nasser Noamouz" to stay as the mediator between Iran Football Federation and AFC and FIFA. Do you know why? Its because no other freakin individual at higher level could not even speak English for communication. And Nasser Noamouz only knows broken english. Noone in the whole football federation knows anything about foreign relations of our federation.

The above is just a ridiculous example. Examples like that are plenty in our football.

My question from all of you is this: How the hell, educated people like you are supporting giving the "afsar" of teammelli to a person who does not even have a proper "coaching degree"? I dont understand you guys.

Azmaayesh deegeh basseh, baba. Ma shodeem moosheh azmayeshgaahee. We need to have a self confidence. You guys are the educated branch of this society. People like you should not ignore "facts" for the sake of possibility. You have gone to universities, you have done incridible job in foreign soil. All for what? Its all to give you the means to be able to decide and determine with high probabilities that something you do today will work tomorrow. Luck is always part of us. But people like you should go for "calculated" risks for success. Not "possible" risks for success.

NONE of you would ever give your business to a trainee. The least you require is "madrak". WHY are you doing the exact opposite to your country? Why?

Baba. Bezaaneen to dahane eena. Tell them that you want "real experts" to run your team. Tell them you promote the future of your football. Tell them you promote education in football.

Shoam beh yek ghalenoyi jaa meedeen, 100 ta ghalenoyi poshte saresh dorost meekoneen. Why? For a freakin Syria or Korea game. In games that Korea is deciding to attend it with his "B" Team?

I dont understand you guys. I am very very pissed off with you. I dont care about Branko or daei or ..... You guys should only promote a better future. You should stop this badbakhtee in Iran.

the guy says I will bring "scolari" and you say nothing? Yek mosht "sood joo" and "beesavad" are using your emotions for staying on top of our football. Bayad zad too dahaneh een "bee sharmha" that say stuff like that?

Ma shodeem "goosfand" doostan. "Goosfand". (door az jooneh hamatoon). Ma aghle khodemoono dadeem dasteh "ghaza o ghadar". Heife. You guys are the educated sector of this country. You are getting outsmarted by yek mosht beesavad.

Gosh. Beram bezanam abe sard.

[BehzadB]

...............
I dont understand you guys. I am very very pissed off with you. I dont care about Branko or daei or ..... You guys should only promote a better future. You should stop this badbakhtee in Iran.
........
Gosh. Beram bezanam abe sard.

I hope the Abe sard worked.

soheil jan, the issues are many and I can not talk about all of them here but about that "Degree" thing, that Education "issue", I like to point out something about that.

I totally undrestand your frustrations. I just don't undrestand why it is with "us guys". You talk about coaching degrees and how uneducated these coaches are. We know that these coaches do not have the required degree to even sit on the IPL bench. we know that all too well.

My question is: HOW is it that the very same uneducated coach (GN) and others like him and worse than him, were obtaining IFF's licsenses to sit on the bench in IPL? and Why?

Parvin, Pourheidari, MK, many others have been able to get the CARD to coach in IPL. ALL under the watch of Mr. Dadkan and Co. He said nothing. Noamouz said nothing. IFF said nothing. And surly they did nothing. In fact, he, Dadkan himself, chose MK to coach our Omeed team. Remember that?

Never, Ever did I hear Dadkan or Noamouz or Pahlevan or anyone from IFF challenge that. Dadkan had all sorts of support most of his term. How did he use that? He had websites, news papers and TV at his disposal. he had the FIFA and IPL rules to back him up. He had the president backing him up. He had the chances, but what did he do with them? Oh we made it to the WC. And look where we are.


He was not concerned that an UNEDUCATED coach is in charge of a SS team that has come so close to wining THREE IPL titles. Hell he was not even concerned about Parvin not being able to read farsi. He was not concerned about MK's degree when he chose him to coach our Omeed team. But he would start an investigation and issue fines to teams and send memos and scream everytime opposing team fan chanted against daie.

Aziz, you might be pissed off because of the state of Football in our country but we ONLY have our previous "MEN in charge" to blame for what we have today.

The problem with our football is too grave for a dadkan or any dadkan to come in and try to tackle by himself. Knowing that, not only Dadkan did not seek help, he just kept talking about HIS "success" and HIS this and HIS that, and HIS picture on a GIFT given to Beckenbauer on behalf of the Iranian National Football Team. A gift from Iran, the nation. Guess who made that Decision.

So that was the guy with Education and a good man too and on top of our Football who had all sorts of "tools" at his disposal to attack some of these very important problems that you mentioned and he didn't even bother TALKING about them, while he talked about a lot of unimportant "he said" , "she siad" stuff. I think he wasted a lot of time and energy just trying to tell people He is right instead of telling people what is wrong.

NOW, You expect us guys on these boards, to do what exactly?

[smanhoobi]

Behzad jaan:

Well said. And thats a huge blame on Dadkan. Let me just point one thing out.

Nasser Noamouz was only responsible for foreign relations. Because he was doing that for a long time and was familiar with tasks against AFC and FIFA. Pahlevan had other responsibilities. So , basically, they did not have much say about that.

And yes again. Its ANY IFF's responsibility and blame to let those people to even sit on the bench in IPL.

But, realistically, they did not have any other option. 95% of trainers in Iran do not have any coaching degree. If they wanted to take this one step further, they had to virtually terminate IPL. So, what they did instead was to give teams some time to develop. However, let me tell you something. Even that failed. Because, noone gives a shit about those concepts in Iran. You tell them these, they laugh in your face. Then what you need to do is to become strict and apply the rules. But, without a proper back up, you are doomed to fail. Its IMPOSSIBLE. Their numbers and their influences are too much for a group to handle them.

BUT, fans, me and you and doctor doom and hundreds more like us can force that. IF we stop being happy just to have a team, we will go down a bit, but what we build doing that would rescue us in ten years and will stay with us for hundreds more.

Now, what can we do? We should NOT support Ghalenoyi and his likes in such positions. We can start this from teamMelli and then extend it to whatever club we support. I dont have anything against Ghalenoyi as a person or a human being. BUT, I strongly disagree with his basic qualifications as a trainer of TeamMelli. Now , this could be X or Y. It could even be Ali Daei. I would say a BIG NO to all of them accross the board.

Baba, vall, bekhoda, they are fooling us. They are outsmarting us into these. I cant believe keh ma enghadr khaam shodeem. Kheili ozr meekham. Hameh meeyan yek kam beh daremoon meemalan, baad meeran. Har dafe ham , we give them a chance to do this. Then they go and find something again and they come back and do the same thing. And as "falak Zadeh" we are, we think that they change. We think that they can actually do some of the outrageous stuff they claim they can do.

I am so sad about this issue. They should not be able to do this with , at least, people like us who know what it takes.

The formula of getting what one needs has become so easy in Iran. And after hundreds of years, it still works.The formula is:

Sit aside. Play humble. Then make a chaos. Play humble. Get in.

As long as one plays this game, nothing else is needed. Noone ever cares if you have the education or even a descent knowledge. You play with people's emotions. You get into their hearts and you boss them. Thats it.

Please guys. Please. I dont care who we support. But please DEMAND "expertese" in any field in football. No matter how much you love a character, dont agree with them until they prove (at least) on paper that they are "eligible" for it.

I knew this was coming and I warned everyone. But, at least, lets unite behind demanding certain stuff. Lets not give away to "uneducated" , "in-eligible" people. Not even for "ONE" single day. We have been given the education to block this from happening. You let this happen to your teamMelli, you have given "YES" to such an act in every corner of our country. I bet you my life on this that NOONE will ever seek education in the field anymore.

Een adama masooleeyat sareshoon nemeesheh.

If you guys remember, as soon as Branko came, IPL teams went for educated foreign coaches for their teams. After seeing a few practice sessions of TeamMelli with Branko, Hameen Parvin went and adopted the same type of practice for teamMelli. The number of teams in IPL seeking foreign (by foreign I DONT MEAN jack and john) coaches increased. Cause they KNEW they cant compete with others in near future if they dont adapt.

Now, if we let what is happening to happen, all IPL teams will go back to their traditions. And we will loose this battle. We will promote "hardam Beelee".

I dont know how else to put this. I am very very disturbed by this. Tomorrow, you will complain of an "abdarchee" on top of a "vezaratkhooneh". You would not know that you, yourselves, gave a "yes" to it elsewhere. Just because we had 2-3 games ahead of us and we were in a hurry. Baba, bekhoda, Korea will not attend these games with their A team. They dont even need to.

[Doctor DOOM]

..... ad while we are on the subject of who to blame , we might as well add:

we can and shd blame dadkan and branko for the present mistruct and sometimes, hatred of foriegn coaches existing.

the same mistrust that doesnt allow the possibility of hiring a good foriegn coach ..... right now, I must add.

just a little note.

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and as for "demanding", soheil jan, I'm done with demanding.

I demanded many things during that idiot's reign.
such as quality.
such as the need to base selections on the right factors ( form & performance, rather than names and ... )
such as not settling on mediocrity
such as a recognition of fans as ppl who CAN differentiate between good and bad
such as ...

but where did that get me and ppl like me?
nowhere.
the idiot persisted with all the wrong ideas and notions.
that other traitor, backed this fool and they both completed their laj baazi with the mess we saw at the WC.

demand?
ok, I will. once more.
but first let me have some cause for my demands.
which means after a couple of GN games

[perspolees]

lol

again we are back at this stupid topic of foreigner vs Iranian...lolol
baba when are you guys going to understand that the infection rates of a top american neurosurgeon in Sina hospital is equal if not more than dr. abdoli ghomboli

the maximum speed and performance of ferrari F430 in tapehaye davoodiye is not better if not less than jiyan mahari!!

if you do not have the proper infrastructure from a to z of it then you will not see any great coach coming to Iran... do you know why? cause they have already said this:
On this ground There is nothing that they can do! except ofcourse to get rich really fast!

all we will get is a third tier coach like Branko!

in khar mire yeki dige miyad lololol hope one day you will see it too...now carry on with this really important topic..

I had actually told smanhoobi that I bet you this is the hottest topic that all will attend to yet again...

hadijan do not worry amir will go and a foreigner will come and DD will be at it again with him...and the viscious cycle will continue without ABSOLUTELY ANY REASONABLE EFFORT TO GO THROUGH THE PAIN OF THOUGHTFULLNESS....ie think and build base then talk unimportant shiit like in khar ya oon yeki!

[Hadi]

Let me put what Soheil is saying in other words:

What happened to IFF and consequently to our national team has political reasons. I think FIFA should have 100% banned us for mixing politics with football, just like they did to Greece but somehow this didnt happen.

Now many of you people might not know about the way the new regime has affected governmental institutes. Everywhere people have been replaced and replaced by young, unknown Sepahi individuals or close people to Ahmadinejad. I have many KARMANDS in my relatives and the same thing has happened in their department without exception. And the sad thing is that all the new people have no experties in the area they are working in and this is causing huge problems especially in places where international contat and communication is required (like the oil ministry or the foreign ministry)

Ali Abadi was the replacement for Tarbiyat Badani. He does not have even 1 day of sport management experience and knows absolutely nothing about sports (compare him with Mehr Alizadeh). Naturally he wasnt happy with having Dadkan at the IFF because he was politically on a different side but he could not change him since the WC was approcahing. Now that he has got the chance he has not only changed Dadkan but is undoing whatever he has done or doing the opposite. He doesnt care if it is good for football, as long as its not what Dadkan was doing.

One more thing to mention is that knowledgable, professional and experience people usually resign, change jobs or run away from the new people everywhere and nobody is willing to work with them. IFF is no exception. Even the few rational and experienced people who were present during Dadkan's time are no longer there.

I think the problem runs deeper than a simple Ghalehnoyi vs Zolfagharnasab or Iranian coach vs Foreign coach issue. Professional success is the last thing the new people in charge are aiming for. For them being KHODI, ARZESHI, and ENGHELABI is much more important than being a better coach. They are againts science and education. They favor traditio over modernisation.

Don't get me wrong, I am not a Dadkan or Branko fan but over Ghalehnoyi and Mostafavi, I would choose Dadkan-Branko ANY DAY. And this is sad because I was hoping for the better.

[Doctor DOOM]

actually, persi jan, I reserve my rights to "go at anyone".

I must be given enough cause to go at ppl.

it could be x or y or z.
I dont care.
my priority is TM and its betterment.

now, I dont care if this x or y is iranian, turk, brazillian, martian or vegan.
if he satisfies me as someone who is helping TM progress, I'm behind him ... or even her.

[BehzadB]

I think the problem runs deeper than a simple Ghalehnoyi vs Zolfagharnasab or Iranian coach vs Foreign coach issue. Professional success is the last thing the new people in charge are aiming for. For them being KHODI, ARZESHI, and ENGHELABI is much more important than being a better coach. They are againts science and education. They favor traditio over modernisation.

Don't get me wrong, I am not a Dadkan or Branko fan but over Ghalehnoyi and Mostafavi, I would choose Dadkan-Branko ANY DAY. And this is sad because I was hoping for the better.

Hadi jan, you are right on the money with your observation. The problem is much deeper than GN or Mostafavi.

The problem starts from the very top, and I am not even talking about football here.

The coming of the NEW guys who don't have Any experience or education in the field they are chosen for is not a new problem. The way I see it is that before we can go up we have to hit rock bottom. We are almost there!

[Hajagha]

Didi hala kam lotfi meekonee haji joon.
Noone prefers a "coach" based on his name being john and jack. And yes, they have greener pitches. Hell they have facilities in their country that we can only dream about. Both shows how professionally football is approached in those countries. And that by itself shows that whoever is brought up in those countries approaches the game in a professional way and has to match the standards of that country. Hence, they work for it. They educate themselves for it.

I didn't know they bring their facilities to Iran too. I thought they don't even bring their families.

The salary offers in any country should be based on the experience of the coach on international level and ones resume (from education to achievements). Hence, when we give more money to foreign coaches, we give them for their years of service at a level that we could never have in our country.

Yes, "Should be" but it's not. The reality is Branko got a salary much higher than any Iranian coach dream on.

Mr.Ghalenoyi does not even have a proper License to coach a professional team. Hence he is called a trainer and not a "coach". His total experience is 4 years, 3 of which was with esteghlal. He had one of the most popular teams in the face of Iran, was with those players on a daily basis and finally and after 3 years he managed an IPL (what a joke this IPL is with absolutely no ahievement even in Asia) championship which was decided only in the last week against a team that had much less popularity and with a coach that was there only for one season.

So does Klinsman. Besides, we are goning to use this IPL joke to acheive our goals.

Fekr konam, ma bayad yek kam beeshtar fekr koneem. I think its a shame for us to agree in giving the helm of TeamMelli (the highest that a country can offer) to a "trainer" with such resume and with such staff.
What you are doing Haji jaan is to support having an abdarchee run a factory just because he has been around and he is Iranian. What you are saying Haji jaan is that what is happening in Iran in terms of deviation from "Takhassos Geraai" is actually correct.

OK, bring on LIPPI, not another "Ich" please and tell him if you don't get any result we give you to Ahmadinejad to eat you.

Iran is in deep shit because such ideas are being implemented in it. Dont get me wrong. I dont say Iranian "coaches" are incapable. But first , they have to be "coaches". They at least have to have some sort of international experience as a "coach".

baba, you execute the guy before the first practice, then you ask for "international expereince? Let the guy improve, I don't say he is perfect, but he can get better, who knows we may improve in this department, look at your favourite country, Turkey.

If we continue this attitude, we will ruin our football. With Branko, we may have not achieved the second round in World Cup. But at least we took many steps forward from "bezan Zeeresh" football mentality.

[/QUOTE]

didi hala to kam lotfi mikoni. What did this Branko do for us? Oh, Keeping Daei in the pitch and ruining him to the ashes.

jigareto,

[Martin-Reza]

I think Ghalenoei is a huge mistake, but he has my support and I will only judge him by the results he gets rather than on my judgement of his abilities as a coach!

[Hajagha]

I will only judge him by the results he gets rather than on my judgement of his abilities as a coach!

Wrong doing if you ask me. Judge him by his team performance, not the result, however these two are not against each other by any means. Result is proven to not being a good indicators but performance is.

[Hadi]

^But the question is performance against who?

Syria? Korea? should we be content with +results these 2 matches?

Imagine winning SYria and qualifying for the AC. Do we want to move into the Asian Cup with a coach with 3 years of experience and less than 5 international matches-and who chooses such a radical staff?

[Hajagha]

^But the question is performance against who?

Syria? Korea? should we be content with +results these 2 matches?

Imagine winning SYria and qualifying for the AC. Do we want to move into the Asian Cup with a coach with 3 years of experience and less than 5 international matches-and who chooses such a radical staff?

I changed your question to this, see if it makes more sense to you or not?

But the question is "result" against who?

The whole thing about performance which makes it some times difficult is its "complexity", people can express their agenda and call a "poor performance" a "good one" or vise-versa. In the other hand, no one can change a result even the result doesn't represent the coach's ability.

As mature people who watch many football world-wide, we can easily call ourselves "expert" and judge about a coach performance rather than to simplify it to a pure "result". Don't forget to decide which "car" is a better car, you don't need to be a "car maker", so to judge about a coach performance, you don't need to be a coach as well.

Cheers,