Ghalehnoyi is a mistake

[khabalood]

There is no doubt that IFF is having a hard time finding or possibly even does not wish to find a GOOD foreign coach. We do not need another like Branko around.

Under such circumstances I think it is appropriate to allow a domestic coach the chance to get some good results which will hopefully encourage a GOOD foreign coach to sign with the IFF. We really have nothing to lose at the moment since it is evident that GOOD foreign coaches are not knocking on our door.

[Hajagha]

When it comes to a foreign coach, we accept his decision with no questions asked, why? Because he came from the other side of the water where the grass is greener. The salary to offer are all 7 digits, we don't care about the colors since the coach has no idea that we have two big colors in this country, so we take his ignorant as a grant.

When it comes to Iranian coach whose name is either "Javad" or "Abdolah", we think the same way about them as their names suggesting us, the salary becomes so thin and all their behaviors go under a big microscope to find out the true "color" behind the decisions, the poor guy(s) has(ve) to prove themselves that their decisions are not colorful, how? By choosing some colorful people from both sides (which mostly are the most idiot ones as color is for 14 year old boy and not 40+). We suddenly forgot the same "Javad" beat his counter rival square fair in a long league competition. In this particular one, the coach name is Amir and he has the best record in the last three years in a very competitive and improving IPL. Why don't we even let the poor guy breath in before accusing him from A to Z?

Yes, his selections (both in staffs and players) raise many eye-brows, but shouldn't we ask ourselves if we gave the guy enough room to breath? We all know except 2-3 players, the other players we have are almost the same level, so is that too important who he is gonna work with? Let the guy perform for a few months before render his execution. There are always some job-less “Vich”es around to bring and pay them millions and let them play with us like we are bunch of idiots.

Of course we can have constructive critics and directing him to the right track. One critic can be about the older players, but before asking him, we should assure him to not kill him if he doesn't get good results with the younger generation for the first few games.

I don't know why we praise a player while hammering a coach at the same time? Just because we are not allowed to bring a foreign player but we can bring a coach?

Do we have any doubt that Ghale-Noei was the best-talented coach we have ever had? Then let the guy show himself, who knows? He might be something.

Cheers,

[Hadi]

to make it very simple:

before this barrage of accusations and underminings, I say lets wait for the next 2-3 games at hand.

if he fails , THEN tear him to pieces.

we gave 2 years AND THE WORLD CUP HONOR , to that idiot branko, when all signs and signals pointed towards the downward trend of the team and an inevitable fisaco that indeed came to pass.

I think we shd be able to find in ourselves to give 2 games against syria and one against korea, to the new chap.
3 games.

what do you all say ?

This is a very weak argument DD jan.

If TM coaching is all about "giving a chance" it will be like a trial and error process. we will need at least 100 years to give every single Iranian coach the so called "chance" to see if they will suceed.

This is not the way things should go. One must choose the best option from the start.

[BehzadB]

This is not the way things should go. One must choose the best option from the start.

That is true. But the question is, HOW do you do that?

Who is to say that GN will succeed or Fail before he even starts. Who could say that Germany would reach that far in the WC with a coach like Klinsman.

The head of our sporting Body, brought in a relatively large group of "experts" and asked them to vote. I am not for it or against it but considering where we are, I think that was a FAIR approach.

[Hadi]

hadi, i didnt expect anyone on F+ forum to post something like this and surely not u..
what kind of supporting is this if u start bashing a coach when hes not even started yet, comparing him to coaches who failed before him, its BS man..
just let the guy do his work and THEN judge him...
AND let me tell u with this total system change he is going to make, the first matches wont be good i expect, but is our FF willing to give this man also 5 fckin years, same as they gave that olagh branco?

sorry mori but I can't accept this as well.

TM coaching position is not some "job". Anyone who accepts it must expect criticism right from the very first day. It is natural to criticise a coache's staff selection and player selection from the start. Everyone is free to say what they like and criticise and one should not shut up just because the new staff hasnt played a match yet. They have already started changing things and criticism must be present in every step they take so they will know that they are being watched.

[Hadi]

That is true. But the question is, HOW do you do that?

Here is what I would do:

Branko has 2 months remaining on his contract and we should pay him anyways. If the 2 Asian cup matches are fast approaching, let the guy continue for another month. He knows the team, he knows the players, he knows what to change and most importantly he is good at beating Asian teams.

After that we should look for serious foreign coach options. I am sure there are good coaches willing to coach a country with the potential like us.

But thats just me.

[Hadi]

Haji jan thanks for the response and sorry for making so many posts

Unfortunately when it comes to foreign vs domestic coaches I am pretty biased. Yes I will go for a coach with top European club experience over an Iranian coach any day. Just like I would go for a European player, stadium, soccer ball, or any other thing related to football, over an Iranian one.

May I ask why doesnt Japan or Korea choose a domestic coach for their NT? Surely they have a better league, better soccer academies, facilities and more educated coaches than us.

[BehzadB]

Here is what I would do:
Branko has 2 months remaining on his contract and we should pay him anyways. If the 2 Asian cup matches are fast approaching, let the guy continue for another month. He knows the team, he knows the players, he knows what to change and most importantly he is good at beating Asian teams.
After that we should look for serious foreign coach options.
But thats just me.

Hadi jan,

Can you imagine the level of negetivity against Branko?
Besides, then what? after those two months were up.
We still had to choose a replacement.

We needed a coach to take over the team ASAP, someone that would bring a new breath of freshness into the team. Branko would have been barried alive if had continued.

Don't get me wrong, I have a lot problems with the new player selection and some of the staff, but FOR NOW, we are not going to the WC nor are we playing to make it to one. So I decided I watch what this new guy has to say and how he will handle the TM. Then I will judge him.

[The-Red]

under the circumstances, we don't have a better option considering we have a game in 3 weeks though..but for long term, i agree with Hadi.

[Hajagha]

May I ask why doesnt Japan or Korea choose a domestic coach for their NT? Surely they have a better league, better soccer academies, facilities and more educated coaches than us.

Actually they don't. Korea has a domestic coach now and Japan brought a second rated coach, you know why? Bcz at some point, we need to develop this aspect of the football as well. They may bring a good coach for their bigger competiton like WC, but they are pretty sure a domestic coach should be enough for Asian Cup, You know what? They most probably don't bring their legioners as well. I think we should take a model from turkey than Japan or Korea, after all, we look like them, we play like them and we live like them. They were more successful in Football than japan or Korea and they have pretty good coaches around.

Saying all above, don't forget that no big names come to Iran. Besides, football is not a 100% science, it works in a very strange way, that's why you see a team from Africa can make a heart attack to a European team any day of the year with no facilities, league and soccer academies.

[smanhoobi]

When it comes to a foreign coach, we accept his decision with no questions asked, why? Because he came from the other side of the water where the grass is greener. The salary to offer are all 7 digits, we don't care about the colors since the coach has no idea that we have two big colors in this country, so we take his ignorant as a grant.

Didi hala kam lotfi meekonee haji joon.

Noone prefers a "coach" based on his name being john and jack. And yes, they have greener pitches. Hell they have facilities in their country that we can only dream about. Both shows how professionally football is approached in those countries. And that by itself shows that whoever is brought up in those countries approaches the game in a professional way and has to match the standards of that country. Hence, they work for it. They educate themselves for it.

The salary offers in any country should be based on the experience of the coach on international level and ones resume (from education to achievements). Hence, when we give more money to foreign coaches, we give them for their years of service at a level that we could never have in our country.

Mr.Ghalenoyi does not even have a proper License to coach a professional team. Hence he is called a trainer and not a "coach". His total experience is 4 years, 3 of which was with esteghlal. He had one of the most popular teams in the face of Iran, was with those players on a daily basis and finally and after 3 years he managed an IPL (what a joke this IPL is with absolutely no ahievement even in Asia) championship which was decided only in the last week against a team that had much less popularity and with a coach that was there only for one season.

Fekr konam, ma bayad yek kam beeshtar fekr koneem. I think its a shame for us to agree in giving the helm of TeamMelli (the highest that a country can offer) to a "trainer" with such resume and with such staff.

What you are doing Haji jaan is to support having an abdarchee run a factory just because he has been around and he is Iranian. What you are saying Haji jaan is that what is happening in Iran in terms of deviation from "Takhassos Geraai" is actually correct.

Iran is in deep shit because such ideas are being implemented in it. Dont get me wrong. I dont say Iranian "coaches" are incapable. But first , they have to be "coaches". They at least have to have some sort of international experience as a "coach".

If we continue this attitude, we will ruin our football. With Branko, we may have not achieved the second round in World Cup. But at least we took many steps forward from "bezan Zeeresh" football mentality.

[smanhoobi]

The head of our sporting Body, brought in a relatively large group of "experts" and asked them to vote. I am not for it or against it but considering where we are, I think that was a FAIR approach.

95% of those "experts" you refer to in many of your posts Behzad jaan, does not have any education in their fields of expertise. You may call them "experts", but to me they are not.

They are smart though. They know what it takes, and they do it.

[Behrooz]

The reason GN got the job was because he was getting results(Branko!!!) with Esteghlal and he was progressing every year.

If we bring a GOOD foreign coach and keep him for 4 years it will have long term benefits for TM otherwise a good 1-2 year temporary coach is no better than a vatani coach like Ghalenoi.

Give him a chance to prove himself and then we can criticise him later on.

[Doctor DOOM]

hadi jan, you seem to be missing the point.
I am not an ss fan, as you all know.
neither am I a GN fan ... or even a vatani coach fan.
so what I say, is borne totally away from any prejudice or bias.

nobody knows about the future.
but there are certain factors and facts that prepare a reliable prediction.


most important fact is GN's continuous and consistent good performance in the past 3 years.
there is no denying it.
ss plays good football , within iranian limits.

the other fact is that he has shown to be able to restrain or handle big named players.

and I agree, TM is no place for trials.
but we all know there is not much to attract a good foreign coach to Iran, and IFF is loath to hire one, so close to the bungling idiot, branko's f**k-up.
so we are left with vatani ones ONLY.

you tell me, who else deserves?
maybe Dr. Z.
I'd agree with this one too.

Jalali?
I'd agree too.

but you gotta admit, GN is right up there, among the top 3 choices ....whichever way you want to look at it.

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I say wait for a few months.
things will cool off and we shd see a guy like denizli or X or Y take over.


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as for your "expectations" and "wanting better and more" and such remarks, I have to say I wish you said these more often when we had the WC to look forward to.
while we were failing and free-falling with that pathetic moron, branko.

this "reluctance to accept mediocrity and weakness" shd have been more pronounced when we had the huge WC games to look at.

[BehzadB]

95% of those "experts" you refer to in many of your posts Behzad jaan, does not have any education in their fields of expertise. You may call them "experts", but to me they are not.
They are smart though. They know what it takes, and they do it.

and that's why I always use the word expert cautiously by using " ". However, what I ask is "who do we have that we can call expert?" Answer: more or less that's who we have. Good or bad, educated or not, it was a Collective decision and therefore I called it a "Fair" approach.

As I asked Hadi earlier:

HOW do we know who is the best coach for our TM?

No matter who answers that question, and no matter what the answer is, it will be a judgment call.

I say, right now we don't have the WC games and therefore if there was a time to try out a Vatani coach, this should be it. Besides, we all know that we have bigger issues than coaching. It's not like everything else is in place and coaching is the only problem. So for now, I would rather NOT spend a ton of money to hire a coach that is goining to help us beat on Syria or Korea. I don't think that should be a priority. I think IFF should have been brave enough and given the priority to the Omeed team and Simoez, Although someone like Masoud Moeini who is educated and an "expert" disagrees.