Should TM switch to a 3-6-1 under ghalenoi?

[BehzadB]

against syria, we need to go with 2 forwards, but 2 defensive midfielders, the 2 wings and 1 AM because we need to beat syria in damascus else we really have to commit suicide!!
thanx for ur post though agha behzad

The two defensive midfielders didn't work against Syria in Iran. They just didn't create anything ofensively eventhough Syrians were sitting back.

Anyways, clogged midfield against Korea will be a great tactic. our scoring will have to come on Set pieces. We are not going to out run the koreans. WE never did.

thanks for the correction about Shakouri.

[yashar_fasihnia]

The two defensive midfielders didn't work against Syria in Iran. They just didn't create anything ofensively eventhough Syrians were sitting back.
Anyways, clogged midfield against Korea will be a great tactic. our scoring will have to come on Set pieces. We are not going to out run the koreans. WE never did.
thanks for the correction about Shakouri.

true, the 2 DM's didnt work against syria and thats why i suggeste an AM like karimi and instead, give the 2 flanks only to 2 playesr (kaabi right, kia left) instead of having 2 on the left flank and 1 on right.

like this..

-------------------teymourian-----nekounam------------------
-------kaabi--------------------------------------kia-----------
----------------------------karimi------------------------------

and,, ur welcome

[Doctor DOOM]

under NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES , I , personally, dont like 4-5-1 or 3-6-1 formations, unless we are playing against really strong teams.

but right now, the team is NOT under normal circumstances and needs to get coordinated, also the coaches ought to strategize properly and ... a whole lot of other factors, which leave me to say:
for the game against korea, AT korea, I'd rather see a packed midfield.
which means one of the above formations.

however, such formations come with a few points of notice:
for example, having the lone forward shd not mean leave the poor sod alone up there.
it means we OUGHT TO have very speedy flanks , who can come to his help/rescue or recieve his passes to attack.

which means we are sort of guaranteed fown the right, with guys like kia, kazemian, kaabi fitting the bill fine.

down the left, however, while madanchi IS fast, but he's also out of form.
which leaves me to question GN on excluding the very talented Mani'ee.
not only Maniee is fast, he's also very skillful , who can control the ball and attack on his own.
he seems to me, the kind of player we ought to have for such formations.


[ note : mind you, the thing about such formations is the team shd NEVER think of absolute defending ... for 90 minutes.
they ought to have attack strategies also ( usually counter-attacks ).

no team can go into any game with the sole intention of defending. if so, we might as well not go and concede 3-0, and save ourselves a whole bunch of money.

it is with this in mind, that I wrote the above para ]


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the thing with too defensive formation or in games going against a better opposition is this: make use of your few chances to the maximum.
which means we HAVE TO have proper strategy for set pieces and freekicks.
normally, we may not be able to either penetrate their defense or get enough men forward to attack incisively.
that leaves us with fewer opportunities to score.
which means, such teams shd better have at least one ( if not two ) freekick specialists or a set of moves to score off set pieces.

god only knows how many chances such teams get to score ( to win or draw the game ).
do we ?
I saw the freekicks in both syria and uae games.
they were mostly horrible, barring a few.
and that is NOT good enough, I'm afraid.

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once the team gets going and becomes cohesive, however, I'd rather see a proper 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 formation.
but that's for later ( when Denizli takes over in a few weeks. )

yup, dont be surprised if you see this.
btw, today, I just missed meeting Denizli and his translator by a few hours at one of my pals' cafe !
I' trying to meet him , maybe for a short talk/interview.
later on that.

[Mansoor]

First, I hope Ghalenoei realizes we only need ONE point from Syria match to stay in the race. None is needed from Korea but it is nice to have more. With that, if you wanna line that up, this is my suggestion:

-----------------Mirzapour--------------------

----Shakouri(Sadeghi)-Fekri(Nosrati)-Rezaei----

Kaabi-------Teymourian-Nekuname------Vahedi
---------Kia-------------------Karimi----------

----------------Hashemian-------------------

Line that up and we'll have the ONE point guaranteed, 4 points likely.

[yashar_fasihnia]

under NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES , I , personally, dont like 4-5-1 or 3-6-1 formations, unless we are playing against really strong teams.

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yup, dont be surprised if you see this.
btw, today, I just missed meeting Denizli and his translator by a few hours at one of my pals' cafe !
I' trying to meet him , maybe for a short talk/interview.
later on that.

thanx for ur time doctor jan.
i just hope we qualify to AC2007, then denizli is a very good option for TM.

however, for the time being, and yes, i was referring to the korea game when i said converting to 3-6-1 formation.

our freekicks were poor, nekounam's, kazemiyans and mobali too i think took one or two freekicks. and we have lost our good "sarzans" like sohrab, yahya and daei. we got only hashemian left who will be most probably covered. so its upto the likes of nekounam, nikki, sadeghi, shakouri and rezai to try their chances. these guys are quite tall and able to head the ball between defenders but their headers are not really anything to talk about. they might need around 5 or 6 chances to score 1 which is quite hard to get, specially against a team like korea.

but this is all we got, and since our wisest option is to go to seoul for a draw, i think we need to go with a 3-6-1.


thanx again for ur time!

[yashar_fasihnia]

First, I hope Ghalenoei realizes we only need ONE point from Syria match to stay in the race. None is needed from Korea but it is nice to have more. With that, if you wanna line that up, this is my suggestion:
-----------------Mirzapour--------------------
----Shakouri(Sadeghi)-Fekri(Nosrati)-Rezaei----
Kaabi-------Teymourian-Nekuname------Vahedi
---------Kia-------------------Karimi----------
----------------Hashemian-------------------
Line that up and we'll have the ONE point guaranteed, 4 points likely.

nice lineup mansour khan, only thing is nikki there.
i havent really seen much of him lately, and by playing kia there, atleast we can make a spot for a more effective player like kazemi or another attacking midfielder like mobali (he hasnt shown anything either) or just a second forward like akbarpour who is always running up and down the field participating in offense and defense. with him, we can have a formation which undergoes a transitiion from 3-5-2 to 3-6-1 during the game.
wat say?

Something like this..

-------------Mirzapour/talebloo--------------------
----Rezai-------Fekri(Nosrati)----Sadeghi------------
Kaabi-------Teymourian-Nekuname------kia
-----akbarpour-------------Karimi----------
----------------Hashemian-------------------

which will change to ..

-------------Mirzapour/talebloo--------------------
----Rezai-------Fekri(Nosrati)----Sadeghi------------
Kaabi-------Teymourian-Nekuname------kia
---------------------Karimi----------------------
------------akbarpour----Hashemian-----------------

during attack considering akbarpour's speed and stamina to run in the field for almost the whole 90 minutes or so.


thanx for replying agha mansour.

[Hajagha]

Totally agree, however I put only 1 defensive mid in the squad, menaing Kazemi must sit on the bench. Instead I bring Shojaei right besides Karimi and give Karimi more freedom. In this formation Nekonam is not DM but a centeral mid allwing to attack and show up in the penalty box as well. Here is my list:


----------------Taleblo--------------

-------RD--------CD-----------LD

---------------Teymorian ----------

Kia------------Nekonam-------Madanchi

--------------Karimi--Shojaei---------

---------------Hashemian-------------

[yashar_fasihnia]

Totally agree, however I put only 1 defensive mid in the squad, menaing Kazemi must sit on the bench. Instead I bring Shojaei right besides Karimi and give Karimi more freedom. In this formation Nekonam is not DM but a centeral mid allwing to attack and show up in the penalty box as well. Here is my list:
----------------Taleblo--------------
-------RD--------CD-----------LD
---------------Teymorian ----------
Kia------------Nekonam-------Madanchi
--------------Karimi--Shojaei---------
---------------Hashemian-------------

thanx hajagha for ur post, but is shojaei available for the game against korea??

and wat about kaabi?? u wanna leave him out??

and btw, in my formation too, i got only 1 real DM and that is kazemi. nekounam and teymourian both are central midfielders who can freely participate in attack and defense, control the game, pass around the ball and basically lead our team.

[Hajagha]

thanx hajagha for ur post, but is shojaei available for the game against korea??
and wat about kaabi?? u wanna leave him out??
and btw, in my formation too, i got only 1 real DM and that is kazemi. nekounam and teymourian both are central midfielders who can freely participate in attack and defense, control the game, pass around the ball and basically lead our team.

I haven't seen much potential of Teymourian able leading the team, however he is the best in destruction strategy what a DM does. To be totally happy, I wish we could have a better Mobali to replace him with Teymourian and put Nekonam in his natural place as DM, but Mobali is not the player I wish for nowadays. Besides, when you have one striker, you have to add, at least, two attacking midfielders, to join him, such a ability is only in Karimi and Shojaei as far as I know, we may have some other players that I am not aware of, but I know we don't have in the TM squad who have played so far.

About Ka'abi, I haven't put him aside, the formation does. In a 3 defense formation, a 165 CM player has no place in the defense line. In the midfield, he is not more than a sub for Kia then. Remember, both Shojaei and Karimi can play on the line, thanks to their high technical ability, that's why we don't need to add another winger more than Kia and Madanchi in this formation.

You asked if Shojaei is available or not? I don't know, I hope so though.

[Muradistan]

first of all, sohrab bakhtiyarizadeh has retired, he wont be available for TM anymore.
Secondly, rezai i doubt can play sweeper position, he will most probably play in the position u have given to sohrab in ur formation there.
now, in my opinion, u have formed 2 strong wings for TM but a relatively weak central midfield which can be exploited by the opponent, and once we lose the battle inthe midfield, the opponent will start dictating its game on us which is not wat we want.
mobali doesnt deserve to start in my opinion specially when we have the likes of teymourian on the bench. in fact, i think teymourian will suit that formation of urs more than nekounam simply because he has more stamina and can cover more ground.
but i really cant see either of teymourian or nekounam being benched at the expense of players like mobali or even nikki.
maybe we can just replace mobali with teymourian, place him in the center with nekounam while maintaining our 2 good flanks. atleast these 2 can win more tackles in the middle of the field and destroy the opponents constructive plays and then move the ball to the wings and create an attack,
but this is just my opinion, thanx for ur input.

My bad about Sohrab, didn't know. I use Mobali because he's important to TM, Teymourian is too similair to Nekounam. Having Teymourian on because he's in form, over Mobali who is a playmaker which TM desperately needs isn't right. I have to say it, Teymourian shouldn't be starting in TM, atleast not now. The players we have already have basically taken all the spots he could play and he's not better than Kia, Nekounam, Karimi, etc. So we need a playmaker who better than Mobali. Nikki has strong crosses and shots, who can do what he can offensively at left w/b? No one I know of. Also that midfield is what I prize most, especially because I find our midfield so clumped and unorganized with too many similair roles. Nikki and Kaebi will certianly push up on the wings to create space for who ever is in the middle. But I do agree it's a little bare, especially if we play a strong NT, then we may need to put in a Teymourian type player, but only if Nekounam relinquishes his defensive duties and becomes the needed playmaker.

Also I noticed what you said is practically what Mansoor has. And I like that formation, but its the mentality are we counter attackers, or do want ball possesion, etc. I like to thing of our team would play the wings.

[yashar_fasihnia]

I haven't seen much potential of Teymourian able leading the team, however he is the best in destruction strategy what a DM does. To be totally happy, I wish we could have a better Mobali to replace him with Teymourian and put Nekonam in his natural place as DM, but Mobali is not the player I wish for nowadays. Besides, when you have one striker, you have to add, at least, two attacking midfielders, to join him, such a ability is only in Karimi and Shojaei as far as I know, we may have some other players that I am not aware of, but I know we don't have in the TM squad who have played so far.
About Ka'abi, I haven't put him aside, the formation does. In a 3 defense formation, a 165 CM player has no place in the defense line. In the midfield, he is not more than a sub for Kia then. Remember, both Shojaei and Karimi can play on the line, thanks to their high technical ability, that's why we don't need to add another winger more than Kia and Madanchi in this formation.
You asked if Shojaei is available or not? I don't know, I hope so though.

hmm, i was talking about kaabi as a midfielder on the right and kia on the left since mansour said he can and was supposed to play, so this way we play both kia and kaabi and bench a less effective player like nikki or madanchi.
but anywayz, this is just my opinion.

thanx for telling me urs

[yashar_fasihnia]

My bad about Sohrab, didn't know. I use Mobali because he's important to TM, Teymourian is too similair to Nekounam. Having Teymourian on because he's in form, over Mobali who is a playmaker which TM desperately needs isn't right. I have to say it, Teymourian shouldn't be starting in TM, atleast not now. The players we have already have basically taken all the spots he could play and he's not better than Kia, Nekounam, Karimi, etc. So we need a playmaker who better than Mobali. Nikki has strong crosses and shots, who can do what he can offensively at left w/b? No one I know of. Also that midfield is what I prize most, especially because I find our midfield so clumped and unorganized with too many similair roles. Nikki and Kaebi will certianly push up on the wings to create space for who ever is in the middle. But I do agree it's a little bare, especially if we play a strong NT, then we may need to put in a Teymourian type player, but only if Nekounam relinquishes his defensive duties and becomes the needed playmaker.
Also I noticed what you said is practically what Mansoor has. And I like that formation, but its the mentality are we counter attackers, or do want ball possesion, etc. I like to thing of our team would play the wings.

ok, thanx for ur time

[Ali Chicago]

I think 3-6-1 is a mistake

Iran doesn't have the defensive know how and structure and on the front doesn't have the quality forward that can take advantage of few opportunities that might come toward him in 3-6-1.

To be honest, If I had my way, I would have gone with a 3-4-3 and totally surprise Koreans.

This is the team that we beat them 6-2 once and in China beat 4-3 or 3-2 was it? Why we should go there with an absolute defensive strategy.
Even if we go with that mentality with the lack of a high quality goalie I don't think it will work for us.

Btw Shojai played one half for Sharjeh. Karimi still in doubt and he isn't supposed to be in the next week's Bayer's line up either. So really doubtful.
Anyone knows what happened to Badavi? He signed with Esteghlale Ahwaz but he was injured.


I wish for Iran's success regardless.

Ali

[Doctor DOOM]

To be honest, If I had my way, I would have gone with a 3-4-3 and totally surprise Koreans.
This is the team that we beat them 6-2 once and in China beat 4-3 or 3-2 was it? Why we should go there with an absolute defensive strategy.

ali jan, for the exact reasons you said that Iran doesnt have proper defense or ... also the fact that this is a team which has most of its players uncoordinated.
also the staff being new and ...

basically the major changes that has ocurred at the team makes such bold moves more risky for US than the opposite team.

beleive me, anyone would prefer an attacking team to one that is cautious.
but given all the factos of GN's team at this point in time, I think it'll be us, Iranians who will get the biggest - and harshest - surprise, if we go in with a 3-4-3 or alike !

[yashar_fasihnia]

thankyou both ali_chicago and doctor doom for ur contribution to this thread