who was defending branko and dadkan .... ?

[Doctor DOOM]

I remember many were defending dadkan and branko, and some in fact said dadkan has been successful !!

I would like these azizan to explain this:

I remember I asked this question when branko was sent by the fed'n , and when he was supposed to have attended the IPL games to find good players for the team:
which federation sends its head coach to pick camps and ... ?
shdnt they have others do this?

doesnt this prove to be one more mark in INCOMPETENCE chart of dadkan ?
hala hey be sar o seenatoon bezanin begin dadkan khoobeh ( just becoz he hasnt fired branko's arse yet !!! )





now, to branko:
ok.'dadkan is an idiot imbecile.
why did branko agree?

why shd he go and book a camp at some location, when he does NOT KNOW WHERE HIS TEAM SHD BE for the games ?

Now, ... lo and behold.
turns out the camp is not an ideal one and we gotta move and change it , meaning new contracts, watse of money, and most probably not get an ideal location, as we are stupid enough to do this last !!

an experienced head coach would have waited or told the IFF imbeciles to wait till the draw is made.

the DIFFERENCE between a TRUE HEAD COACH , and a jumped-up assistant coach is shown in such matters.

yet again, one more mark on branko's unsuitablity as a HEAD coach.
I am sure he is a very capable assistant.
but as a head coach, who has the final say in things?
NOWAY is he qualified .... yet.

and the sad thing is ; he is learning ( by trial and error ) at OUR expense !!


way to go !!
now 3 cheers for branko.

[smanhoobi]

Peyman jaan:

I am nobody to answer those questions. But, here is my thoughts over this. And I have tried many times to face you with some realities about our contry and the level of professionality existing within our country, yet I have to give opinions over these questions you ask. However , here we go again:

Quote from you:
"shdnt they have others do this?"

True Peyman jaan, they should. But you cant simply create a person from none. So the answer to your question is that almost none exists in Iran who has the capability, ability, knowledge in international affairs in Iran to choose the ideal one. As much as this federation is unable to fullfil that need from within, other federations were incapable too.

The only person in IFF who is probably capable enough to take care of these matters is Timsar Noamouz. He is/was the only one with high degree of ties with international football in the past. But, I am sure he also has agreed to give this responsibility to Branko because they are giving freedom of choice to Branko in many matters in contrast to past history in Iran. This not only holds for selecting venues, but in player selection and stuff. I know, so many people will jump on me in player selection area, but to me and based on my questionings, this is a fact at least in my opinion.

Now. Do we have capable people who are able to do this for Iran among the 70 million inside and a few million outside Iran? Sure we do. But, things does not work like this in Iran. The only way this whole issue of TM and its destiny can work is for Dadkan and Co. to be on top of everything. Believe me, they are fighting with so many things simultaneously. It is a day by day challenge. Otherwise, TM would go to World Cup with their underwares with the lenght of the shorts being below knee level. Sarcasm, but very true.

Therefore, in criticising, you need to know a few facts. You still can criticise them and there is no problem. But I feel some injustice in it when you do not see other realities involved.

Now, in the middle of all this crap, a Head Coach like Branko has accepted to do beyond his obligations for this team. Key word is "Beyond his Obligations". This means that, he did not need to do this at all, but he does it cause he wants to cooperate. This is another injustice to a man who is dedicating beyond his obligations to this team. Its really injustice by you Peyman jaan.

Peyman jaan. Good or bad, Branko is really working hard for this team. Human and Branko had explained so many times in different places that TM coach has these players in his disposal only few days prior to any games so far. Now few days may work for EPL players or spanish league or Bundesliga players. But it wont work for IPL players or even legionnaires of Iran. A team is consisted of 11 players. When all are not in the same level of infrastructural knowledge of modern football, even having players like karimi or Mehdi or Rezaei would not help much. And 5 years argument is not valid here. Count the days within this 5 years that Branko could continuously work with these guys. Specially the IPL ones. Its minimal and Branko is not a god.

I accept this notion by Branko and Human whole heartedly but not at its face value. I looked at times when this team was under Branko's exclusive direction in longer camps ( eg AC 2004). This team delivered good in those periods and one of the main reasons for it was a longer camp before those games. In contrary of what you think, I think TM performed very well in AC based on the circumstances on those days. Very, very good. A few more examples for the effect of longer camps on TM with Branko can be seen elsewhere too. One just needs to be free of any "already made" opinion about Branko and think objectively about this matter.

I am sure that TM will perform much better once we get into a longer camp period. Branko's approach to players are friendly. All professional coaches approach to players should be friendly. Cause no matter how much you tell them, it is the player who plays it. So , Branko gives a lot of credit to players and plays according to their interests too. Cause that is the only way they can/will deliver for him. Creating a friendly atmosphere with mutual respect. Thats the theme.

As for the change of venue for the camp. I have no information on it. But lets suppose it is true. Noone, Peyman jaan, knows why? There might be some valid reasons behind it which was worth a try. Those decisions are made based on certain circumstances. But at least when those circumstances are not met, there is a crew out there who does not fear to change them. Thats a good attitude and not a bad one in my opinion.

Again Peyman jaan. You always view Branko as a cheap, selfish and a monster who is doing all these stuff and laughs at us. You, to some extent, view him as a thief. You look at him as someone who is stubburn and does not listen to Soheil, Peyman, Zolfagharnasab, Jalali and ..... Your bias is that what you think is right is not necessarily right for Branko. He is not obliged to listen to anyone when he had a degree of success in Iranian football that we never tasted it in the past 2 decades at least.

I know Peyman jaan. This team is not in a very good shape. But as I mentioned many times, there might be very valid reasons apart from IFF or Branko for us being like that. Very valid reasons that is obvious to the eyes of everyone but it is a "shame" to talk about them and explaining them and admitting them will have a bad effect on the team who struggles from many sides.

You want Branko to admit certain stuff publically? He will NEVER do that. Its not professional for him to do that. Its not. You know something, you try to fix tham as much as you can. You know that you have both the intelligence and qualification to at least understand the problems and try YOUR best in fixing them. Branko will NEVER do that in the unprofesional, Iranian way. Never. He will never criticise his players (Nosrati, Mirzapour and ......) publically. He is a professional and he KNOWS that this is what Iran has got. Its not the best. They may not get it. But, thats what he has handy. So he should be patient with them and actually praise them in public and yet try his best to give them a professional way of "Gooshmali" in accordance to our "Culture".

Based on above, although I would love to see a much better Iran, I admire the man for bringing a sense of professionality in dealing with things in Iran.

No, Branko is not stubborn. He is using his very right of the profession by sticking to the rules he set forward for himself, based on success rate he sees on paper for himself and based on the level of football in Iran and the circumstances of the country in political and cultural terms. I think, Branko is a hero. He has become more Iranian than many of our hamvatans. In that, he is also smart enough in protecting his own rights as any human should do.

The right mentality is not the mentality of obeyance. Its the mentality of being yourself, believing in yourself, defending yourself and defending everything that helps your objectives. In that, listening to others is always helpfull. Nevertheless, you should not always "Obey". Unless a written law has been set for it.

Thanks
Soheil

[Martin-Reza]

What are you even talking about??

Between all the outbursts of hate, bold and big letters in order to make this look more important and attacks against people you obviously dislike, I figured out the camp location had to be changed?

Maybe provide some info or link next time so people know the facts first.

[Amirza]

Good point -
Since when coaches go around locating camp sites ?
Certainly not many - except those who at some point were desprate enough to accept the "Assisstant Coach Job" in the Islamic Republic of Iran !!!
As some of you pointed out - why would any decent European coach want to come to Iran - especialy as an assistant ?

[faraz]

Soheil Jan - simply amazing post. There is so much that can be learned and taken from it.

DD Jan - please do acknoweldge the LIMITATIONS that Branko has to deal with day in and day out.

Please. And I think the notion of "Branko should demand this or "why did Branko agree" is simply not thinking about the situation - you think Branko would last a DAY if he simply refused all of the IFF's wishes?

C'mon Peyman Jan, who are you kidding?

This is the IFF!

[Doctor DOOM]

soheil jan,
I am sorry bro, but I cant accept "IFF has no-one to do such jobs"

for the following reasons:

1- IFF, whether we like it or not, is not a 3 man operation, holed in a small room in the attic of some building.
they are a rather powerful and big organization in Iranian sports.
in fact, the MOST powerful.
not even wrestling or weight-lifting fed'ns come close to them in terms of finance & budget, influence, man power, ... .

so shd/do they have ppl for all these jobs?
YES.

2- the camp he selected , apparently is the SAME camp we had been to before.
so the excuse of inspecting the facilities, or environment or location, is out the window too.
he has been there, and has seen it all.
what's there to see again?



na dadash.
na soheil jan, it WAS a mistake to send him to get the camp, let alone the one he had been to before.

and as amireza said, if at all he wants to know....., for example if they removed that pine tree from the corner of the south lawn, which was infront of the tennis court, which was used to play tennis-football ( or whatever they call it ) by our boys ... he could have sent any of his assistants.
he certainly has P.L.E.N.T.Y. of assistants, some of them with no real effect , anyway.



and my second point is still : why did they select the camp site when they didnt know ehere they are going to be ?

you say noone knew.
I'd say IFF is a full of imbeciles who lack common sense. ( my first original point )
but branko at least, having been exposed to this and that shd have told them what is what .
why didnt he?

the answer is clear:
none of the above two entities ( IFF and coach ) are experienced enough on such matters.
IFF, well.... becoz it is not as if we reach the WC everyday , so they have lost all their dast o pacheh's and fumbled all over the place.

for branko, also the same thing can be said.
being an assistant coach, means a lot of major decisions are already made by the HEAD coach, and the ass't coach merely carries out orders.
decisions such as this and many others, that comprises of the line separating a HEAD coach and an ASSISTANT coach.


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soheil jan, I am sure he is working hard.
I never said he is sitting at home on his arse and enjoying mashalah-cola .

we have had a geziliion threads on this and dont want to take it into his technical merits and capabilites .

but as they saying goes:
"your best is not good enough".

he may have been just fine and adequate for the ASIAN competitions and teams.
he is out of his league for the WC.
it IS the truth.
and such novince acts under-line this hard truth.


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length of camps:
soheil jan, actually I think you may have been mistaken to think I said AC2004 was a bad performance.
in fact I always say, that was the height of his accomplishments.
and it is only AFTER AC2004 that the team dipped and we see the continuation of this dip even now.

and ALL over the world, int'l coaches have to and do deal with minimum contact with all their players.
it is nothing new, yet many DO produce great teams in the process ... even when they've had minimal time with their players.

in fact the MARK of a good ( not even great ) coach is such facts.

and btw, fifa has announced they are going to stop all club competitions in europe only 2 WEEKS prior to the games.
so if any of us has any illusions of a month and half long camp, we'd better dispell it right now.

my point is we need someone who has the ability to get the job done WITH all these restrictions.
yes, if we COULD have all the main players for month and half or 2, I am sure we'd be in better shape.
but if wishes were horses, pigs would fly.
we know we are NOT going to get that.

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"he will never criticise his players publicly" ?

soheil jan .... are you sure?
I think many members will remember such occasions and names like mobaali and nosrati come to mind immediately.

you may have missed those issues, as you may have been budy with something else.
no-one is holding anything against you.
but you must allow for such facts that may have been missed in your review of Iran's football.

[Doctor DOOM]

here's another great FEAT accomplished by aghayan:



http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...friendlies.jpg

[Doctor DOOM]

hmm.. sweden comes to middle east and plays saudi ( which is fine ), but 5 days later, plays JORDAN !!!!


yes, u heard it right ; JORDAN !

the same jordan who hasnt even passed the preliminary round of qualifiers !
they get to play with sweden, and Iran, who has already qualified is no interested in arranging a game with the swedes !!!!!!

one question:
how much of fear is good for us ?

[faraz]

Quite shameful. We should have definitely tried to get Sweden, especially because they decided to play in the area. I doubt it would be that difficult, especially because we ARE a WC team - a label that could undoubtedly help us get friendlies - if the IFF wants to get off its arse and make a move (which i highly doubt).

To be honest, if we get TWO decent friendlies, i'll be throwing my hat up in the air.

[smanhoobi]

how much of fear is good for us ?

Peyman jaan:

I would also ask, How much Sweden Got for this game? The answer to this question is as important as the answer to yours. I think we might be in different pages on this.

Thanks
Soheil

[Amirza]

DD Jaan,
You are asking a good question regarding fear. However beware of the following 2 issues:

1- I challenge you to look into every aspect of management in Iran's current government and find a single competant person !! Our government is fundamentaly flaud - founded on the basis of "Taahod" (loyalty) and not "Takhasos"(Profficiency). While I do agree that people must be loyal to serve, but guess what ? Loyalty can be easily "Faked" as hundreds of incompetant IRI managers such as Dadkan - have done just that - often becoming Kaseh Dagh Tar az Ash when it comes to practice of religion.

2- Your point about Sweden puts too much weight in "friendlies" as if all of our problems will be resolved getting a few good friendlies - which based on reading your past posts, I know is not your intention.

What we need in our football is Oraganization, management, science, logic....
factors which currently just do not exist in our football - simply because our football concience as a whole is still focused on side issues such as: friendlies, Gheyrat, Roohieh, ...........

[Doctor DOOM]

Peyman jaan:
I would also ask, How much Sweden Got for this game? The answer to this question is as important as the answer to yours. I think we might be in different pages on this.
Thanks
Soheil

soheil jan,
before I even venture on sweden's fees ( which a poorer-than-us country like jordan can afford to pay ) , I would like to remind you of the HUGE amount of money fifa has allotted us for exactly SUCH occasions: conducting frinedlies and getting teams ready for the WC .

so how much did they demand?
who cares.
if jordan can afford it, so can we, especially after fifa's donations/aid.

which brings us back to square one:
why didnt we pursue such teams for friendlies?

and how much FEAR is good ?


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amireza jan,

I am not saying playing friendlies will remove all our problems.
but they will surely reveal our weaknesses, thus giving the coach and players a chance to remedy them and get better.

also it provides a much needed experience for the younger players. so that when they face big teams at the WC, they will not be intimidated and fearful of them.


there is a little story on the subject:
some chap, who was lost, enquired about the address of his destination and asked : "how do I reach Carnegie Hall ? "

the answer was: "practice and practice some more".

which underlines the proverb: Practice makes perfect.

[BehzadB]

The points raised here are all examples of how incapable Dadkan has been. There are far too many such examples of incompetence in IPL, and First league games. Most of these are not IFF's fault. Some are. Most are ignored, and NONE are explained to the public. And that's what makes people sick and angry.

People have good sense of undrestanding IF the problems and short commings are explained to them. When Dadkan is running away from All media and TV, and noone from IFF is available to explain anything in an official capacity, then people have a huge misundrestanding of what the problems are and why they don't get fixed. This has been the most negetive part of Dadkans tenure at IFF.

It is funny that Dadkan announces his retirement from IFF 7 months in advance. Can anyone explain that? Did he think that anyone cares? Or is it a game? Like Daie, who announced that he will leave TM after the WC, to say I WILL be there. Compare that to all the many millions of times that he (chaploosaneh) said on TV that "it is the coach that decideds if I play or not..". Someone should have reminded him that the final list of TM players for the WC have NOT been announced yet. he is basically saying that he is closing his "Dokoon" after the WC. And that, from one of our BEST.

Noone can deny that there are many fundamental problems that can not be blamed on people like Dadkan. However, NOT to plan friendly games has only two excuse at this point. Money and fear of defeat (which raises preasure on the coaching staff).

It is hard for me to believe that the money issue has much to do with not playing Sweden, since it is a WC year and many teams are after prepration and there are deals out there to be made. Besides, as we all know Fifa has paid (or will pay) a big chunk of money to IFF which MUST (and will) be used for Football.

As far as who can make such arrangements I have to disagree with Soheil jaan in terms of IFF not having anyone good enough to do so. These games are planned through International Agencies who do these for a living. Dadkan has said this many times. So not haveing anyone to plan these games for us is an excuse.

I think at this point considering that our TM has been horrible, having lost most of its games lately, the media preasure had been immense, but subsided as of late (except in DD's posts ) and another likley loss to Sweden would have brought up the preasure and a great chance that the coaching staff WOULD have been fired. (except Faraki ofcourse )

And that is my opinion.

[zzgloo]

There is issue here I like to talk about,that may appear to be that I am defending dadkan, but, I am only trying to be objective....

We , on this site, are mostly Iranians who leave in europe or USA , and are accustom to a more efficient managements.....

Have you all been in Iran lately, and have you tried to do something done in Iran ...???

In , Iran, if you want to deposit a check in your bank, is a dilema.
In, Iran, if you want to do something in Shahrdari, it will take a 4 to 5 mounth, of wakeing up early, and stay in long lines,for weeks after weeks, and at the end, the prson you want to see, is either not there, or will tell you to come next week anyway.
In , Iran, 70% of the dayly car trafic on the streets,is due, to people wanting to do a tast for the 10 th time, that could have been done by a phone call in Europe and USA.
In, Iran, the no one maneges any place because he knows how, he is chosen for that job, because of other considerations !!!!
I can go on and tell you, how many people will cry in Iran, for inability of doing something very simple.....
IN general, the system is .....F...., up !!!!..................
And believe me, Dadkan, actualy may be very efficient considering the system.

[Amirza]

zz jaan -
everything you said is true - but all these problems are the result of having incompetant managers such as Dadkan.