Iran's U-19 team's problems, IMHO:

[Doctor DOOM]

Today our U-19 team got humiliated by a team that finds it very hard to play simple friendly games outside its country, North Korea.

did the north koreans really dominate us?
NO. I didnt see domination.

but what I saw was their organization and passing ability which got the better of our "national fasination"; "dribbling" !

I always say, "take away "dribbling" from Iranian football and we will improve by leaps and bounds."
Today's game is clear proof of this.
while the koreans passed the ball well on that un-even pitch, our youth insisted and persisted on individualistic fits of dribbling, which got them absolutely NOWHERE!

well, that clarifies why we never got a whiff at scoring a goal.
but what about the defense?

their defense was simply HORRIBLE.
PITIFUL.
DISGRACEFUL.

be heech hamleh'ee "NA" nagoftand ... no matter how watery and minimal the attack by the koreans !
absolutely shoddy defending and coverage.

THIS, I blame the coach completely.
then again, I must question the sanity of hiring a brazilian coach for our teams.
if you go up, back to my saying on 'Iranians and their zeal to dribble', you'd see; "koor az khoda chi mikhad? ye "ray-ban"-e toop" !!!!

confused?
let me expound.

we all know our traditional weakness in football, be it in clubs or national teams, is defense and defending strategies.

we also know brazil's football's traditional weakness is , lo and behold, the same "defending".

now, I question the sanity of hiring a brazilian coach who is NOT the answer to our wants and needs.
( do NOT confuse it with hiring a wimpy, gutless and negative coach from eastern europe . no need for such drastic measures)

yes, the brazilian is the type who may appreciate and even advocate a good dribble or two. he may even stand up and clap when his players do a neat "La'ee".
but come on people, is he going to solve our problems?
I doubt it.

That's why I say the best coaches for our football, who not only will add and solve our problems in defending, but also in organization and teamwork, are either french or dutch coaches.


so back to our "koor", the way to solve this poor "koor" ( ) is give him what he LACKS, not what he is wrongly obssessed with.


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no disrespect to Simoez, though, whom I think is doing fine.
but then again, he hasnt been REALLY TESTED yet, has he?

[taha]

Today our U-19 team got humiliated by a team that finds it very hard to play simple friendly games outside its country, North Korea.
did the north koreans really dominate us?
NO. I didnt see domination.
but what I saw was their organization and passing ability which got the better of our "national fasination"; "dribbling" !
I always say, "take away "dribbling" from Iranian football and we will improve by leaps and bounds."
Today's game is clear proof of this.
while the koreans passed the ball well on that un-even pitch, our youth insisted and persisted on individualistic fits of dribbling, which got them absolutely NOWHERE!
well, that clarifies why we never got a whiff at scoring a goal.
but what about the defense?
their defense was simply HORRIBLE.
PITIFUL.
DISGRACEFUL.
be heech hamleh'ee "NA" nagoftand ... no matter how watery and minimal the attack by the koreans !
absolutely shoddy defending and coverage.
THIS, I blame the coach completely.
then again, I must question the sanity of hiring a brazilian coach for our teams.
if you go up, back to my saying on 'Iranians and their zeal to dribble', you'd see; "koor az khoda chi mikhad? ye "ray-ban"-e toop" !!!!
confused?
let me expound.
we all know our traditional weakness in football, be it in clubs or national teams, is defense and defending strategies.
we also know brazil's football's traditional weakness is , lo and behold, the same "defending".
now, I question the sanity of hiring a brazilian coach who is NOT the answer to our wants and needs.
( do NOT confuse it with hiring a wimpy, gutless and negative coach from eastern europe . no need for such drastic measures)
yes, the brazilian is the type who may appreciate and even advocate a good dribble or two. he may even stand up and clap when his players do a neat "La'ee".
but come on people, is he going to solve our problems?
I doubt it.
That's why I say the best coaches for our football, who not only will add and solve our problems in defending, but also in organization and teamwork, are either french or dutch coaches.
so back to our "koor", the way to solve this poor "koor" ( ) is give him what he LACKS, not what he is wrongly obssessed with.
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no disrespect to Simoez, though, whom I think is doing fine.
but then again, he hasnt been REALLY TESTED yet, has he?

Add Italian aswell, Generally a well thought out and correct post. INDIVIDUALISM will make us fall.

taha

[Mansoor]

Well, Peyman jaan, I am glad you are beginning to see the light. Good observation and one of the better analysis I have read from you so far, of course except the part about your usual obsession w/ Branko. And again, the argument was never about Branko, but about our shortcomings and our options ...

[The-Red]

all i know is that this is a true shame for us as this result, i do not care at what level, is not excusable in any way, especially against a country such as NK, that it's way behind us in the sport...this is a national tragedy as far as football is concerned,,,but due to the upcoming derby, not enough attention was paid to it....
over and over again we lose out in these tournaments and of course nothing fundamental is done about it...when the roots are screwed up, you can not expect much...when you have a govt like IR. running things,,,we shall see more of these results, in different sports. I hate to bring politics into it,,,but our football should not lose to NK in such a way,,it just should not happen.

[Hadi]

The solution is simple.

Our teams at youth level MUST WORK WITH EXPERIENCED FOREIGN COACHES.

[Ali Chicago]

The solution is simple.

Our teams at youth level MUST WORK WITH EXPERIENCED FOREIGN COACHES.

I totally agree with having a good experienced foreign coach and no problem there, but thinking getting a coach will solve our problem at best is very simplistic. Amazing how simplistic at times we think and try to make the game too simple. There are so many other problems that we all know, like lack of organization, money fields, etc which we all know. But we have one major major probelm among our fans and plaeyrs as well and that is we are totally "emotional" creatures. That is why our team is so unpredictable in all levels. This is part of our Iranian identity I guess. Other thing is that we totally overestimate our soccer abilities and we always have to win. Otherwise, someone has to be at fault and needs to be fired.

Until the time that we learn that even every deafeat can teach us something and try to learn from that defeat, situation won't improve by much.

I say we all are very emotioanl, what you will say if Iran beats Japan now? All of a sudden this defeaut will be pushed under the rug!!!! BTW, I hope they do beat Japan at least to improve their self confidence and learn something about mental side of the game.


This is a youth team. Any team can have a bad day but specially in youth soccer (emotional maturity and strenght is of utter importnat). They (youth players) simply lack the mental strength and experience to rebound from that. Iran's soccer is financially poor and IFF is this and that and no foreiegn coach and all that, but Iran never again will loose like this to N. Korea. To me it was a fluke team had a horrible day. That is all there is into it. Guess game against Japan (if they play well) will show if I was right or wrong.

I hope we as fans become more educated too and realize at time our team plays poor and still those players did their best and need support while maintaing a positive critical attitude toward authorities. Specially more educate fans lik Football+ memebers hava a crucial role to educated and calm down the raw emotion of younger fans. As Kennedy former US president said one " Don't ask What your country can do for you, ask what I can do for my country". So, let us as a simple fan do something to help our soccer not constantly create a negative atmosphere around it.

[Doctor DOOM]

the probelm with IFF and general football fan in Iran is that they are not patient.
( however, we must also know when to cut our losses when sliding down, at the same time - hint to an "over-sensitive" member here )

they want results as soon as possible !
look what they did to the poor Begovic at pp.
the coach had proven himself in being capable of building a TEAM from scratch , at foolad ... if given time.
and foolad's managment did allow him enough time to develop and prepare the team, and in return, he delivered.

but at pp, the fans were snaping at his heels from the word go.
coupled with parvin's usual destructive antics and provocation of fans against him and the team ...., all led to pp's failure and begovic' dismissal.

and all this is at our "top flight" football where everything is exposed and followed by the fans.

now imagine our youth competitions, where hardly any fan cares about what goes on.
imagine how lax and irreverent the IFF would be to the moto of development and preparation!
these kids dont get the right attention, nor the facilities, or enough budget or .... .
and to top this pile of crap, the IFF makes cursery and very stupid decisions in handling the team in terms of hiring coaches, preparatory games, .... !
one clear example is how our Omid teams and U-20 teams have suffered from lack of attention from IFF and its lack of coordination in regards to clearing the players for their military services, when the time for visits abroad comes.

as long as I can remember our teams have lost many influential players in major competitions held abroad, due to this very issue: clearnace of military services !
come to think of it, I think one reason we did go to the youth world cup under monajati was becoz the qualifiers were held in IRAN, and we didnt face such issues.
although, that is not to say we didnt suffer from this when the time came to actually go to the WC, coz we sure did !


anyway, this lack of attention and disregard of youth football is evident in many issues, one being hiring of coaches for these teams and conducting acceptable preparations for them.

apart from farahani's era, I cant recall any IFF had done anything to improve or even remedy the matter, after the revolution.
the present one no different from the rest !


so when they hire just any fellow, based on his passport not issued from Iran, so they can boast "oh we hired a foreign coach, so we did our job", that too weeks before a major comp'n, then we cant expect any progress.

no planning, no program or scheduling, no investment, ... hell, no attention given to our youth programs and teams will slowly KILL our football.

IFF shd realize just running after their two main agendas :
1- pro league
2- TM seniors, will NOT take our football anywhere but down.




I also MUST add this, to complete the circle, if we want to improve our football:
WE SHD THROW AWAY OUR DESTRUCTIVE FASCINATION WITH "DRIBBLING".
if we can get our youth to understand "passing is more important than dribbling", then we're halfway home.

beleive me.

[Darvish11]

dutch coaches.

I really hope that that will happen someday