Iran - Korea

[Doctor DOOM]

khabalood jan, despite all the bad pre-WC reviews and predictions about mirzapoor, he was extremely good in those games.

yes, he did make a mistake, but he saved our arses many times more to more than balance things.

our loss to mexico cannot and shd not be blamed on mirza's single mistake, when there was another moron who made SERIES of mistakes from the beginning to the end.
I think it is very unfair to blame that loss on one player, who actually did well apart from that mis-kick.

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on Khatibi:

I understand the complaints.
I know he hasnt fared well and has done many stupid things in the games.
but we dont have a player with characteristics that he offers ON PAPER:

1-pace
2-experience
3-ball skills


yes, we HAD borhani.
but right now, he's worse than my dog on the football picth !
he's getting subbed in UAE league !!
THAT shd tell us the sad story.

Oladi ?
he's just as unreliable as khatibi ... without the experience.

who else has those 3 criteria?


we do have a few new comers who may provide those 3 criteria.
Like Mes' Saber Mirghorbani.
he is young, energetic, fast and skillful.
but not experienced.
altho' I have a feeling GN ( or any TM coach ) will be calling him to the camp very very soon.


so until we find a player who can satisfy these 3 criteria, I think we're gonna see khatibi at the TM camps.
wether we like it or not.




p.s.: to be honest, yesterday he did a fantastic dribble and run into the 18 where he was fouled ( but no penalty was given!!! ).
so as long as he shows stuff like this, I think cutting him would be a bit difficult.

[Hadi]

Something that we are all forgetting here:

Just put aside the fact that GN is an uneducated, inexperienced coach who doesnt know what he is doing and his assistants are worse than himself. The fact that TM is just lost in the pitch playing random passes, many mistakes and no offensive or defensive plan at all.

Another thing is that GN is not the man who can get the best out of our foreign based players. Imagine players like Karimi, Mahdavikia and Rezaie who have worked with Iranian and foreign coaches 10x better than GN suddendly have to obey GN. It's like brigning you from your university class and sitting you in primary school every once in a week. Of course they wont be motivated! Do you think Karimi reacts to GN the same way he does to Magath?

[Hadi]

and about the striker issue, If I were the coach I would give Samereh, Oladi and Borhani another chance.

And I would give the left side of TM DARBAST to Zandi ASAP.

[khabalood]

How can you say that when there was absolutely no pressure on him during the recent games? You can't compare Mexico with Syria. can you? Just wait for a big game, ask Kaebi to back-pass the ball to him and see if he can kick it! I bet he can't.

Mirzapour has been a good goalie for a long time, it was people who unfairly criticized him. come on...even Dida and Casias make stupid mistakes. just watch howmany times Kahn fumbles the ball. does it make him a bad goalie?

but, lets move on. this dicussion is not about Mirzapour or Kaebi.

last word about this.

There is no doubt that Kaebi was our best player in the world cup. His offensive and defensive contributions were priceless.

In bran*** time Mirzapour was the most unstable goaltender in tm. His play was so unstable and he had such a hard time making decision that he would let in ridiculous goals against foolad and was punished by the coach for it. The mistakes he would previously make against weak teams have ceased since bran*** departure, and he appears more solid. It is a joke to even compare the one, or two mistakes top class goaltenders make with the blunders mirzapour use to make continuously against the weakest of teams.

[khabalood]

khabalood jan, despite all the bad pre-WC reviews and predictions about mirzapoor, he was extremely good in those games.

yes, he did make a mistake, but he saved our arses many times more to more than balance things.

our loss to mexico cannot and shd not be blamed on mirza's single mistake, when there was another moron who made SERIES of mistakes from the beginning to the end.
I think it is very unfair to blame that loss on one player, who actually did well apart from that mis-kick.

=================

on Khatibi:

I understand the complaints.
I know he hasnt fared well and has done many stupid things in the games.
but we dont have a player with characteristics that he offers ON PAPER:

1-pace
2-experience
3-ball skills


yes, we HAD borhani.
but right now, he's worse than my dog on the football picth !
he's getting subbed in UAE league !!
THAT shd tell us the sad story.

Oladi ?
he's just as unreliable as khatibi ... without the experience.

who else has those 3 criteria?


we do have a few new comers who may provide those 3 criteria.
Like Mes' Saber Mirghorbani.
he is young, energetic, fast and skillful.
but not experienced.
altho' I have a feeling GN ( or any TM coach ) will be calling him to the camp very very soon.


so until we find a player who can satisfy these 3 criteria, I think we're gonna see khatibi at the TM camps.
wether we like it or not.




p.s.: to be honest, yesterday he did a fantastic dribble and run into the 18 where he was fouled ( but no penalty was given!!! ).
so as long as he shows stuff like this, I think cutting him would be a bit difficult.

Doctor jaan, the moron who made a series of mistakes was the root cause of our catastrophic showing at the world cup. The defensive blunders as well as Mirzapours inability to act properly, played a prominent role as well in our loss to Mexico.

In regards to Khatibi, I have to disagree with you. Even if Khatibi had the qualities of Maradona on paper I would still not play him as long as his performance on the field remained at the dismal level we constantly see. In his last game for tm he hardly made one good pass, which resulted in many turnovers and opportunities for the opposing team late in the game, which could have been costly. He had one show of technique when he chipped the ball over himself, but he forgot to shoot the ball so the play was wasted.

However, if we are going to discuss players on paper Oladi is far more superior than Khatibi.

Oladi
- ball control/dekeing ability
- strength
- shooting technique -> goal scorer
- passing
- strong tackle
- flashes of immaturity

The only draw back is his lack of experience. Unfortunately he has never been given a good chance with tm, which Khatibi and Borhani have both recieved.

I do not see a great difference between Borhani and Khatibi other than Borhani being a better decision maker and subsequently having better scoring and passing ability, which would cause our opponents more distress than Khatibi.

Additionally, these players are young and are worth the investment whereas, no upside can be seen in Khatibis future.

I think Nikbakth and Madanchi have been given enough chances as well. It is time to test potential replacements. At the top of the list should be Manei for the lw position.

[VivaItalia]

[khabalood]

Its good that you post that table, because it proves I was correct all along when I said the Koreans were missing only five players from the team that faced us in Korea. TM was missing four arguably five starters as well, so the teams were equally handicapped.

[VivaItalia]

Its good that you post that table, because it proves I was correct all along when I said the Koreans were missing only five players from the team that faced us in Korea. TM was missing four arguably five starters as well, so the teams were equally handicapped.

Azizam 11-4=7 ---> 64% of the team.

Are you trying to fool me? Or you think I'm stupid?

Yeah, Turkey tied against Italy, should they be crowned as the new world champions now!?

[Arashi_Washi]

So would you guys say Sadeghi is a defender worthy of a team melli spot regurarly???

I mean he is a fantastic defender in my view and next to the likes of Nosrati and Rezai we will have a very strong defence

Sadeghi is the new face in the iranian defence if u ask me

[Hadi]

Sadeghi fouls alot and he is slow but he has good headers and he is young and energetic. Definately a player to keep an eye on.

[khabalood]

Azizam 11-4=7 ---> 64% of the team.

Are you trying to fool me? Or you think I'm stupid?

Yeah, Turkey tied against Italy, should they be crowned as the new world champions now!?

Iran was missing four players, five if you accept Kaebi as a worthy starter. So 11-4=7=64%. With Kaebi it becomes 11-5=6=55% of the team starting. I'm generous so I will accept the higher number of 64% for Iran.

Now Korea was missing five starters which equals 11-5=6=55%.

So the difference is 9% between Iran and Koreas team. Thus, it may be concluded that the teams were relatively equal (as I have stated before), meaning the difference in first team starting players (one more for Iran) does not warrant the excuses of one team being excessively handicapped.

Every day in the world there are teams that have one less starter playing on their team, than their opponents and the result has always been accepted and respected. We should also respect our own victories and not disrespect tm or Iran by making excuses for our opponents to benefit from.

To answer your question, you are fooling yourself. I am enlightening you to the truth.