Hard Realities, and unfortunate myths !

[zzgloo]

As you all know, we have had too many redundant threads,and many on-going debates over issues which may have been unnecessary !
Issues such as :

1- Does Ali daei belong to TM ?

2-Can Mirzapour handle the WC ?

3-Is Branco the best we can find ?

4-Are we going to the secound round in WC ?

5-Do we deserve the Fifa rank we have ?

6-Do we have a class of football that deserve more attention in the world ?

7-Have all the talents been given chances to play for TM ?

etc,etc,etc,,,,,,,

But, the hard realities that may or may not be to our agreements are.
1-We simply do not have any body to replace Ali daei with.nor do we have anybody to use instead of mirzapour .
2-We simply do not have any player to play left back,worthy of the WC.
3-The Branco ,although he is a third rank coach,is to stay,regardless of what everybody thinks.
4- Our legioners are realy not that big of a deal !, as they are either warming-up the European benches !, or being get rid of by thier coaches, or one or two who actualy play a little,will not be able to carry our entire team,since they are not that difference maker.
5-Our class of football,is realy very elementary,and has niether a team work,nor efficiency,nor speed,nor experince,and in general our players are not very intelegent players.
I love Iran,and I wish the best, but my objective,intelegent thinking makes me to belive, that we shall be eliminated on the first round with only one point !!!!!.

[Makaveli]

#1) sure we do, but unfortunately we havent been talent scouting in europe and germany for potential players for our squad like Turkey has. one word Dejagah, watch one of his games and u'll know where im coming from.

#2) agreed. we dont have a decent left back, nor do we have anyone better then Mirzapour, that i can think of

#3) branko knows the team better then anyone canin the span of time leading to the world cup, but if our teams down 1-0 hes not gonna be the person to pull the team up with a motivational speech in between the halves.

#4) we can surely make it to the second round. but people fail to realize how much a role luck plays.

#5) yes we deserve our current, but take 4 or 5 of our main players out and we'll be ranked in the 50's or 60's. our A-team and our B-team are miles apart.

#6) NO, realistically speaking, we do NOT have the class of football thats worthy, or notable. and this is not something we can easily fix, the only solution is to take advantage of our foreign talents, and we sure as hell have many who are for the vast majority 18 and 19 years old right now, in a few years when they hit there mid 20's we'll see a boom of talent for our national team, wether we take advantage of it or not depends on how smart we'll be about it.

#7) nope, Dejagah, im a strong believe in him, if u need i can elaborate

now im off to see scarlett johansson on snl

[Martin-Reza]

I have to agree with most of what you said zzgloo jan. Although you've been very harsh, I think that's fine because many people really are in need of a reality check.

The only thing I'm concerned about is that you call Ivankovic a third rate coach. Honestly, neither you or me can judge that, I also wouldn't go as far rating coaches I don't like. No matter how good or bad they are, they are still more knowledgeable than me, so how could I from "below" judge their qualities - apart from looking at the results the teams get unde their lead.

[Doctor DOOM]

zz jan,

these are MY personal opinons

1- daei can be a great asset to the team.
now, "HOW" he is used is another matter.
considering his advancing age and reduction in pace and agility, I would say he would be a great sub ( either coming in or going out in the second halves ).

2- the hard reality is that mirza seems to be the best we have.
however, what is worrying is the fact that neither we, nor the TM staff know just WHO is his alternative !
shd he not be able to attaned a game ( various reasons ) , who are we to trust in between the posts?
name any keeper, and I can tell you he is not going to be experieneced enough or exposed enough to handle that kind of high pressure.

3- certainly ans definitely not.
there are many MUCH higher quality coaches available to us, if only dadkan gets off the satan's donkey and starts thinking about TM's fate, rather than "proving and persisting on his earlier judgement" !!!

4- it all depends on the coach and his mentality, experience & expertise.
also the players' form and exposure .
with a bit of luck, I dont see why we shd not SERIOUSLY vie for such a feat.

5- NO

6- cant decide

7- BY god, NO.
absolutely not !

[zzgloo]

I do not believe in hanky pankies !!, nor do I believe in " hand of God " !!!,
It seems too many of us,think, that " Hand of God " is going save us, and all of the sudden put Ali Daie ,alone, in front of the opponant's golie, and he scores a fantastic gole,and we will all have a happy ending !!
But, the reality does not work that way !!,there is a reason,the top 10 teams in the world have not realy changed in the last 30 years !! " Ghayrat " and " hand of God " can not simply replace the Millions of millions of dollars of investments by the top teams, nor the class of football could improve by a couple of new coaches...We simply need more that wishful thinkings !!

[Doctor DOOM]

zz jan, the team that will not have been really and adequately tested,
and has its , managers surrying away like bloody wimpy mice from any real test and are extremely proficient in WASTING time and stalling,


what candle will it hold in front of hardened and crafty teams with PROPER HEAD coaches, like mexico and portugal ?

[Martin-Reza]

Proper headcoches? Lavolpe is critisized all the time. Hugo Sanchez' opinion on Lavolpe barely differs from yours on Ivankovic.

[zzgloo]

Dear Martin-Reza and DD Aziz,
I realy have come to the conclusion that it is all money !!
Branko , on his interview said, The whole country of Iran has less Football clubs than city of Paris !!, the arab countries are improveing very rapidly,because of money, The japaneas improved only because of money, the 5 African teams who did not qualify this time,was because they had fired thier forign coaches,or had gotten too arrogant to spend !!....In the United states,there are atleast 50,000 nice grass fields for football !!,in Iran may be 15,all together,including the universities.....and not one,has flat. smooth surface...cultural problems,poletics, poverty,nutrisions, many many factors just do not let us to go far !!
We how ever,could have done better,had the officials ,like DD says, were smarter and more attentive.....but, the way it is going, I see that comming, the next WC qualifiers, we will have big competitions from more Arab countries, Kwait,Oman, UAE,Qatar,etc..are going to improve much more than us.........., We have got to spend much more money, more profecional leagues, far more facilities, and defenetly a smarter and freer government.

[Martin-Reza]

True, although it's not all about money, it's very much about money.
In recent interviews Branko also said that Iran can become a top footballing nation in the next decade or so, if enough money is invested in infrastructure. As you mentioned, he pointed out there are only 150 football clubs in Iran (compare: Over 26.000 clubs in Germany!).

With that infrastructure (eg. one football school in whole Iran) we will always have troubles against less talented sides.

[Doctor DOOM]

ZZ jan, you are talking about infrastructure basically.

yes, true, having a great infrstrctr is very important for progress.
but we are not all that bad either.
what we lack in those areas, we make up with a never ending fount of talent and skillful youth.

just as I said this months ago, brazil isnt all that rich either.
their infrstrctr is as pathetic as ours.

but what makes them the world dominators that they are?
it is their inherent talent.


our problem is having officials who care only for their post and positions !
dadkan's skewed and illgocal view on matters like "achievement" is reflective of this joundiced and lopsided outlook.

when , to justify our team's regress and horrible performances, he resorts to quoting fifa rankjing ( which means diddly-sh*t on the pitch against teams 40 ranks lower than us ), and a set of "numbers & stats" that basically pertain to meetings against piss poor teams like n korea, laos, azerbaijan, lybia, ... , then what can we expect?

when we are supposed to LOWER our standards, just to justify his pathetic tenure and branko's screwed up attitude and lajbaazi ..... instead of setting a progressively higher standards, and forcing our officials and powers that be to attain such heights !

ppl who suppprt mediocrity and validate such inane justifications are as guilty as dadkan and branko.
by accepting such moronic excuses and justification, they only strenghten the malaise and stagnation of our football !

"when you are not under pressure to perform and elevate yourself, you can kiss any progress goodbye."

just as this applies to our complacent players at TM, due to branko's wimpy and illogical attitude, it applies to branko himself as well as dadkan.

if we stop asking for more, we'll be stuck in this state. and I fear for our team come the first game against mexico !!

[zzgloo]

DD jan,,,,you are right in general, and had we had smarter and less curropt officials, we would have done better......but please,as martin reza,suggested also,we need a realty check also......
Nigeria,has 260 million people,Brazil 130 million.....the economy in Brazil,is the 5 th economy in the world, that is right, the 5 th !!, secound to USA in western hamispher,above Canada......and more over, thier country is green, and not like IRAN, in Iran, we are not even like saudies with dune and sands, ours is all rocks !!!,and no green what so ever.....
What makes you think we offer better talents than Nigeria ?who also is member of opec.....why, bahrain, with 700,000 papulation , and just 15 years of football history,is so improving.....???
The Arabs like it or not, will exceed us, in near future....
our race may not be lower than others, but we defenetly do not have a better race, and when it comes to efficiency,and management, and the culture,of football, we defenetly are lower.and as far as spending money...we are at last !!!...............and what will you get ?

[pajamNL]

the only piece you are right about, is the financial issue...

Iran has the potential to get as good as the top 15 countries of the world, we just need more funding and government that doesn't insult the western world, where the most money and power lies, also in soccer...

[Doctor DOOM]

zz jan, I am not discounting the influence of funds and budget.

I am saying we have other factors that CAN counter the negative effects of lack of funds.

for example, I would LOVE to know where the fifa money allotted to qualified teams have been and will be spent.

do we know what happened to the 98 ?
some of it , yes.
but not all of it.

and the 2006 is even bigger amount.
and no-one knows what's happening to it.

in the end, even if we are "paroowing" money day in and day out, but have IDIOTS like dadkan running the system, we suffer !


my problem is the attitude of "taking things lying down" !!
accepting mediocrity !
"reality check" is one thing, but being meek, servile and devoid of any ambition is another !

try telling the guy who crafted "water canals" instead of carrying a pale of water from 2 Km's away to have a "reality check" !

imagine telling Ford to have a reality check and be content with his bicycle !!
or telling Bell to be content with "smoke signals" and mail system !!
or Edisson to be content with candle lights !!

the day we stop looking to get better and improve, is the day we die !
all those who try to justify lack of progress and stagnation ( due to whatever reasons they may have ) are OBSTRUCTING this trend !

did MR go and tell senegal to have a "reality check" before they met France and eventually defeated ( and cause their elimination ) ?
or did he meet the cameroonians before they did the same to argentina?
or turkey?
or korea?
or ... ?

hehe .... I wonder what they would have told him, had he actually asked them to have a "reality check" before those games!
but I have a feeling it ( their reply ) wouldnt have been very pleasant anyway.



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and btw, brazil being the 5th economy does not mean their population is rich or anything.
that country is rife with corruption at all levels of admin and gov't. ( much like ours )
and their massive population is far from comfortable.
much of these analyses are based on the strenght of the population and potential.

we surely shd not think brazil being 5th economy in the world is better and more affluent than bahrain which is not even in top 20 ( I presume ) .... do we?

so I doubt that would reflect the poverty or hardship faced by regualar ppl over there.

[zzgloo]

I totaly agree with you DD jan,
You are effect saying, aside from the fact that spending money is paramont, yet, we could far do a better job,had we had different culture of officials...and you also say, we could maximize our chances,with better coaches,and better expectations.......I totaly agree.

[Doctor DOOM]

I totaly agree with you DD jan,
You are effect saying, aside from the fact that spending money is paramont, yet, we could far do a better job,had we had different culture of officials...and you also say, we could maximize our chances,with better coaches,and better expectations.......I totaly agree.

thank you for doing something that I am incapable of

and that is making so many points, very precisely, in so very few words.

thank you, mate.