I think the Real Persepolis just stood up!

[faraz]

After watching the PP and Bayern game...

Ma'adanchi can be FANTASTIC as a left back! He seemed good defensively, but even when he poured forward, his speed and technique seemed too good for even Sagnol - a man rumoured to be transferred to Italian GIANTS Juventus! Even if we don't want him as a left-back (he may be a little too offensive) he may be an excellent left-winger as well, which would help him conserve his energy, as he wouldn't have to cover in defence and attack at the same time.

As for Kazemian - he was excellent. There is no way around it. The fact that Kazemian was not included in the recent squad is very surprising, especially due to the fact that Kavianpour (who also had a decent game) was called up.

Mehrdad Oladi - Parvin needs to teach this kid a lesson. His childish behaviour and attitude serve no purpose, and its a waste of talent! He did not release the ball once, got fouled many many times (in areas where if the ball was taken away from him, persepolis would have been in serious danger), and got a yellow for DIVING...in a FRIENDLY, which is perhaps one of the most embarassing parts of the match, along with Ma'adanchi's poor professionalism. He is a great talent, that is for sure, but he needs to work with a coach who can discipline him into a player that optimizes his skill in situations where the TEAM needs it. He is selfish, and until he grows up, does not belong anywhere NEAR TM.

Moving from the players to the team tactics and play, it was noticeable that Persepolis' speed had increased and the players seemed very energized. The reason for this? Very simple - all the Persepolis players were HIGHLY motivated, perhaps more so than they've ever been in their league matches. Parvin needs to motivate his team the same way they got motivated for the Bayern match, and they could be invincible in the IPL. It is shocking that Persepolis lie so low in the table after the beautiful (sometimes unlucky, and sometimes lucky) match they played. The had some very nice sequences of fluid movement, one touch passing, and optimizing the use of the wings.


In terms of weaknesses, the only weakness I really saw was when the ball was crossed in. It seems the defence and the goalie completely had lapses of concentration every single time the ball was crossed in. Actually, half the time, the Persepolis defence would not even look up to see where the opposition was when the ball was put into the box! Ballack was left WIDE open and scored a classic Ballack header, which killed a lot of the momentum.

All in all, being a fan of Esteghlal, I thoroughly enjoyed watching the match, and only hope that Persepolis makes this year's IPL ending more dramatic. If they continue being motivated as such, and play to the level that they did play, anything is possible.

Well done to the boys in red.

Now moving from Persepolis to TM, there are many things that Branko has gained from this match:

a) Some of the IPL players in Persepolis thoroughly deserve their chance in TM. Ma'adanchi sticks out the MOST as a possible candidate for left-back or left-wing.

b) Some of the IPL playes consistenty stood above Bayern's players! Kazemain vs Lucio/Ismael - Kazemain (sorry for the childish language) OWNED the 2 of them.

c) MOTIVATION!!!!!!

There is nothing that can bring out the best in a team other than motivation. If TM becomes this motivated in the WC, I believe we can hope for a very successful campaign! The issue now is, will Branko give those who shined or will shine in the future camp a true chance to replace a 1st team squad member?

Just for the record - I thought Ma'adanchi was far more effective than a player like Zandi on that left side, and was so confident and consistent in his play. If only he adjusts his attitude, he may be quite the asset.

One last note:

All of what I have said applies to this ONE game. Hence, my judgement can be skewed here or there; however, keeping in mind that this was BAYERN - I think it is fair to say that PP players did exceptionally well.

[Hadi]

I agree,

It became apparent that Perspolis lacks motivation in the league and they have more than capable players in their squad. Kavianpor Madanchi and Kazemian are great players but it is a mystery to me why they play weaker in the league.

Their offense has problems because, lets face it, they DO NOT have a decent striker. Entezari and Alizadeh are not enough for a IPL standard team. They could use Dariush Rezaiyan (Sensational player who might join Perspolis from Sanat Naft)

Their defense will look good with Bagheri's return, The Serbian defender's addition and players like Sheys and Hajizadeh.

[Arashi_Washi]

Thanks Faraz that atleast someone agrees with me on Madanchi being a good left winger...

Grear read Faraz joon

[Martin-Reza]

About Madanchi. I think the Iranian football lover is speaking out of you too much, let me give an Austrian/German reply. Madanchi in no way matches the tactical requirements for a leftback in my eyes. His positioning is often horrible, his tacklings too wild and risky. I think it would end up as nightmare having him as leftback.

As leftwinger he could become decent one day, he's fast, strong and energetic, but again his passes and crosses often lack precision, his decision making is slow and often bad and he reminds me of the promising but headless Nikbakht who unfortunately never got a head

He's young, he will develop, but currently he's not a player even close to international class in my opinion.

About Kazemian, he played great, but we all know he didn't constantly play great over the last years. Very often he disappointed me in IPL. The list was released before that match and surely doesn't base on one or two matches only. And even in this match, where he was great, an average German striker would have scored one or two goals at least, so he was getting pretty little out of his good performance.

Anyway, he's a player who creates danger so I would invite him (if he's in that training camp list or not is really not important, the final squad for WC is important). But also coaches simply see the game differently. I once asked human why Farzad Majidi was included in AC list but not Farhad. I don't remember the details, but he analyzed habits and abilities I didn't really observe, like ability to regain the ball after turnovers and stuff like that. After that I stopped wondering why fans and coaches disagree so often.

[The-Red]

The weakness of the coaching staff is evident..
In a game which all comes down to the players, a friendly which teams don't know much about each others the team does well, but in league games which the coaches must study the apponent, give the players motivation and play according to the apponent's tactics, Perspolis coaches have failed over and over this season....

Ibrahimi/Estili and Parvin MUST not to sit on the bench of this Perspolis team and we need a world class coach, ONLY THEN YOU WILL SEE THE TRUE POTENTIALS OF THIS PERSPOLIS TEAM.

[Martin-Reza]

As you know I am against evaluating the coaching staff by gameplay analysis as fans, however, the results don't really speak for the coaching staff. The player material is surely better than the current league position.

[The-Red]

As you know I am against evaluating the coaching staff by gameplay analysis as fans, however, the results don't really speak for the coaching staff. The player material is surely better than the current league position.

well said then....if the playes can perform on the field, who is the primary force behind implementing game plays and tactics? The management including Ansarifar has done good so far in getting things organized but he still has a long way to go, mean while the coaches are the main cause for the poor results in the league to my opinion.

[186forever]

But then again, we all know that Iranians play their best and play better when facing a tough oponent and when they are considered underdogs, but when facing the teams that are similar to them or even lower, we just don t play up to our potentials and there is no sense of urgency.

[maij]

Thank you Martin Jan, you took the words right out of my mouth.

Madanchi ...Great ....??? Hardly.

Kazemian...by far the best player in Perspolis , but he is aslo very far from being great else he would have been in Kish Island. Bagheri and that workhorse Asadi and Kavianpour who is slowly but surely returning back to his old form, Perpolis have only a handful of good players.

I might be wrong , but I don't think at all that Perpolis has motivational problem, they do , however , have acute tactical problem and elementary footballing errors.

Watch their matches closely....be fair and unbiased , you will definately notice that this team has mega problems in al the lines , except the goalkeeper , and their is NO GREAT players in red.



Neverthanless, it was a pleasure watching giving Bayern Munich a good fight for their money.

[Behrooz]

I don't call that motivation. Players mostly get excited when they play against a giant team. Of all PP players only Ansarian was impressive.

[The-Red]

Thank you Martin Jan, you took the words right out of my mouth.

Madanchi ...Great ....??? Hardly.

Kazemian...by far the best player in Perspolis , but he is aslo very far from being great else he would have been in Kish Island. Bagheri and that workhorse Asadi and Kavianpour who is slowly but surely returning back to his old form, Perpolis have only a handful of good players.

I might be wrong , but I don't think at all that Perpolis has motivational problem, they do , however , have acute tactical problem and elementary footballing errors.

Watch their matches closely....be fair and unbiased , you will definately notice that this team has mega problems in al the lines , except the goalkeeper , and their is NO GREAT players in red.



Neverthanless, it was a pleasure watching giving Bayern Munich a good fight for their money.

yes, I agree, but I can not help it but blame the coaching staff for the most part. The bottom line is that this same Perspolis team can perform much much better with more qualified coaches on the bench.

[faraz]

I agree that perhaps defensively, Ma'adanchi is not the greatest choice. Fine.

But offensively Maij Jan? He played THAT badly? Really?

I thought he was a decent driving force of the PP attack, and always seemed to find Kazemian down that wing.

As for motivation, I disagree once more. You could tell by the way the PP players were running after the ball that they were motivated! I have not seen a more lively team in a long time!

This PP simply had SOMETHING that the current 8th or 9th (whatever it is now) positioned PP does not - and that, in my opinion, is nothing but motivation.

[perspolees]

good read farazjan thx.

This game showed that persepolis players are great when they have the desire and motivation.

On this ground change the coaching staff to Hiddink, et. al!! it will not change a bit, and it will even get worse.
The day after the game against Bayern the players wanted to go on strike asking for their money and yet again Ali Parvin came to the rescue to keep the team together as all of the players accept and respect him.....Persepolis's problems are neither coaching nore the players!
It has been evident for many years that the government has been after a divisive force to break the people's team's backbone...they have made progress but they will fail to the avail of the people of Iran... that make magath even to call, the team Persepolis when the board is showing piroozi..

So I think this game can be a benchmark( ofcourse we need more and one game is nothing but) to evaluate players because they will have the same motivation to perform that good for TM to get transferred to better places.

They have all of this desire and motivation and yet we know for sure that it is highly unlikely that any one would get to play for Iran except for the ones tha the whole world knows by now. Evey fan even in the poverty plagued Angola knows what Daei can or cannot do


I appreciate MR's technical response but again it just does nt hold water for Iran! There are plenty of things that a footbal fan or a reporter sees exactly as the coach does! In fact the similarities are far more than the differences!

I too agree tha the difference between a fan and a coach is in those little details that the coach knows and I say amen to that, but you see the problem is that majority of common sense and knowledge that we all share. When the basics are not there talking of details is imho childish!l you cant build a case for someone that everyone can see thru his mistakes and yet the coaching staff quote the lil positive things.

How could a coach argue with Daei walkig the pitch for more than 70 minutes of a match taped and timed and proven in ink!!!!! a striker that in league called Iran has scored5 goals!! I donno how many of them penalties!! to come back and just say he is what!? he hasnt even said anything clear that what does he see in this man!! and whatever that he sees in WC and in that pace of football u cant have an old boy walking the pitch unless that u r going in there to draw or lose!!

or deny Mirza's huge flaws, or after a 6 months pressure from the same ( allegedly stupid!!) fans and media to accept that we do have a problem in defense!! In this setting analyzing Madanchi as not fit for tm with all due respect is immature!

There's a rule of life that we live and almost everything ( when disputed) in it is decided thru a Jury system for a good reason! If you have a group of people unanimously seeing the same thing then you have to accept their judgement! You dont tell them since u guys are not attorneys or u dont know the law u r indeed idiots!
given that there are flaws in any system that u look at but still this is te best way and the least false positive wy of looking at things.

You would have to forgive the fans when in millions they see no use of some of our players but bang on te fact that the coach sees those lil positive things...players have to have that majority of support that they can still play useful football, then they could be benched or up to play based on those details tht the coach knows and we dont.

[Mansoor]

I think more that "real perspolis just stood up" it was a few "real players stood up".

This team was smashed in the league by fajr and "should have" lost the confidence to face off with one of the world's best clubs. But then again, Kavianpour holds the ball in midfield as if there are no Mega names surrounding him. Ansarian walks with confidence and "fools" one of the best keepers in football's history to score a PK. He stops their forwards as if they play for "Montakhab Ghaem Shahr". Kazemian is poised to let Germans know "he can". He had no fear to challenge the Mega name defenders one on one, and in PK case two of them at the same time! Kazemian, Kavianpour, and Ansarian stood up and showed that "they belong". Their level of confidence more than the level of their football was impressive to me. They had no fear in their eyes, and they were full of co*ckiness and confidence. The quality that is a MUST in world cup for each and every one of our players that takes the field against the giants of the world.

And of course then "came along Madanchi". I am not sure about this guy. He is more of a set of picture frames rather than a movie! Picture frames with totally different qualities from frame to frame. In one play, he plays like a future star, and in the next play he plays like a "village people"! I yet to make up my mind about him. Sometimes I get frustrated with him and swear at him, and sometimes say "wow, this kid can become something". I have seen him letting a rolling ball slowly go in between his legs and into the net in a serious competition and I have seen him putting a picture perfact cross into a forward's head to score. Frankly, I still don't know who he is... and I have seen him play for 5 years.... from the time he was playing along Mobali and Kazemian in Iran's U19... same guy, still ...

Thanks Faraz jaan for the piece. Pleasure reading it. And sure was pleasure watching our boys come from nowhere to stop the giants of Munich.... even in a "friendly" match ...

[maij]

I agree that perhaps defensively, Ma'adanchi is not the greatest choice. Fine.

But offensively Maij Jan? He played THAT badly? Really?

I thought he was a decent driving force of the PP attack, and always seemed to find Kazemian down that wing..

I did not mention madanchi's offesnive or defensive ability , I just say and strongly maintain that Madanchi is far far far from being a Great player or even a great potential. He is an average player that you can find a dime a dozen in Iran , but he is suddenly being labelled GREAT becuase he plays for PP ... or SS.

He is a fine young man, sometimes bad sometimes good...this is as far as he goes.

As for motivation, I disagree once more. You could tell by the way the PP players were running after the ball that they were motivated! I have not seen a more lively team in a long time!

This PP simply had SOMETHING that the current 8th or 9th (whatever it is now) positioned PP does not - and that, in my opinion, is nothing but motivation.

If you are certain about this observation ( because what you are saying is not a fact but pure observation) then there is a great problem at Perspolis that you might like to answer about their poor performance and result in IPL.

If the problem is not with Parvin , not with Ebrahimi , Not with the players , not with Tactics or motivation.....Then what the heck is Perpolis doing in the lower end of the table.???