Enayati, Rezaei, maybe Hashemian

[Hajagha]

It's not only about their performance in the last game which is actually a factor as well:

These three players most probably will not participate in WC 2010 qualification bcz of their age factor, why not using some new faces? Specially they are not significant factors in the team. Remember Daei? We should have used a new face back in 2004 Asian Cup, we didn't and we suffer.

[kaz]

Because they're only about 30. They're more than useful in this tournament and you need senior players if you are going to win the cup. Unfortunately, when it comes to goal-scoring - not so much centre-defenders - Iran has a real lack of talent in it's youth.

[Doctor DOOM]

haji jan, asia cup is not just some small tournament to "try" things out for the future.

it is by far the second most important tourny for asians ( after WC ).
and it certainly is NOT the place for trials and testing.
we must use the best we have.
age shd never be a factor, neither shd be "future-building or investment".

[Hajagha]

Well, they are not at neither their best nor our best to begin with.

Second, from the big attendance I can see how important the cup is.

[Doctor DOOM]

granted. but we dont have anyone else !
this shortage of decent strikers hit us a couple of years back, and we're still deep in the crap !

maybe rajabzadeh could be brought in for enayati.
but apart from that, I doubt guys like borhani, shafiee, oladi, ... would even be on par w this lot !!!
sad. I agree

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oh, the attendance has nothing to do with the importance of asia cup for those countries that WANT it.
( you DO want it, no? I know IRAN, at least, takes this tourny very seriously .... AS THEY SHD )
that screw up has more to do w AFC's moronic planning, foolish decision-making and total lack of organizational thinking !

[Ali Chicago]

Payman khan as usual spoke my mind for the most part.

One thing that people underestiamte both hashemian and Enayati is the defensive duties that they take over. Enayati probably ran over 10 km yesterday. That is a dimension that Khatibi, Samereh or even Rajabzadeh don't bring to TM.

And if you want to laught at me it is ok. As far as being opportunistic and sniffing the goal, Enayati is way better than even Hashemian. Look at the timing of that run, when he was present for the pass back of Kazemian (Uzbak defender Denisov was just lucky to be there, otherwise Enayati tapped the ball in).
Enayati is a center forward and doesn't have ball carrying ability. To be honest no CF will have that, since there is no space in that postion of the field to do that kind of stuff. That is why most football fans don't appreciate him.

[Mr.Good]

Payman khan as usual spoke my mind for the most part.
One thing that people underestiamte both hashemian and Enayati is the defensive duties that they take over. Enayati probably ran over 10 km yesterday. That is a dimension that Khatibi, Samereh or even Rajabzadeh don't bring to TM.
And if you want to laught at me it is ok. As far as being opportunistic and sniffing the goal, Enayati is way better than even Hashemian. Look at the timing of that run, when he was present for the pass back of Kazemian (Uzbak defender Denisov was just lucky to be there, otherwise Enayati tapped the ball in).
Enayati is a center forward and doesn't have ball carrying ability. To be honest no CF will have that, since there is no space in that postion of the field to do that kind of stuff. That is why most football fans don't appreciate him.

I agree about Hashemian and Enayati, These guys contribute immensely in the defensive portion of the game. (10 Km seems a bit exaggerated Ali Agha)

The problem with Enayati and Khatibi in the last game was that one of them (Khatibi) has good ball control but gets outmussled easily and his passing in not that great, The other (Enayati) has good positioning and passing and not ball control.
I'm afraid Rajabzadeh will be similar to Khatibi, he can't handle pressure. but be sure that will will run his ass off and contribute in the defensive side of the game unlike khatibi.

[Doctor DOOM]

Mrgood jan, rajabzadeh is more creative and certainly more useful than khatibi , especially if he's in the role of a supporting striker.

I was surprised to see khatibi in the starting line up ( since we thought GN would play kaabi-kia combo there )
but if I'm to choose the supporting striker on that side, between khatibi and rajabzadeh, I'd go with the latter.
his radius of actvity is far wider and he does have more creative arsenal to help either of enayati or VH up front. khatibi's radius is smaller and he's basically a very DIRECT striker, best used in counter-attacking situations, where he makes runs down the sides or behind the defense and goes DIRECTLY for the goal to score ( not to assist ).

IMO, in games where we are ahead and the opponents are pressurizing & coming at us, we can sub him in for one of the strikers, ready for lobs or through-passes behind the defense ( much like how azizi scored against aussies, or kia against usa ) to do his best work.

starting with him may be a big mistake. especially as a supporting forward.

[Mr.Good]

Mrgood jan, rajabzadeh is more creative and certainly more useful than khatibi , especially if he's in the role of a supporting striker.

I was surprised to see khatibi in the starting line up ( since we thought GN would play kaabi-kia combo there )
but if I'm to choose the supporting striker on that side, between khatibi and rajabzadeh, I'd go with the latter.
his radius of actvity is far wider and he does have more creative arsenal to help either of enayati or VH up front.

I agree about Rabjabzadeh, I said in my earlier post that you can bet he will be much better than Khatibi. but lets not forget that Rajabzadeh has never played at this level before, we don't know his emotional conditions at the game time.

I was surprised about the use of Khatibi also, but lets give the benefit of the doubt to GN, maybe his plan was to bring Kazemian in the second half when the defenders are tired. Kazemian would not have had the same speed at the end of the game had he started.

[Ali Chicago]

Mrgood jan, rajabzadeh is more creative and certainly more useful than khatibi , especially if he's in the role of a supporting striker.

I was surprised to see khatibi in the starting line up ( since we thought GN would play kaabi-kia combo there )
but if I'm to choose the supporting striker on that side, between khatibi and rajabzadeh, I'd go with the latter.
his radius of actvity is far wider and he does have more creative arsenal to help either of enayati or VH up front. khatibi's radius is smaller and he's basically a very DIRECT striker, best used in counter-attacking situations, where he makes runs down the sides or behind the defense and goes DIRECTLY for the goal to score ( not to assist ).

IMO, in games where we are ahead and the opponents are pressurizing & coming at us, we can sub him in for one of the strikers, ready for lobs or through-passes behind the defense ( much like how azizi scored against aussies, or kia against usa ) to do his best work.

starting with him may be a big mistake. especially as a supporting forward.

Great points Payaman Jaan. I can be way far, but issue with Khatibi is just mental stuff. He just doesn't have the confidence. I play football and to a lesser degree been through things like that. If he gets his confidence back in TM, you will see his true abilities. GN next game has an option of addition of Kaabi in D or mid or Kazemian or Rajabzadeh, I would start with Kazemian and Kia in D. Then sub Kazemian, bring Kaabi in, put Kia in mid and Kaabi in Right Defense.
I think GN is just in trouble with having so many guys who are just great. He himself one in Tehran siad , he can't sleep at night and thinking about this (plenty of talent).

[Doctor DOOM]

yes, the "embarrassment of riches" does plague us, especially in the midfield

[kaz]

I agree about Hashemian and Enayati, These guys contribute immensely in the defensive portion of the game. (10 Km seems a bit exaggerated Ali Agha)
The problem with Enayati and Khatibi in the last game was that one of them (Khatibi) has good ball control but gets outmussled easily and his passing in not that great, The other (Enayati) has good positioning and passing and not ball control.
I'm afraid Rajabzadeh will be similar to Khatibi, he can't handle pressure. but be sure that will will run his ass off and contribute in the defensive side of the game unlike khatibi.

If Inzaghi is shown to run 10+km in a every match then you can bet your house that Enayati runs more than he does.

[Paradigm]

It's not only about their performance in the last game which is actually a factor as well:
These three players most probably will not participate in WC 2010 qualification bcz of their age factor, why not using some new faces? Specially they are not significant factors in the team. Remember Daei? We should have used a new face back in 2004 Asian Cup, we didn't and we suffer.

Hashemian has not been himself since WC 06. I think it's because he knows he will be playing every game regardless of how he performs.

[zzgloo]

Enayati did not run ( 10 km ), I actualy believe VH works harder .

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We should not depend so much to building new talents in Iran,,,,frankly, our league is produecing them, and the persian Gulf countries use them !, I doubt any top talents would come in near future, because before they develop into a great talent, they start making money in arab Countries,and thier development stop !
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I do not think asian Cup is the secound most important turnement for us ,!,I believe,it is the FIRST most important turnemeny for us......we are not going to make any surprizes in the WC,with this level of football we have at this moment......we need to fucus on Asia,and master it,and while doing that,advance our class...then only then, when we are truely ranked 14 or better ( NOT BRANKO KIND OF RANKING !! ),then we should get a shot at WC,and have hopes for it....as it is now, we are just happy to be there, and that is not enough !
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We should not let DAEI experince make us parranoid,and not give chances to players above 32.

[Ali Chicago]

Enayati did not run ( 10 km ), I actualy believe VH works harder .
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We should not depend so much to building new talents in Iran,,,,frankly, our league is produecing them, and the persian Gulf countries use them !, I doubt any top talents would come in near future, because before they develop into a great talent, they start making money in arab Countries,and thier development stop !
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I don't have the software football statbook and a digitized version of the game to measure, but look at the movement range of Enayati. He is running from Uzbaks' goal all the way to the middle of our field. Look at how he pressured the Uzbak ball carrier. The guy ran a lot. Even on attacks, he was added very well. Look at on the second gaol, how he is being added for a pass, possibley a rebound. Even the pace of his addition is very fast.

As for IPL, I suggest you be more patient. There are tens of players there to discover.
A short list of players that are less known:
Baykzadeh, Ravankhah, Amin Mohtashami, Shays Rezai, Hamid Shafie, Hojjat Zaad Mahmood, Abdul Karim Alee Nameh, Aghaeyee, Ashoobi, Mamani, Mohsen Yousefi, Mazyar Zare Pooladi, BayatiNia, Papi, Saeed Ramazani, couple of guys in Esteghlal Ahwaz that I forgot their names. PLease note this list, doesn't have well known players like Pezhman Noori, Akbarpoor, KolahKaj, etc. etc.

I think you are underestimating the power of our football.