Alright, let's hear it then

[yashar_fasihnia]

i think hashemian did a very good job.
he ran his ass off, BUT remember there was much difference between his situation and kaabis.
first of all, kaabi didnt run as much as hashemian, not even in the half he played.

secondly, hashemian was playing in the heart of the defense among 4 chinese defenders and didnt have much options of passing in many situations.
kaabi however, had less pressure on him from chinese and more passing options as well as more space to move around.

hashemian was very effective, he won many freekicks, he was able to single handedly keep ball possession until the rest of the team came forward, he made good dribblign and passes and even crosses in the first half but noone was there to make use of it.

in first half, our entire team was bad. nobody played good. so zandi was bad as LB, roudbarian was bad int he goal, nekounam and teymourian bad in midfield. but second half, things changed.
i think first half, we played a lot of long passes and generally the gap between our 3 lines was big but in second half,like ghalenoi had stressed before, he reduced the gap between our 3 lines and our passes became shorter and faster and much more accurate.

i was satisfied with the game, the 2 goals we conceded were goals we dont usually concede but our defense and specially GK let us down.

[Mr.Good]

I ask all the people criticizing the use of Zandi as a LB, Who is your replacement? Nosrati? well, nosrati is not a LB, he is a CB. Many criticized Branko for using Nosrati although he was kind of successful. why don't we let the poor guy do his job and not criticize every single selection or move.
TM is doing great so far, much better than other teams in the tournament. why should we always create negative atmosphere around the team (I'm not talking about us fans as much as the media). The team and the staff is already in a tensed situation. why not be fans and support and cheer. we had time before the tournament to ask and criticize. then we would have been helpful. Now in the middle of the tournament when the team is used to a plan and a tactic, why should we disturb it. shame on all these so called Journalists and so called football experts.

[Adesor Vafaseya]

again a positive aspect was the physical condition of the team.

just like the Uzbek game, we ran till 90 mins while Chinese were at the end of their power in mins 60.
that good physical condition in that humidity is essential and again credit is here due to the coaching stuff.

[pajamNL]

Call critics childish, but what do you call the short view of those who only look at results?

Because we made it to AC unchallenged, in a poule with only one strong side (Korea), who didn't even used their strongest line up against us?
Because we beat a bunch of Ghanese kids and the 2nd best of an third rated soccer country Jamaica?

We wasted our chances to become at least Asian Champions with the Daei generation, now we're wasting our second chance with the Mahdavikia/Karimi generation and we will waste it also with the Neko generation….
And that frustrates me so much! We've got the players, we should be controlling games against opponents such as China and Uzbekistan, but now we're happy, walking of the pitch with a HARD fought win or draw.
You see, we get the results against these teams, but we get it with too much effort and with almost only relying on the experience and the talent of our indivdual players.

As i stated earlier, how can a coach that has learned his trade in a weak Iranian league have the capability to read a game and mastermind a tactic to overwhelm the opponent? I'm more than sure that this TM wouldn't perform a second less if we had no coach at all!! GN doesn't make TM better, a world class coach would do this. The reason that Korea and the Aussies played that well on a WC is because of the extra quality, brought in by an classy coach. If we want to be succesfull, we need to bring in a quality coach.

10 years of wasting talents and decades more to come, my optimism for TM is slowly turning into zero….

[yashar_fasihnia]

pajam jan, i agree with ur post except that we wont even succeed even if we bring a worldclass coach, AS LONG AS OUR MEDIA, FANS AND THE MAFIA DONT COOPERATE!

changes come about slowly, and usually requires a lot of trial and errors until we find the right track to take our football to the next level.

this i dont think will be possible in iran at the moment just by looking at the media, the fans and the current affairs going around inside and outside iran..
unfortunately..

[Hajagha]

By reading some posts around, it reminds me the game "squash" when you play alone. In squash, whatever you do counts since the opponent is a big "WALL".

No body's here to give a credit to Chinese who throw a nice football at us particularly in the first half? Defended well, shot down our right side? Had a good keeper who saved a couple of 100% goals?

Any one watched a nice game yesterday?

[BehzadB]

By reading some posts around, it reminds me the game "squash" when you play alone. In squash, whatever you do counts since the opponent is a big "WALL".
No body's here to give a credit to Chinese who throw a nice football at us particularly in the first half? Defended well, shot down our right side? Had a good keeper who saved a couple of 100% goals?
Any one watched a nice game yesterday?

I did. I thought except that first 5 minutes, it was a good game and we got better as they game went on.. we controlled the game after the first 30 miuntes and China was defending very well after they went up 2-0.. they just waited for counter chances and made it difficult for our players to penetrate their defensive line(s)..

[Doctor DOOM]

ali jan, armin is quite a fair guy.
I'm sure he didnt mean to put anyone down or anything that intense.
( I also dont think he supports branko. he certainly doesnt support daei - this is FIRST hand knowledge as I have tried to push the daei cause personally )

in a way, I understand his gripe too. I mean, it is difficult for me to swallow us, with such a talented team , drawing w china, when we could have had a good line up AT THE START of the game ( not half way ) and if GN had tweaked the team a little bit.
yes, china is up & coming and are on the verge of becoming an A grade asian team.
their pro league is years older than ours, and lets not even talk about their human resources and pool. so you are right that we shdnt take anything for granted.

but somehow it is hard for some of us ( me included ) to digest this drawn game.

I am sure you are also heated up after the game and dont mean all those things as well.

now, while GN is doing pretty good in second halves and is making the correct subs , we must not forget that he isnt getting it right at the START of the game ! He still persists with some illogical placements !

and a team can not always kill itself trying to recover and come back from behind ! it saps the team's energy, physically AND MENTALLY .
we MUST get it right from the START of the game, so the team doesnt come under so much pressure.
this much you must agree that GN is not doing right.
I am not blaming the goals conceded on GN. but I blame him for not making the most our of the starting line up to get the team ahead.

I think armin , also, means such a thing.

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having said that, I must ask ppl who criticize enayati, to look at a few other "stars" :

1 & 2 - kaabi and VH, many ppl pretty much covered and asked the right questions.
3- ando:
what did he do? apart from many turn overs and idiotic dribbles and ball handling that led to nowhere most of the times?

4- Karimi was pathetic !
if we'd played w 10 men , we'd have fared better than relying on his lazy arse to cover an area or do something !

so why single out enayati, who granted, didnt score, but ran his legs to the bone and helped in team defense also ?

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VH coming back to collect balls.
enayati not being fed right and comes back.
ando trying too much to be ronaldo
the team starts lethargic and lacks planning to score early
.... all these things , IMO, starts with one area: MIDFIELD.

GN is not setting the midfield correctly.
2 def mids, and a lazy karimi means TM in major trouble.
bench karimi. bench one of def mids
START with a playmaker and wingers and you'll see TM steamroll over almost all the teams here.
such tweaks are expected from GN.

[Ali Chicago]

ali jan, armin is quite a fair guy.
.....

Pyaman Jaan,

The whole point of most GN critices is the fact that he is Iranian. I promise you if Mousovitch or Peem Verbeek which udner him Korea is getting eliminated was in charge 90% of these guys wouldn't say a word. Becuase GN is an Iranian he is a fair game.

Most of us who live outside Iran have this condesending attitude toward most things inside Iran. Despite our attitude the coutry relying for most part on its own resources and somehow surviving. The same country fought for 8 years while under embargo and relying on bunch of 14-15 year old Basiji and bunch of young guys under teh so called Sepah. 28 years passed the reveloution and we the immegre community still doing the same (udnerestimating ourselves).

On the China game, I am sorry if it is hard to swallow a draw with a china, but it is a reality. We drew against China in China in 2004 as well. Since when we are supposed to be steamrolling China? Or any Asian team for that matter. Payman jaan our wish and hope and reality are two differen things. Look at AFC, Aussie barely made it. Korea is gone for most part. Saudie barley made a goal on 94 minutes againt Indonesia to be at the top of the group. There is a new world out there. Greece become European Champion. We need to wake up and smell the roses.

Heghel the great German Idealist (vs. Materialist) philosepher has a great saying that goes like that:" If the reality doesn't fit my theory bad for the reality". Not sure if he was such an ardent Idealist or he was joking when he said that. I think we need to keep this quote in mind.

[Ali Chicago]

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i don't expect us to beat china 10-0, na, I don't, those days are long over, but I want to see a team that with all these so called names can go into the field and put fear in the oppnents eyes from min 1, not after falling behind and being lost for 45 min. expectations are high, but GN is not the right man for the job, I have said that from day 1 and say it again.
هرچه مى خواهيد بگوييد، ما مى گوييم چشم!
خسته نباشيد اميرخان! راستى از شما بزرگتر هم هست؟ از شما قويتر چطور؟ از شما كاردرست تر هم هست؟ شما كه آنقدر كارتان درست است كه سرنوشت فوتبال كشور را به تنهايى در دست گرفته ايد... ماشاالله آنقدر زورتان هم زياد است كه نياز به هيچ كمكى هم نداريد. يك لشكر مشاور و نديم و حكيم و جان نثار به دنبال خودتان راه انداخته ايد اما نه براى مشاوره دادن كه براى بله گفتن. بس كه اطلاعاتتان زياد است، بس كه زورتان زياد است، بس كه كارتان درست است و بس كه حرفه اى هستيد.ماشاالله آنقدر هم بزرگ هستيد كه كسى جرأت نمى كند به شما بگويد بالاى چشمتان ابرو است. حرف كه بزنيم ناراحت مى شويد، رنگتان قرمز مى شود، اين پره هاى دماغتان چنان مى لرزد كه آدم مى ترسد! خلاصه برزخى مى شويد اساسى، بعد آتشخشمتان،تر و خشك را با هم مى سوزاند! روى همين حساب تصميم گرفته ايم هر حرفى كه بزنيد، بگوييم چشم! بگوييد از تيم ملى حمايت كنيد، بگوييم چشم! بگوييد انتقاد نكنيد، بگوييم چشم. بگوييد من هركس را كه خواستم خط بزنم، شما هم سكوت كنيد، بگوييم چشم. بگوييد دلم مى خواهد تنها دفاع چپ تيم را خط بزنم و يك هافبك- مهاجم را براى اولين بار در زندگى اش در پست دفاع چپ مورد استفاده قرار بدهم، شما هم حرفى نزنيد، بگوييم چشم! بگوييد دلم مى خواهد بهترين هافبك طراح ليگ را از تيم خط بزنم، شما هم جيكتان درنيايد، بگوييم چشم! بگوييد دوست دارم بهترين دروازه بان ليگ را بيرون بگذارم و از او ضعيف تر را در تركيب اصلى قرار دهم و به هيچ كس هم ربطى ندارد، ما هم بگوييم چشم.بگوييد دوست دارم ۲ مهاجم كلاسيك را به عنوان گوش لب خط در تركيب اصلى قرار بدهم تا ما هم بگوييم خواهش مى شود! ميل، ميل مبارك است.بگوييد دلتان مى خواهد بازيكن كليدى تيم را كه براى تيم ملى گل زد و كمك كرد تا بازى اول را ببريم را در تركيب قرار ندهيد تا ما هم لبخند بزنيم و بگوييم هرچه شما بخواهيد. بگوييد دلتان مى خواهد همان بازيكنى را وارد زمين كنيد كه عليه تيم ملى و كادرفنى مصاحبه كرده و انضباطى تيمى را زير سؤال برده تا ما هم سكوت كنيم و خودمان را به آن راه بزنيم. اصلاً بگوييد دلتان مى خواهد به گونه اى بازى كنيد كه اول گل بخوريد و بعد نفرات گلزن را وارد بازى كنيد كه وقتى گل زدند تعويض طلايى لقب بگيرند. اميرخان... هرجور كه دوست داريد و ميل مبارك مى كشد عمل كنيد، صداى ما هم درنمى آيد. مى ترسيم انتقاد كنيم و عصبانى شويد و بعد افشايمان كنيد، مگر دست هاى پشت پرده اى در كار نبود كه حال شما را بگيرد و بعد شما پيشدستى كرديد و افشايشان كرديد؟! شايد بعداً ما را هم افشا كرديد... از كجا معلوم؟!
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اميرخان همه رقمه با شما هستيم... عنايتى در زمين هيچ كارى نكند هم انتقاد نمى كنيم. رودباريان روى تك تك گل هايى كه مى خورد هم مقصر باشد صدايمان درنمى آيد. مى ترسيم تمركز شما به هم بخورد و تيم قهرمان نشود و بعد كاسه كوزه ها سر ما بشكند.فقط يك كارى نكنيد كه همه بگويند: خدا پدر برانكو را بيامرزد

Problem is rigth there the "names". It will take a few years to unravel these names. The whole psychological presure of having the so called Legioners and must play in TM isn't something that can be undone in a few months. GN is trying and today's Karimi substitution is an example. But unfortunately this negative media/fan pressure hurting this.

[faraz]

Sorry for the lateness, here was my take on the game:

*THE CHINESE GOALS*

The first goal, Nekounam needlessly foulded the Chinese player, and although the free-kick was accurate enough, it lacked any real power to give Roudi such trouble. He more or less batted the ball into his own net, and there is no doubt he had some fault in that scene.

The second goal was another clear goalkeeping error, but more importantly, the situation arose due to Zandi's poor positioning - as mentioned, everybody shifted to compensate, and with one less man on the right, the Chinese player found himself in acres of space. There is no way in hell a goalkeeper should get beat on the short side in that position, and really, the goal was totally his fault.

It may be a good time to start Taleblou, as Roudi has conceded 3 goals so far that in retrospect he should have been in better positions to keep all three out.

*LEFT SIDE, RIGHT SIDE, MIDDLE*

Zandi was an offensive engine on that left. I didn't see him wander off to the middle too many times, and he used his space on the wing well, beating his man repeatedly, putting in good low balls, high balls, and pushing the ball forward with pace. Defensively, he is quite poor. I think the best option at this point would be to move him to the left midfield position, enabling him to curl those crosses in (something Enayati simply CAN NOT do). I actually thought in terms of offensive contributions, our left was better than our right - although the right side was not BAD.

On the right, I'm more than comfortable with Kaebi and Kia. I don't see why Kaebi is being critisized the way he is, and him and Kia exchange positions regularily with no worry of a lack of defensive or attacking qualities. With kaebi and Kia, our transitions from defence to offense or from offense to defence become much quicker, as niether has to race back to his position at right back as both are more than adept at both positions. I would suggest putting Kazemian on the left wing instead of Enayati (if Zandi is to remain at left back), as this is the least risky change of position a coach can possibly make. A winger's duties do not change, and it would also give Kazemian a chance to cut in with his right and send balls to either the near or far post, or even set himself up for shots - something we lack so dearly.

In the middle, Karimi was obviously a complete disapointment. He didn't even make the effort to come back and get some touches on the ball from our defense (something attacking midfielders do when they don't receive the ball too often - also pulls their man with them and creates extra space for a player like Hashemian), and the couple of times he got the ball, he didn't do very much. I simply can't believe that he's 100% with the way he's playing. The introduction of Mobali was much needed and definitely helped our team, both offensively and defensively. Mobali also seemed to come to the left wing (where this is tons of space) and get balls from Zandi. The Zandi-Mobali connection was quite good, they seemed to understand each other's movements decently well, even though Mobali's position was more central. One key thing about Mobali is how SLOW he makes his decisions. It is kind of annoying - he might be good at this Asian standard, but he is just too slow for Europe. Hashemian also I thought worked his ass off, got a fine header on target, but otherwise, was always surrounded by 3 Chinese players with no support.

*COACH GN*

I applaud him for being courageous enough to substitute Karimi right at the half. It was a bold and necessary move. The introduction of Kazemian was not as useful as in the Uzbekistan game, and taking out Enayati would have definitely paid off more. I just hope to god we don't have another Daei situation here, b/c Enayati is SIMPLY not performing in THIS position. If we are to play this formation, we need a CLASSICAL winger, not a STRIKER. He took out Khatibi and got better results - for the life of me, I just don't know why there is such an insistance for Enayati to be on the field!! This is a major flaw in my opinion.

On the negative side of things, I don't know why he doesn't make the changes we all know are correct right at the beginning of the game? Do we HAVE to go down by a goal or two for him to realize that, for example, KHATIBI is NOT a winger??


*OVERALL FEELING*

Overall, I think we really started playing from the 30th minute straight to the 90th minute. We MUST work on keeping possession (even if that means passing it around in our defensive line) for the first couple of minutes and calm our nerves. China played a fantastic first little bit of football, and we were just plain nervous. Credit to them though, they came out firing, and we just have to deal with these psychological issues - hopefully as the tournament goes on, it'll get better, but it's worrying. We can't always go behind and come back, especially against the likes of Japan, Australia, Korea, etc.,

The game was great, and given the circumstances, I'm okay with a 2-2 draw. I believe we can thrash Malaysia, top the group, and win the tournament to be honest. All the big teams are having major problems, and we must be honest - these teams are no longer a peice of cake. We should thank god Malaysia is in our group - it basically gaurantees us easy passage through, and sets the stage for a great game between Uzbekistan and China.

[zzgloo]

ali chicago e aziz...............
It seems, you are a die hard supporter of GN, or at least think,he should not be critisized !!!, but , my question is,,, why not ??
I understand, the issue of supporting our team meli,and not creating distraction, which to some practical extend, every body has done that here.
But, you also seems to not notice the lack of planning on his part....

The good things GN has done :

1-Workeing on physical condition.
2-trying out zandi at left back.
3-kazemian secound half plan.
4-finding hossaini for defense
5-OH ? I can't think of anything els .

The not so good things GN has done :

1-haveing yet not found the TM line-up.
2-haveing not yet create a chemistry.
3-under-useing kabei,Kia,and Ando,karimi,etc......
4-bad defense.
5-bad offnse.
6-mixed up midfield.
7-Not being able to analys the opponents.
8-playing and planning reactinary, as the initiative is with opponents,and we play in thier hands.
9-getting red card,not controlling " RAKHT KAN " !
10-other than Zandi's goal, we, so far,have missed 5 set kicks,from around the 18 of opponants.
11-bad,and insufficieant worm up before the games.
12--and more.
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The game with china, was a beautiful game to watch for a normal and third party fan, but, we owe our come back to our player's ( GHAYRAT ), and not GN.

[Ali Chicago]

ali chicago e aziz...............
It seems, you are a die hard supporter of GN, or at least think,he should not be critisized !!!, but , my question is,,, why not ??
I understand, the issue of supporting our team meli,and not creating distraction, which to some practical extend, every body has done that here.
But, you also seems to not notice the lack of planning on his part....
The good things GN has done :
1-Workeing on physical condition.
2-trying out zandi at left back.
3-kazemian secound half plan.
4-finding hossaini for defense
5-OH ? I can't think of anything els .
The not so good things GN has done :
1-haveing yet not found the TM line-up.
2-haveing not yet create a chemistry.
3-under-useing kabei,Kia,and Ando,karimi,etc......
4-bad defense.
5-bad offnse.
6-mixed up midfield.
7-Not being able to analys the opponents.
8-playing and planning reactinary, as the initiative is with opponents,and we play in thier hands.
9-getting red card,not controlling " RAKHT KAN " !
10-other than Zandi's goal, we, so far,have missed 5 set kicks,from around the 18 of opponants.
11-bad,and insufficieant worm up before the games.
12--and more.
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The game with china, was a beautiful game to watch for a normal and third party fan, but, we owe our come back to our player's ( GHAYRAT ), and not GN.

I am not a die hard fan of GN. To be honest, if I had my way, things will be done in a total different way. However, I learn in life that what I want and what can be done are two different things. Art of life is getting things done with what it is at hands. Team has problems, every team has probleme. Branzil has problems too. Who the hell I am to say team is prefect. But right now, what we need to do is to choose the priorities.

What is this Ghayrat thing? Isn't the same players with the same Ghayrat were playign like shit for teh first 30 minutes. Aren't we giving them too much credit? We simiplify things I think, Have these general terms like Team-e-melli material or player's Ghayrat. How do we quantify (measure) these? What people refer to as Ghayrat I think is positive thinking which only can be expected from a positive environement and art of the coaching staff to encourage players.

Please download the PFDC download of the game and listen to the pre game show where Mansoor and AleSafar are talking about Hashemian, Mobali, Kaabi nagging. These are type of issues, plus constant nagging (not cosntructive criticizem) by media and fans, will exacberate the atmosphere in the TM camp.
Read teh following interview from GN. Does he even claim we are perfect?
ايران ورزشى - حدود ۸۰ - ۷۰ نفر ۴ چشمى امير قلعه نويى را نگاه مى كنند كه پشت ميز نشسته و به ميكروفن ها نگاه مى كند. استرس و نگرانى در چهره قلعه نويى موج مى زند؛ سرمربى تيم ملى چند ثانيه لب هايش را مى جود و پس از آنكه سالن براى حرف هاى او آمادگى لازم را پيدا مى كند، شروع به حرف زدن مى كند. طبق معمول اولين سؤال تكرارى است. يعنى در تمام كنفرانس هاى مطبوعاتى تاريخ فوتبال اين سؤال مطرح شده است.

بازى چطور بود؟

< ۲ هدف اصلى را در اين مسابقه دنبال مى كرديم كه در كنفرانس ديروز آن را توضيح ندادم اما در بين اعضاى كادر فنى اين ۲ هدف مطرح شد.اول اينكه نتيجه مطلوبى كسب كنيم كه خدا را شكر اينگونه شد. هدف دوم پيروزى بود كه نتوانستيم به خواسته خود برسيم. اميدوارم بازى آخر را با گل هاى فراوان به پايان برسانيم و به عنوان تيم صدرنشين اين گروه، در مالزى بمانيم.
نيمه اول خيلى بد بازى كرديم... قبول داريد؟
< نيمه اول شروعى فاجعه بار داشتيم و اين مسأله را قبول دارم. گل هايى كه خورديم فاجعه بود چرا كه پيش از مسابقه در جلسه آناليز تأكيد كرده بوديم كه تيم چين چگونه حمله مى كند و دقيقاً مى دانستيم كه اگر گل بخوريم، همين گونه گل مى خوريم اما بازيكنان توصيه هاى كادر فنى را گوش ندادند و دقيقاً از همانجايى كه فكرش را مى كرديم، لطمه خورديم اما با آغاز نيمه دوم و با ورود جواد كاظميان و ايمان مبعلى به بازى مسلط شديم و با توانايى جواد نكونام و درخشش ايمان مبعلى، نتيجه بازى را تغيير داديم و گل دوم را زديم.
تيم ملى حركت رو به جلو ندارد... سر درگم و بى برنامه به نظر مى رسد... نظر شما چيست؟
< در تمام دنيا همه ستاره ها را مى شناسند و براى آنها برنامه ريزى مى كنند. در واقع ستاره هاى ما را بسته بودند. از طرف ديگر شما مدام در تهران مى نوشتيد كه سيستم ۲-۵-۳ در دنيا منسوخ شده است و ما هم سيستم تيم ملى را ۲-۴-۴ كرديم ولى بازهم از ما انتقاد داريد.
خب اين سيستم هم مطلوب نيست و تيم ما خوب بازى نمى كند... شما بهترين تيم تاريخ فوتبال ايران را در اختيار داريد.
< {و قلعه نويى داغ مى كند} شما هميشه آدم هاى غريبه پرستى هستيد.
برانكو در دوره قبلى ۵ بازيكن پخته تر مثل دايى و گل محمدى را در اختيار داشت اما آنها نيامدند و به ما كمك نكردند. چرا جرأت نداريد كه بنويسيد امير قلعه نويى و كادر فنى ايرانى اش بهترين تيم تاريخ فوتبال ايران را ساخته است. كلاهتان را قاضى كنيد و زحمات ما را به اين سادگى ناديده نگيريد!
بحث ما اين است كه تيم قلعه نويى خوب بازى نمى كند و نيمه اول نزديك بود ۴ گل بخورد.
< اصلاً با حرف شما موافق نيستم چون شما عادت داريد كه مربيان ايرانى را بى اهميت خطاب كنيد. شما جرأت نداريد كه بگوييد قلعه نويى و چند مربى دلسوز ايرانى اين تيم را ساخته اند .شما دنباله رو مربيان خارجى هستيد و مدام مربيان ايرانى را مى كوبيد!
آقاى قلعه نويى! شما اعتقاد نداريد كه ساختار دفاعى تيم ملى احتياج به ترميم دارد؟قرار بود رحمان بازى نكند و تغييراتى در شكل بازى تيم ملى به وجود بيايد اما اينگونه نشد.
< اين حرف را قبول دارم كه ساختار دفاعى تيم ملى احتياج به ترميم دارد و هيچ مشكلى نيست، بايد اشكالات دفاعى را برطرف كنيم. بعد از بازى با مالزى و صعود به مرحله بعد و مشخص شدن حريف بعدى، با اعضاى كادر فنى به طور مفصل در اين خصوص صحبت مى كنيم تا نفرات جديدى را به تركيب دفاع اضافه كنيم. قطعاً خط دفاع ما در مرحله بعدى تغييراتى خواهد داشت.


Shortcomings aren't the problems. What I am trying to address is the unrealistic expectation of our fans. We played well 60 minutes well against China. Team is definitly true to the second stage. Read these posts, do they refelct that? What people expect, we trash China?

GN will go and next guy will come and you will see this naggin and unrealistic expectation will continue. In WC our team didn't fight, in this tournament it does.

[zzgloo]

Ali jaan.....I agree with the core of statements,.......
there are many different issues...that is within this criticism of GN.

A= Cultural : We Iranians, in general have " EDDEAA ", and do not take possition of authurity well !!,and always think, we can do better.

B= Media : in Iran, newspapers and even TV, are after crisis building, and mixing things up..

C=Football : here, is where I wish, you and I could have logical exchanges...

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he is the head coach of TM, and obviously, many things are at his possesion,and has the final say....but, what I say, ( I do not speak on behalf of other critics of GN ), a coach, by maximazing the players potencials, can advance his teams, even where there is not much talents availeble.
But, GN, by lack of creating chemistry, and not giveing plans of actions, has unnessecerly put our TM in trouble...troubles,that are self made !!
true, China, is a good team....,and the game was a nice one...but...
even GN, said, before the game, he knew how Chineas would score, and they did not surprize him.....so why didn't players weren't given correct assignment ?
why, did chineas players did thier assignment, and shot our right side out ?
Why, mahdavikia said, we, with our experince, came out of 2-0 down,and lack of GN on the side line did not bother us ?
In games with stronger opponents, a coach needs to at least make a team, not to shot itself on the foot.!!

[Doctor DOOM]

bahram jan, some of your nagatives are actually positives, and some of the positives mentioned are in fact, negatives.... or are generally the "other way around".

let me highlight those with RED.

then there are other statements that shd not be there in the first place. I'll explain at the bottom ( highlighted BLUE )

1-Workeing on physical condition.
2-trying out zandi at left back.
3-kazemian secound half plan.
4-finding hossaini for defense
5-OH ? I can't think of anything els .

The not so good things GN has done :
1-haveing yet not found the TM line-up.
2-haveing not yet create a chemistry.
3-under-useing kabei,Kia,and Ando,karimi,etc......
4-bad defense.
5-bad offnse.
6-mixed up midfield.
7-Not being able to analys the opponents.
8-playing and planning reactinary, as the initiative is with opponents,and we play in thier hands.
9-getting red card,not controlling " RAKHT KAN " !
10-other than Zandi's goal, we, so far,have missed 5 set kicks,from around the 18 of opponants.
11-bad,and insufficieant worm up before the games.
12--and more.
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- a man's salvation is another man's destruction.
what you call as negative ( reactionary ) , could actually be interpreted as "good response" by others who see the other view of the half-empty half-full glass ... depending on which side they stand.


- zandi in LB is actually , IMO, quite a HUGE negative

- he is actually guilty of OVER-using the lazy karimi and under-performing ando.

- he didnt "FIND" or discover hosseini. hosseini has been in the lime-light for quite sometime now and was a part of Simoes' team as well.

- if what TM-fan posted about his outburst in the dressing room, between the 2 halves, is correct, then I must say he has handled all these big egos of the legioners rather acceptably .

- and finally, this team's chemistyr is far better than the one under branko. if you find this negative, then what would you call that misery?

cheers bro.