Alright, let's hear it then

[Ali Chicago]

Ali jaan.....I agree with the core of statements,.......
there are many different issues...that is within this criticism of GN.
A= Cultural : We Iranians, in general have " EDDEAA ", and do not take possition of authurity well !!,and always think, we can do better.
B= Media : in Iran, newspapers and even TV, are after crisis building, and mixing things up..
C=Football : here, is where I wish, you and I could have logical exchanges...
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he is the head coach of TM, and obviously, many things are at his possesion,and has the final say....but, what I say, ( I do not speak on behalf of other critics of GN ), a coach, by maximazing the players potencials, can advance his teams, even where there is not much talents availeble.
But, GN, by lack of creating chemistry, and not giveing plans of actions, has unnessecerly put our TM in trouble...troubles,that are self made !!
true, China, is a good team....,and the game was a nice one...but...
even GN, said, before the game, he knew how Chineas would score, and they did not surprize him.....so why didn't players weren't given correct assignment ?
why, did chineas players did thier assignment, and shot our right side out ?
Why, mahdavikia said, we, with our experince, came out of 2-0 down,and lack of GN on the side line did not bother us ?
In games with stronger opponents, a coach needs to at least make a team, not to shot itself on the foot.!!

Love to have discussion with you. But when people start from different places it is very hard to come to a common place. Let see your recetn post. First thing you said is, we Iranians have very "EDDEA". Ok, how to measure that? Is that an opinion or an statement that its validity can be examined. To me that is your opinion. As a genearl statement that represent Iranian in genearl I think that is not ture. There are individuals who have EDDEA but in general I think we are a humble people. At least in our culture this is how we are brought up. Iranians and in our culture are taguht to be "Fourootan" "humbelness" . When I came to west, in Canada, had a hard time to learn to "sell" myself when I was going for a job interview. Plus I don't get how GN being EDDEA or not EDDEA has anything to do with the game. We are not here to make GN a better human being. We are here to judge his performance "his team" in the soccer field. Lot of great soccer coaches are pure ass holes in their personal lives but nevertheles great coaches.


Please read what I posted in my earlier post of what GN said during the interview, I post it again:
يمه اول خيلى بد بازى كرديم... قبول داريد؟
< نيمه اول شروعى فاجعه بار داشتيم و اين مسأله را قبول دارم. گل هايى كه خورديم فاجعه بود چرا كه پيش از مسابقه در جلسه آناليز تأكيد كرده بوديم كه تيم چين چگونه حمله مى كند و دقيقاً مى دانستيم كه اگر گل بخوريم، همين گونه گل مى خوريم اما بازيكنان توصيه هاى كادر فنى را گوش ندادند و دقيقاً از همانجايى كه فكرش را مى كرديم، لطمه خورديم اما با آغاز نيمه دوم و با ورود جواد كاظميان و ايمان مبعلى به بازى مسلط شديم و با توانايى جواد نكونام و درخشش ايمان مبعلى، نتيجه بازى را تغيير داديم و گل دوم را زديم.

He says he in the analysis session before the game he ( I mean coaching staff) specifically mentioned and indentified this method of chinees attack. Now if the players dont' have the focus or dont' listen, he can't have a fire squad and kill them.

Part of this maybe is the fact that I coach, and I am probably biased toward coaches. I spend time of my own, go watch other high school teams and specifically tell my plaeyrs certain points. They go inside the field and do their own shit which is really frustrating. Now in high school level, I dont' expect much from a Junior or sophomore high school kid, but at a national team level one expect more from a player at that level.

The main issue is lack of professionalisem that you see in every aspect of our country. However, everyone is ready to jump at the coach. We did the same to some degree to Branko. Branko left but was teh prbolem solved? Next khar came and still the same shit. Khatibi is giving his card to another staff to pass Malaysian police line and get through. On the surface it is not a big deal, but can you see the lack of respect of rule of law here. This is an issue in our society in all aspects. Whoeer will be in charge will have a tough time, since people who working under him dont' behave in a professional manner.

GN isn't my cousin, we can fire him at this very moment. However, the root cause of the problem won't be sovled.

You ask what are them? Let me enumerate:

-Fans that over estimate their ability to analyze and provide a solution. If it stayed at this level it was ok, then they go and use any manner to underestiamte the coah and player. Player, coach performance has a lot to do with his/her psychology. Negative fans attitude can hamper the team. Many people yesterday were complaining why GN didn't change Mobali with Enayati. IRan is down and they want the coach to bring a mid for a forward. They hate Enayati and want him out. That is what matters to them.

-Over estimating our football level. To most fans, if iran doesn't win with a couple of goals, team didnt' play well.

- Lack of professionalisem. Kazemian and Mobali start to compalin to Salar who is a fan about not getting playign time. Can you beleive that? This is kind of team members coaching staff has to work with.

- GN isn't the best choice. That I accept, but right now this man is the coach for this god damn tournament. This is not the time to settle scores. People should had a sit in in front of the IFF or whatever have a hunger strike to protest against him then. But now this man is the coach. Constantly bashing him for everything he is doing, lowers whatever "granted not much" ability he has. Read the same post game interview he had again. He is naive enough to say to reporters that he played with 4 defenders mainly to get rid of criticizem of reporters can you beleive how naive this man is? This shows the hidden influence of media on this man's psychic.

[yashar_fasihnia]

Pyaman Jaan,
The whole point of most GN critices is the fact that he is Iranian. I promise you if Mousovitch or Peem Verbeek which udner him Korea is getting eliminated was in charge 90% of these guys wouldn't say a word. Becuase GN is an Iranian he is a fair game.
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this is where u are wrong ali agha and i have mentioned it many times, but it seems u dont want to accept it.
believe it or not, armin was anti-branko too. so was hadi. and both are anti-ghalenoi as well.
why do u jump to such conculsions??

i dont understand why people think that if u support daei or branko, that means ur anti ghalenoi or anti karimi and if u support karimi or ghalenoi, ur anti-daei and anti-branko
isnt there a possibility for having a 3rd option? isnt it possible that there are fans who dont support either or support both because they too care for TM???

[zzgloo]

bahram jan, some of your nagatives are actually positives, and some of the positives mentioned are in fact, negatives.... or are generally the "other way around".

let me highlight those with RED.

then there are other statements that shd not be there in the first place. I'll explain at the bottom ( highlighted BLUE )




- a man's salvation is another man's destruction.
what you call as negative ( reactionary ) , could actually be interpreted as "good response" by others who see the other view of the half-empty half-full glass ... depending on which side they stand.


- zandi in LB is actually , IMO, quite a HUGE negative

- he is actually guilty of OVER-using the lazy karimi and under-performing ando.

- he didnt "FIND" or discover hosseini. hosseini has been in the lime-light for quite sometime now and was a part of Simoes' team as well.

- if what TM-fan posted about his outburst in the dressing room, between the 2 halves, is correct, then I must say he has handled all these big egos of the legioners rather acceptably .

- and finally, this team's chemistyr is far better than the one under branko. if you find this negative, then what would you call that misery?

cheers bro.

DD jaan....I must stay with my initial assesment, and explain it better.....

" Reactionary ", the good team imposes its will, and not react !
Zandi's project, the jury is still out...but, as hajagha also said on his thread, is comeing along, and may not be good idea, for a more defensive game plan with stronger opponanents, but for now, its working better than any alternative we have at hand....and zandi's defensive abilities are improveing, and his offensive contributions can not be handled by any other LB...this project may even end up as a jenius !!

over useing karimi ??!!..........thats new to me.

Hossaini, was known, but the audacity to put him where golmohamadi was, the possition of highest importance, should be credited to GN.

" Rakht kan "....., we all thought, Branko's weakness was that he was not Iranian, and a domestic coach can handle egos better....but apparantly, NOT.

' Chemistry '...The game with uzbacks, no one had any chamistry with the guy next to him, let alone the whole team...at the branko's time, we at least had kabei-kia chamistry....now, we have none.the players are totalt strangers.....Rezaie=hossaini ?....ando=neko ?, neko=karimi?, hashemian=enayati?.....none !

[zzgloo]

Ali Chicago e aziz....
You coach, don't you ?....according to " Tom landry ", the old coach of dallas cowboys ! , the most important job of a coach , is " TO COACH " !!, and that means, " TO TEACH ".....
telling players, the opponents are going to do this and that, is not enough, a coach must teach a plan of action !!and practice that with the team.

Regarding " EDDEAA "......We have a complex culture,and many things are true about it.......but, " EDDEAA ",is something you would feel after many years of interactions and contacts. if you have not felt it yet....YOU WILL !

And on bad-timeing of criticisms of GN.....I must say, we are here, behind the monitors,10,000 miles away, and I assure you, he is not listening...