Why Iran will not make it to final

[Ali Chicago]

then why do u retaliate to the thread openners post when he points out these facts?
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Retaliate? Either your English isn't very good or you are not being fair here when you say I retaliate? What did I do? Everyone is free to do what they want. I say, nagging at tm at this stage isn't good. I expect more from a F+ member.

How can I retaliate? I am not a mod or anything. I was retaliated against it seems with double ban. So let's make sure we use the right terminalogy.

(i dont understand wat relevance this part of ur post had to my question. our defense and GK is weak and its clear. making mistakes is human true, but the number of times making mistakes and the recovery and learning time from that mistake is wat matters. yes, petr cech and buffon also make mistakes but how often do they make mistakes and how often does roudbarian make mistakes? btw, i agree with u these guys are among the best we have and we have no better alternatives, but at the same time, we must also admit these guys are relatively weaker.)
the chinese freekick was a beauty, roudbarian was horrible. that gone,
im not one of those people who expects iran to dominate other teams.
however, all this existed during the worldcup time as well but i dont recall u saying all this back then.
again, all this i agree with, and when mentioned during worldcup time, many people diodnt accept it, the same people who are saying it now.
u urself kept bringing up angola example remember? when angola had drawn with mexico and lost to portugal 1-0, yet u were complaining why we ended dead last in our group behind angola, remember?
so now u suddenly remember football has become closer, other teams also have players playing in good leagues and its wrong for TM to dominate a team and score 4 goals???

You and I have been at this for a long time and it seems it is going no where. I repeat one more time. Tht team in WC didn't try. It was a timid team that was there to end the game after the 90 minutes. Even Angola game we didn't play like we want to win. Everyone played like they shit their pants.

This team is different. This team fights when it falls back. It is a very simple concept. If you don't see this major difference, I can't help it. Look Karimi doesn't play well, he is subbed. Subs come in and make a difference. Not like our subs during the WC or even pre WC when even my Ammah knew who the subs were. During the past coach, spirit of competition was killed in the team. In the current team it is not like that.

Look at Iran Portugal game. Our team played like "Oh god please dont' hurt us, with 11 players back in defense. Hashemian was playing in the half circle for most part". Now I know Portugal is way stronger than these teams, but still in my opinion our team didn't fight. I have said for the past year. My problme with the team in WC wasn't its result, it was the way they played a very conservative. This team isn't doing that. I guess we agree to disagree on this.

[The-Red]

[Ali Chicago]

Do as you wish. Hassan Rowshan haven't coached a single team in his whole life at a high level. Now he comes and on Shabakeh 3 says all he wants. Anyway, Agha Armin, time will show. I tried. One last time. Right now, if he is the worst coach in the world, right now isn't the time to criticize his every freaking move.

Team is down in half time and he manages to change the game. All the headlines are either Sadeghi was kicked out of practice or he said such and such in the half time. This is a bad precedence for whoever that will run the TM in the future.

Guess we are on two different planes. Time will show.

[yashar_fasihnia]

Retaliate? Either your English isn't very good or you are not being fair here when you say I retaliate? What did I do? Everyone is free to do what they want. I say, nagging at tm at this stage isn't good. I expect more from a F+ member.
How can I retaliate? I am not a mod or anything. I was retaliated against it seems with double ban. So let's make sure we use the right terminalogy.

Here is wat the original thread opener wrote. as u can see, he didnt say anything except that our defense and GK is weak which u and me both know its true, yet u are asking him and everybody to get off TM's back and giving examples of korea and australia????
i too think our defense and GK are way too weak for a champion team. that said, it doesnt mean we dont have a chance to win the championship. and if u read his first line, he is giving credit where its due that TM has improved fitness wise and is one of the fittest teams in asia. this shows that he is saying the truth, or atleast wat he thinks is the truth!

The greatest improvement in my mind has been for the first time seeing a very physically fit Iran that ran out Ozbaks, and China on stamina, even in that weather. This is truly a big revolution in my mind.
But the football 101 rules dictate that a team without a defense is doomed to fail. We have absolutely NONE!
Any team scores on us and we are incapable of standing a 5 minute pressure!
Defense wins championship and we lack that with all colors.
We will get lucky to get thru to maybe even semifinals but this is defenitely not a championship contender team with that defense...

If only everybody just get off the team's back. !!! Aussies are on the verge of elimination, Korea is at teh bottom of their group. Indonesia almost eliminates KSA and our team plays really good soccer for 60 minutes. Karimi when is ineffective is subbed off and all we can come up is gloom and doom.
Short of freak accident or selfishness of a new kid on the block like Kazemian or Mobali or X and Y or a bad ref call, this team will make it to the final. We will see.

basically, i agree with wat perspolees said and it is evident from the 2 matches he is quite right. why cant u just accept it?
thats all im saying.


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You and I have been at this for a long time and it seems it is going no where. I repeat one more time. Tht team in WC didn't try. It was a timid team that was there to end the game after the 90 minutes. Even Angola game we didn't play like we want to win. Everyone played like they shit their pants.
This team is different. This team fights when it falls back. It is a very simple concept. If you don't see this major difference, I can't help it. Look Karimi doesn't play well, he is subbed. Subs come in and make a difference. Not like our subs during the WC or even pre WC when even my Ammah knew who the subs were. During the past coach, spirit of competition was killed in the team. In the current team it is not like that.
Look at Iran Portugal game. Our team played like "Oh god please dont' hurt us, with 11 players back in defense. Hashemian was playing in the half circle for most part". Now I know Portugal is way stronger than these teams, but still in my opinion our team didn't fight. I have said for the past year. My problme with the team in WC wasn't its result, it was the way they played a very conservative. This team isn't doing that. I guess we agree to disagree on this.

and u wanna temme the first half of both games showed as if we wanted to win??
that team fought for how many 70 minutes with portugal and 60 minutes with mexico!
that team, fought to score back against portugal (remember ando's chance? remember khatibis chance?)
did u see the china game in first half, where was hashemian that time? we did nothing until we fell back 2-0 to china and 1-0 to uzbekistan! we couldnt handle their pressure for even 1 half, but in the worldcup we fought hard until the 60th minute or 70th minute until we ran out of stamina!
so i dont agree with wat ur saying.
and about the subs now, u think ur ammah doesnt know now who the subs will be? ask her and she will tell u our subs are gonna be kazemian and madanchi and probably mobali.
i dont see any difference now.
ur ammah will even know wat team will be fielded by ghalenoi just like she knew wat team branko would field and this is expected! yet nobody mentions this!
and against angola, we didnt play conservative or like u said "we shit in our pants" we dominated them, their goal came on a counter attack, "incidently" a goal very similar to the 2nd goal we conceded against china when a cross from left side reached and unmarked angola forward who headed the ball in. in the china game, the same thing happened except that he shot it in.

these are mere observations and facts, and if u cant see them, then i guess i cant do anything about it either.

but like u said, lets agree to disagree.

[kaz]

Do as you wish. Hassan Rowshan haven't coached a single team in his whole life at a high level. Now he comes and on Shabakeh 3 says all he wants. Anyway, Agha Armin, time will show. I tried. One last time. Right now, if he is the worst coach in the world, right now isn't the time to criticize his every freaking move.
Team is down in half time and he manages to change the game. All the headlines are either Sadeghi was kicked out of practice or he said such and such in the half time. This is a bad precedence for whoever that will run the TM in the future.
Guess we are on two different planes. Time will show.

Good point and I agree with what you're saying because I understand it. Don't misconstrue what Ali is saying here, he is not saying the team has no problems and let's ignore any that are there. He is clearly implying how the media and the fans deal with it. They are blowing it up as a tool to dismantle the team. You say that is not your - or their - purpose but this is what is happening. These criticisms and exaggerations, in a lot of cases, aren't going to help this team, especially during the tourney.

You want to know what a neutral thinks? Watch another sports channel that isn't Iranian. I watch the games on Australian TV here and they think we're the only team that had true tests in their first two games and rose above it. They say we are strong and we can be better. They say that we can win the cup, but this keeper is a barrier to it. They say we play amazingly good technical football. Oonha fekr mikonan teame ma kheili ghodratmande va neshoon dade khodesho to een dota baazi...hala roozname irani ro nega kon...khial mikoni ke hame daran chaghoo keshi mikonan sare tamrin.

[yashar_fasihnia]

very interesting interview with heshmat mohajerani.

http://www.khabars.net/Detail.aspx?c...d=454&iid=2374

مالزى* فرصت* آخر ماست* مهاجراني: تيم*ملى* تاکتيک* ندارد

حشمت* مهاجرانى* مثل* هميشه* دلش* براى* ايران* و تيم*ملى* مى*تپد و مثل* هميشه* دوست* دارد که* جز قهرمانى* نصيب* ما در جام* ملت*ها نشود. اين* بحث* احساسى* قضيه* است* اما او به* عنوان* يک* کارشناس* خبره* نگاه* ويژه*اى* به* بازيهاى* تيم*ملى* دارد و نقايصى* را در تيم* مى*بيند که* مانع* کوچکى* مقابل* آن* آرزو است. صحبت* کردن* با حشمت*خان* هميشه* يک* کلاس* درس* است، اگر دوست* داشتيد با ما به* وسعت* يک* گفتگو همکلام* شويد!
حشمت*خان! تيم*ملى* را چگونه* ديديد؟
من* بارها گفته*ام* که* ستاره*ها تيم* را نمى*سازند، بلکه* اين* تيم* است* که* ستاره*ها را مى*سازد. ما بايد از اتکاى* مطلق* به* بازيکنان* عبور کنيم* و به* جاى* دل* بستن* به* خلاقيت* فردي، به* دنبال* کار تيمى* باشيم.
اما به* هرحال* دو بازى* را بدون* باخت* پشت* سر گذاشتيم؟
درست* است* اما يادمان* نرود که* در سال* 1998 برزيل* پرستاره*ترين* تيم* مسابقات* بودو با استفاده* از خلاقيت* بازيکنان* حتى* به* فينال* هم* رسيد اما در پايان* اين* فرانسه* بود که* قهرمان* جهان* شد.
...به* عبارت* ديگر ممکن* است* جايى* خلاقيت* ستاره*ها جواب* ندهد.
دقيقاً، من* در اين* دو بازى* ايران* را در حد انتظار نديدم، ما کار تيمى* درستى* نداريم* و در کنار آن* حتى* نمى*توانيم* از خصوصيات* فردى* انتظار بازيکنان* هم* به* درستى* سود ببريم.
مشکل* کجاست؟
ما بدون* آن* که* در بازيهاى* تدارکاتى* خوب* تحت* فشار قرار بگيريم* به* جام* ملت*ها آمديم، ضعف*ها را نشناختيم، طبيعى* است* که* حالا و به* مرور زمان* متوجه* نقايص* مى*شويم* و اين* آزاردهنده* است.
چه* بايد کرد؟
به* نظر من، اگربخواهيم* مربيگرى* و رازهاى* موفقيت* در آن* را خيلى* خلاصه* بيان* کنيم، فقط* به* دوجمله* احتياج* است: -1 تيم* خودت* را بشناس* -2 تيم* حريف* را بشناس. کادر فنى* تيم*ملى* در اين* مقطع* بايد با آرامش* کامل* سعى* کند با شناخت* دقيق* خصوصيات* بازيکنان* و توانمنديهاى* فردى* آنها تيم* را ارنج* کند.
...بازى* با مالزي؟
بازى* با مالزى* فرصت* آخر ماست، ما بايد در اين* مسابقه* ترکيب* اصلى* را پيدا کنيم* و آرامش* را به* تيم* بازگردانيم.
خط* دفاعى* ما آسيب*پذير نيست؟
دفاع* يک* مقوله* تيمى* است، در کار دفاعى* همه* بازيکنان* بايد کار خودشان* را درست* انجام* بدهند. من* يک* ناهماهنگى* در خط* دفاعى* تيم*ملى* مى*بينم* که* اميدوارم* هرچه* زودتر برطرف* شود، اين* مسأ*له* ما را آسيب*پذير کرده.
حالا به* عنوان* جمع*بندي، قهرمان* مى*شويم* يا خير؟
من* خوش*بين* هستم، شما گروه*هاى* ديگر را ببينيد واقعاً* مى*بينيم* که* حساب* خانه* و بازار زمين* تا آسمان* تفاوت* مى*کرد، آنهايى* که* روى* کاغذ شانس* داشتند همه* ضعيف* عمل* کردند. اين* نشانه* پيشرفت* فوتبال* در آسيا نيست* اما به* نفع* ما است. با اين* وضعيت* هنوز هم* ما شانس* اول* هستيم.
راستى* امير قلعه*نوعى* چرا اين* قدر اخراج* مى*شود؟
ترس* از نگرفتن* نتيجه* مطلوب* باعث* تشويش* مى*شود اما امير بايد خودش* را کنترل* کند، اضطراب* سرمربى* به* کل* تيم* اضطراب* تزريق* مى*کند.

although he is one of the supporters of ghalenoi and constantly in touch with ghalenoi, he admits TM has no real plans and TM has been relying on individual players which will not last forever.

he blames the friendlies which were of low quality and didnt push us to our limits to make us aware of our weak points and now we have to learn about our deficiences in the tournament itself. he says game against malaysia is our last chance to find the most suitable formation and players of the team.

he also believes our defense is uncoordinated and can create problems for us.

however, he has high hopes and believes we have a good chance of winning teh championship and stresses on the fact that football gap has reduced between teams.

[Ali Chicago]

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and u wanna temme the first half of both games showed as if we wanted to win??
that team fought for how many 70 minutes with portugal and 60 minutes with mexico!
that team, fought to score back against portugal (remember ando's chance? remember khatibis chance?)
did u see the china game in first half, where was hashemian that time? we did nothing until we fell back 2-0 to china and 1-0 to uzbekistan! we couldnt handle their pressure for even 1 half, but in the worldcup we fought hard until the 60th minute or 70th minute until we ran out of stamina!
so i dont agree with wat ur saying.
and about the subs now, u think ur ammah doesnt know now who the subs will be? ask her and she will tell u our subs are gonna be kazemian and madanchi and probably mobali.
i dont see any difference now.
ur ammah will even know wat team will be fielded by ghalenoi just like she knew wat team branko would field and this is expected! yet nobody mentions this!
and against angola, we didnt play conservative or like u said "we shit in our pants" we dominated them, their goal came on a counter attack, "incidently" a goal very similar to the 2nd goal we conceded against china when a cross from left side reached and unmarked angola forward who headed the ball in. in the china game, the same thing happened except that he shot it in.
these are mere observations and facts, and if u cant see them, then i guess i cant do anything about it either.
but like u said, lets agree to disagree.

BE A MAN and tell me you thought Karimi will be subbed by Mobali? Forget my god damn Ammah, you as a football knowledgabel person thought that would be the sub? Even the god damn TV reporters were looking for the subs and couldn't beleive Karimi will be pulled out. That is called real-time game reading and the man is dead on. If everyone gets off his nuts and leave him alone, he is doing a decent job and can bring the cup home. Please in your reply tell me yes or no. Did you guess sub will be Mobali for Karimi?

This team didn't get good friendly games. So rigth now, GN is learning the weaknesses and Strenghts. Plus our stars aren't performing at their level. GN is trying to deal with all of this real-time in the middle of a tournament. What do we do? Magnify every little problem and NAG. Why Zandi at left back? Make a show about Enayati. Read the Iran-China live update thread. People posted more posting bashing Enayati compared to all of the 10 other players combined. Kazemian didnt' do shit. Roudbarian was aweful. Kaabi wasn't anything to write home about. But no one saw anything. All they saw was Enayati.

As for defense. Rezai and Hosseini are playing together for the 4th game. What do you execpt? This is part of the learning.



Your bias is almost making you to see things selectively. Watch the game again. Except the first 10 minutes that China was eating us alive, From 10-30 game was kind of even sided from there on Iran dominated. WE CAME BACK. Can you get that concept. You are down but fight back. OUR TEAM IN WC WERE SCARED SHIT OF THEIR OPPONENT. The only highlight of the world cup was Ando who was not scared to death and Kaabi and his karate kicks against Figo. The only two players who FOUGTH BACK. Rest of the team played as if they shit their pants. If you call 11 players hanging around our box and play to Mohaamad and Jesus and Moses for Mexcio and Portugal not to score on us, call it fight back.

In the half time in WC what did Branko do to change the flow of the game? Did Iran cahnge anything? Go there and defend. As a matter of fact, Iran played well the first half against Mexio went to half time break and came back playing like shit. Comapre that to current team who plays not that great goes to half time break and comes back plays better. Such a simple concept. You choose to see it differently because of your love lost with the former coaching staff.

To be honest, I have written all of these over and over and of course you are entitled to your opinion. Let's just agree to disagree.

To reiterate, I didnt' retaliate. What I said wasn't based on this one post agah jaan. I can't post in every god damn garbage thread that puts TM effort down. The atmsphere is so bad that a logical guy like Armin who I have tremendous resepct goes and posts teh alleged stuff the the garbage Jahanefootball printed. About GN allegedly said in the half tiem with China "Where is mr. Osesuna? Where is Mr. Bayern Munich?". Armin puts this as if GN if said these thign commited a sin. Did he?

If GN really said these words, Man dehanesh roo meeboodam. That is what 50 million TM fans were thinking at the half time. Where is Ando Where in Nekoo Where is Karimi?

Atmosphere is so bad and negative that even the right move from GN is portrayed in a negative shade.

I read GN's interview and am really worried. The man feels like he is cornered. Actually he is right, he is cornered. His every move is under a magnifier. If he get red carded (although it is bad), it is as if he slept with his mother. This shit happens in the game. While on this topic, why GN get's red carded? Because he is under so much pressure. Team is qualifying from his group for sure, but read the posts here. It is as if we are eliminated.

Anyways, it is not about GN. It is about the next TM coach too. Every little kid has a formation 4-3-3. Every one is criticizing the LB situation. They don't know jack. Iran is playing with 3 midfields, which havn't been stellar in the first palce. Therefore Iran needs " I repeat need" to have the TWO LB and RB to be able to participate in offense. Neither Sadeghi nor Aghili aren't that type. Nosrati is better in that department. That is why GN is using Zandi there. You saw the results in China's game, specially when he was connected with Mobali. Now every one jumping at GN. Even if this was the criticizem, I think it is fair. At least it is a point of view. But posting what happenes in the tense situation of dressiing room and trying to make a show out of it. That is just low. The atmosphere is so bad that Kazemian and Mobali and even Kaabi allegedly complain to the meida? How did they get that courage? Wasn't it partly because they see, it is open season on GN and every kid is jumping at his troat?

The god damn IFF needs to control the dressing room better. Any player and I mean anyone who is makign a side issues needs to be kicked out. Look at Kia. Doesn't Kia knows the shortcoming of GN? I am sure he knows. But the man is wise enough to know that at this stage, it is not teh time, to deal with this. GN shouldnt' have been selected back in summer of 2006. People should have done strikes sit-in or whatever else. But now it is not the time.

Sayign defense is weak or GK needs improvement is weak, is ok. It is very good. But blasing Enayati or Khatibi, or every little complain by Kaabi, Kazemain, Mobali, X, Y getting such a coverage won't help our TM.

[yashar_fasihnia]

Your bias is almost making you to see things selectively. Watch the game again. Except the first 10 minutes that China was eating us alive, From 10-30 game was kind of even sided from there on Iran dominated. WE CAME BACK. Can you get that concept. You are down but fight back. OUR TEAM IN WC WERE SCARED SHIT OF THEIR OPPONENT. The only highlight of the world cup was Ando who was not scared to death and Kaabi and his karate kicks against Figo. The only two players who FOUGTH BACK. Rest of the team played as if they shit their pants. If you call 11 players hanging around our box and play to Mohaamad and Jesus and Moses for Mexcio and Portugal not to score on us, call it fight back.
In the half time in WC what did Branko do to change the flow of the game? Did Iran cahnge anything? Go there and defend. As a matter of fact, Iran played well the first half against Mexio went to half time break and came back playing like shit. Comapre that to current team who plays not that great goes to half time break and comes back plays better. Such a simple concept. You choose to see it differently because of your love lost with the former coaching staff.
To be honest, I have written all of these over and over and of course you are entitled to your opinion. Let's just agree to disagree.
To reiterate, I didnt' retaliate. What I said wasn't based on this one post agah jaan. I can't post in every god damn garbage thread that puts TM effort down. The atmsphere is so bad that a logical guy like Armin who I have tremendous resepct goes and posts teh alleged stuff the the garbage Jahanefootball printed. About GN allegedly said in the half tiem with China "Where is mr. Osesuna? Where is Mr. Bayern Munich?". Armin puts this as if GN if said these thign commited a sin. Did he?
If GN really said these words, Man dehanesh roo meeboodam. That is what 50 million TM fans were thinking at the half time. Where is Ando Where in Nekoo Where is Karimi?
Atmosphere is so bad and negative that even the right move from GN is portrayed in a negative shade.
I read GN's interview and am really worried. The man feels like he is cornered. Actually he is right, he is cornered. His every move is under a magnifier. If he get red carded (although it is bad), it is as if he slept with his mother. This shit happens in the game. While on this topic, why GN get's red carded? Because he is under so much pressure. Team is qualifying from his group for sure, but read the posts here. It is as if we are eliminated.
Anyways, it is not about GN. It is about the next TM coach too. Every little kid has a formation 4-3-3. Every one is criticizing the LB situation. They don't know jack. Iran is playing with 3 midfields, which havn't been stellar in the first palce. Therefore Iran needs " I repeat need" to have the TWO LB and RB to be able to participate in offense. Neither Sadeghi nor Aghili aren't that type. Nosrati is better in that department. That is why GN is using Zandi there. You saw the results in China's game, specially when he was connected with Mobali. Now every one jumping at GN. Even if this was the criticizem, I think it is fair. At least it is a point of view. But posting what happenes in the tense situation of dressiing room and trying to make a show out of it. That is just low. The atmosphere is so bad that Kazemian and Mobali and even Kaabi allegedly complain to the meida? How did they get that courage? Wasn't it partly because they see, it is open season on GN and every kid is jumping at his troat?
The god damn IFF needs to control the dressing room better. Any player and I mean anyone who is makign a side issues needs to be kicked out. Look at Kia. Doesn't Kia knows the shortcoming of GN? I am sure he knows. But the man is wise enough to know that at this stage, it is not teh time, to deal with this. GN shouldnt' have been selected back in summer of 2006. People should have done strikes sit-in or whatever else. But now it is not the time.
Sayign defense is weak or GK needs improvement is weak, is ok. It is very good. But blasing Enayati or Khatibi, or every little complain by Kaabi, Kazemain, Mobali, X, Y getting such a coverage won't help our TM.

bashe ali agha, khosh behale shoma ke biased nistin. ur the first person who said china only dominated in the first 10 minutes. even foreign channels (dubai sports and abu dhabi sports which i watch in the evenings when they come and analyse that days matches said iran dominated the second, china the first) but i guess ur the coach, ur the unbiased one, ur the one who actually knows football, so i guess i have no option other than agreeing with u otherwise i too will be labelled biased and watch things selectively!

and negative atmosphere, kazemian and mobali complaining? this should be a dejavu by now. remmeber all the , branko has weak personality and cant control a team arguments? wat happened to ghalenois ballz and personality? looks like he cant control the team either huh?

once more i say, ur moving away from the subject and doing a lot of "safsate". its a simple argument, TM has problems in defense and GK, and this defense and GK is too weak for a championship contender.
i dunno why u bring up about people having 4-3-3 formations and blasting khatibi and enayati because its not related to the matter at all.

ali agha, the topic of this thread is simple, TM defense and GK is weak for a champion team and may not allow us win the trophy. this is a fact and no matter wat u say and how u go about arguing against this, it still remains a fact which everybody admits, fans, media, critiques, iranians, non iranians.
all i wanted from u was to admit this and answer me why u couldnt admit it to the thread openner this fact, but.....

if u have the time, take a look at the heshmat mohajerani interview i just posted, now that u dont consider hassan rowshans interview worthy enough.

va salam.

[yashar_fasihnia]

branko subbed out karimi in the worldcup against a much stronger team and in a much more competitive tournament than this asian cup against china.
yes the same "wimpy" branko, so dont temme to be a man!

the rest of ur post has no relevance to the original topic of this thread and my quesiton to u. perspolees praised TM and gave TM credit for the fitness, but he pointed out a real fact taht our TM defense is weak and not championship material. why cant u simply accept it and not make a big fuss about it?
did he blast enayati left and right?
wat has people posting in the live thread about enayati got to do anything with wat perspolees (the thread maker) said in his post?

i dont expect anything out of rezai and hosseini, i never questioned or blamed ghalenoi why the defense is weak, why roudbarian keeps conceding silly goals did i? did the thread maker? did anyone in this thread? leave the live update thread alone cos it has no relevance to this thread.

but why do u feel so insecure and jump on perspolees just because he points out the truth, that our defense and GK is not championship material?
is it so hard to see and admit it?
thats all i wanted to hear from u, but looks like we talked about everything except this.

[Ali Chicago]

branko subbed out karimi in the worldcup against a much stronger team and in a much more competitive tournament than this asian cup against china.
yes the same "wimpy" branko, so dont temme to be a man!
the rest of ur post has no relevance to the original topic of this thread and my quesiton to u. perspolees praised TM and gave TM credit for the fitness, but he pointed out a real fact taht our TM defense is weak and not championship material. why cant u simply accept it and not make a big fuss about it?
did he blast enayati left and right?
wat has people posting in the live thread about enayati got to do anything with wat perspolees (the thread maker) said in his post?
i dont expect anything out of rezai and hosseini, i never questioned or blamed ghalenoi why the defense is weak, why roudbarian keeps conceding silly goals did i? did the thread maker? did anyone in this thread? leave the live update thread alone cos it has no relevance to this thread.
but why do u feel so insecure and jump on perspolees just because he points out the truth, that our defense and GK is not championship material?
is it so hard to see and admit it?
thats all i wanted to hear from u, but looks like we talked about everything except this.

He only subbed Karimi when he was in fight with him. Based on what even Mansoor said in his piece about Karimi, Branko didn't even want to take Karimi and Karimi was forced on him by Dadkan. So he only subbed Karimi under that circumstances.

No one jumped at Perspolees. For one thing, why don't u let him to speak for himself? Are you a the defense attorney (public one for that matter) of the members of the forum?

Perspoolse is a grown man, if I didnt' anythign wrong, I am sure he can post back and tell me what did I do wrong and If I did anythign wrong, I think about it and if I made a mistake I appologize to him.

But you are trying to settle an old score from WC days and Branko times and brother back off. These are apples and oranges. What happend during the WC is a black eye on our football and if it wasn't for Branko Dadkan's incompetency, maybe today we didn't even have GN. The transition from Branko still could have been to a more experienced coach.

[Ali Chicago]

bashe ali agha, khosh behale shoma ke biased nistin. ur the first person who said china only dominated in the first 10 minutes. even foreign channels (dubai sports and abu dhabi sports which i watch in the evenings when they come and analyse that days matches said iran dominated the second, china the first) but i guess ur the coach, ur the unbiased one, ur the one who actually knows football, so i guess i have no option other than agreeing with u otherwise i too will be labelled biased and watch things selectively!
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You have eyes. Watch the game highligth yourself. China dominated the first?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B92_vW-uSS8

This is the highlights of the game on youtube. There is a clock on the screen. You watch and tell me if China dominated the game. I dont' need AbuDhabi sport to tell me what happend. I have eyes.


These are chinnes Chances.

2nd mintue over head shot of phan
5th mintues their goal (free kick)
31 st another free kick who is dangerous (free kick)
33 minute their second gaol

The second goal was scored against the flow of the game. From 10the to 30th minutes game was kind of even handed.

Iran's opportunity in the first half;
35th minute : Watch Hashemian hearder in the first half.

42:07 Watch another cross that three Iranians are tangled up ball gets to Hashemain and ball is rollign across the chineese goal mouth.

42:40 Zandi pass to Hashemain who passes back to Kia, Kia has Ando wide open next to him but he opted to shoot.

45: Free kick and goal for Iran.

This is not what I am seeing. Video is there. So AbuDhabi sport (if they said that) Ghalat kard yek cheezeh deegheh ham roosh khoord. If they siad first half was for china.

Please dont' play victim. I don't need a yes man. I have always respected you for your intelligence and knowledge. I don't want a "YES MAN" I want a fair man. You hate GN and want to bash him be my guest. You are not the only one. Just know that what is happenign right now will be the precedence for the next coach who come after GN.

[Doctor DOOM]

I dont think we shd even talk about the WC.
certainly, no-1 can hold a candle for that moron, who watched the games for 90 minutes and was incapable of making any impact on the game with subs or change in tactics !
I dont know why you guys even talk about that brain-dead idiot !

yes, GN is way too inexperienced. he isnt tactically on par with many asia-cup coaches either.
but by God, he ACTS.
something that we didnt see from his moronic predecessor.
he ACTS and rectifies his starting mistakes ... and thankfully all his changes and actions have borne fruit.

time to start looking for positives in the team , since we are in the midst of the tournament and illogical and baseless criticism ( as opposed to constructive ones which help the team and GN ) does nothing but harm us.


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having said that in GN's favor, I must reiterate that his screwy staring line-ups weakens our team and that's why we start badly and fall behind.
if he gets the line up right, the team can perform far better ( fresh legs ) from the beginning and get better results.

TM's bad performances in first halves are part due to falling behind, which puts pressure on the lads and they, being emotional and not so pro players, succumb to their emotions and hurry through their game, which results in below par displays.
I am 10000% SURE if GN had the right line ups, we'd have won uzbeks and china by now, with far less sweat and toil.

[Ali Chicago]

I dont think we shd even talk about the WC.
certainly, no-1 can hold a candle for that moron, who watched the games for 90 minutes and was incapable of making any impact on the game with subs or change in tactics !
I dont know why you guys even talk about that brain-dead idiot !

yes, GN is way too inexperienced. he isnt tactically on par with many asia-cup coaches either.
but by God, he ACTS.
something that we didnt see from his moronic predecessor.
he ACTS and rectifies his starting mistakes ... and thankfully all his changes and actions have borne fruit.

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Becaue many people see this the time for Tasveeyeh Hesab now.
As for starting line up, our team didn't have decenet friendlies, so the guy couldn't really see what is what and who is the man. How good Roudbarian is in action? How coordinated Hooseini Rezai are?

Plus a big part of this is our legioners haven't shown up for the most part. Despite sub performance by legioners, I think result are acceptable so far.

[yashar_fasihnia]

He only subbed Karimi when he was in fight with him. Based on what even Mansoor said in his piece about Karimi, Branko didn't even want to take Karimi and Karimi was forced on him by Dadkan. So he only subbed Karimi under that circumstances.
No one jumped at Perspolees. For one thing, why don't u let him to speak for himself? Are you a the defense attorney (public one for that matter) of the members of the forum?
Perspoolse is a grown man, if I didnt' anythign wrong, I am sure he can post back and tell me what did I do wrong and If I did anythign wrong, I think about it and if I made a mistake I appologize to him.
But you are trying to settle an old score from WC days and Branko times and brother back off. These are apples and oranges. What happend during the WC is a black eye on our football and if it wasn't for Branko Dadkan's incompetency, maybe today we didn't even have GN. The transition from Branko still could have been to a more experienced coach.

1)he got into a fight with karimi only after he substituted him!
and the player dadkhan forced onto branko according to mansoor was enayati not karimi!
GET UR FACTS STRAIGHT!

2)i didnt only jump at u, take a look at the football forum and specially the thread the member davoodi made regarding zandi's goal and then come and make ur baseless assumptions that im trying to settle an old score or any other excuses u bring up. u dont even wanna listen or accept that i dont want to make any tasvieh hesab from worldcup.
i just asked u why cant u accept a simple fact that the defense line is weak when not only its evident but also all critiques, both suporters and anti ghalenoi admit it. LOOKS LIKE ITS NOT ME WHO SHOULD WORRY ABOUT HIS EYESIGHT!
this is a public forum, and perspolees didnt bash or create a negative atmosphere in the thread, but ur acting as if he did and ur creating a big hayahoo. i as a mod have the duty to interfere, and to make sure things dont get out of hand, specially with that post and tone of ur reply to his post.

everytime somebody says something against ghalenoi, people like u jump on him as if he is trying to create a negative atmosphere. this was supposed to be a simple thread with a useful purpose of discussing TMs weak defense line but ur reply changed the whole thing. we have openned so many other threads in F+ forum discussing other things, this thread is no different from the others.
this is not the football forum and people who make threads here dont intend to make propaganda! watever thread made here is for a peaceful discussion, whether it is for or against ghalenoi, for or against branko, for or against daei, for or against karimi.
get this straight.

3)as usual, making assumptions that i want to settle scores regarding branko days. im really sorry that someone like u makes such baseless assumptions.
think watever u want, but again i repeat, this is not football forum.
ghalenoi will be and should be criticized just like he should be and will be praised. dont jump at members if they say something agianst them.

[Hajagha]

Subbing Karimi in Mexico match was pure PS stupid. I watched the game again a few days ago. He was the most influential player of the pitch at the time. He brought Madanchi instead who touched the ball maybe 1 or 2 times with no outcome.

Again in Portugal game, he was good (not as good as mexico though) when Branko subbed the guy out. Branko simply ruined the guy. Oh, I watched the game 2 nights ago again.

So, please don't compare karimi's sub at the time with this time. Thanks.