Why Iran will not make it to final

[perspolees]

The greatest improvement in my mind has been for the first time seeing a very physically fit Iran that ran out Ozbaks, and China on stamina, even in that weather. This is truly a big revolution in my mind.
But the football 101 rules dictate that a team without a defense is doomed to fail. We have absolutely NONE!
Any team scores on us and we are incapable of standing a 5 minute pressure!
Defense wins championship and we lack that with all colors.
We will get lucky to get thru to maybe even semifinals but this is defenitely not a championship contender team with that defense...

[Ali Chicago]

The greatest improvement in my mind has been for the first time seeing a very physically fit Iran that ran out Ozbaks, and China on stamina, even in that weather. This is truly a big revolution in my mind.
But the football 101 rules dictate that a team without a defense is doomed to fail. We have absolutely NONE!
Any team scores on us and we are incapable of standing a 5 minute pressure!
Defense wins championship and we lack that with all colors.
We will get lucky to get thru to maybe even semifinals but this is defenitely not a championship contender team with that defense...

If only everybody just get off the team's back. !!! Aussies are on the verge of elimination, Korea is at teh bottom of their group. Indonesia almost eliminates KSA and our team plays really good soccer for 60 minutes. Karimi when is ineffective is subbed off and all we can come up is gloom and doom.

Short of freak accident or selfishness of a new kid on the block like Kazemian or Mobali or X and Y or a bad ref call, this team will make it to the final. We will see.

[The-Red]

If only everybody just get off the team's back. !!! Aussies are on the verge of elimination, Korea is at teh bottom of their group. Indonesia almost eliminates KSA and our team plays really good soccer for 60 minutes. Karimi when is ineffective is subbed off and all we can come up is gloom and doom.
Short of freak accident or selfishness of a new kid on the block like Kazemian or Mobali or X and Y or a bad ref call, this team will make it to the final. We will see.

Ali jan shayad Korea and Japan and Aussis don't give a damn, maybe they have won enough and qualified for enough wcs and olympics that they don't freaking care anymore.....point is,,,,who cares how the rest are doing...we want to see our team do well, play well and get results...of course you can not play good and win every game, sure, but there are problems with this team that are tactical and it has nothing to do with our ability to play the game...and if the rest of the the teams are not doing well,,,,,trust me, their media and fans are all over them,,just read some of the things written about Australia in their papers,,,if a paper in iran does that, they will ban the damn paper, ,,so it's not unusual to question the team, with the coach being the man in charge.

[Ali Chicago]

Ali jan shayad Korea and Japan and Aussis don't give a damn, maybe they have won enough and qualified for enough wcs and olympics that they don't freaking care anymore.....point is,,,,who cares how the rest are doing...we want to see our team do well, play well and get results...of course you can not play good and win every game, sure, but there are problems with this team that are tactical and it has nothing to do with our ability to play the game...and if the rest of the the teams are not doing well,,,,,trust me, their media and fans are all over them,,just read some of the things written about Australia in their papers,,,if a paper in iran does that, they will ban the damn paper, ,,so it's not unusual to question the team, with the coach being the man in charge.

what we want and reality is two things. Korea and Japan and sag va gorbeh want it all too. Every team is impronving. We still thnk every Asian team needs to be beaten 10-0 That is just a daydream.

Questioning the man is one thing, nagging is one thing else. Every one like a parrot repeats Zaandi is not LB. Why? If not him who to play against him? Every body crticize Enayati, but kisses Kaabi's ass why? Is thsi questioing? No it is personality terror. Oh hell kick GN out who cares anymore. Bring another vitch or anyone you want. With this atmosphere you bring Cappeloo in Iran he won't be succesful. The same way Verbeek isn't in Korea or Arnold in Aussie isn't or Ooseem hasn't doen anything to write home about.

We have two problems.
First we are unrealistic
As soon as we are dealing with Iranians the parameters change. Anything he does must be crap.
In the coaches half twice team comes back and does well. What teh cocah gets? Jack.

[BehzadB]

I agree that defense wins championships.. let's hope a couple of adjustments will improve our defense! Although I am not sure what adjustments can do that

Today, in the first half, Kaabi was the right defender and he along with Hosseini were responsible for the second goal! But the first goal was on the Keeper..

[The-Red]

Ali jan no one is nagging,,,,we are discussing what can be done to improve the team....when there are clearly things that can be better, people will get upset and want their team to play better game by game....I am not sure if what you are saying is that we should not say anything to GN! and just be happy with what we have and hope for the best because this is the best we have? I do not think that's what u r implying, and even though I do not agree with criticisim that is just based on emotions and feelings alone, constructive criticisim is only good and when a majority of fans, media, even 'karshenas' agree that there is something wrong with this formation, or with that style of play, then maybe, only maybe there is something to it.

[Ali Chicago]

Ali jan no one is nagging,,,,we are discussing what can be done to improve the team....when there are clearly things that can be better, people will get upset and want their team to play better game by game....I am not sure if what you are saying is that we should not say anything to GN! and just be happy with what we have and hope for the best because this is the best we have? I do not think that's what u r implying, and even though I do not agree with criticisim that is just based on emotions and feelings alone, constructive criticisim is only good and when a majority of fans, media, even 'karshenas' agree that there is something wrong with this formation, or with that style of play, then maybe, only maybe there is something to it.

Agha Armin, if you want to become TM player in this age isn't a reality. You can want all u want. Reality is somehting else. No one says don't say anything to GN. Team come back in the scond half, Karimi is getting benched when he can't do shit. Did any of you mentiuoned that? Did any of you mention that teams comes back from a disasterous first 30 minutes?

Give credit where it is due and criticize where it is due. Read your post in the other thread that I BOLDED. Is that all you see in TM? Iran killed China for 60 minutes. Did you mention that in your post? Did you mention Enyati's header who missed by inches on the cross bar. Did you mention Rezai's header. Did you mention two long shots by Mobali?

Anyhow, it is a free country. GN is just a guy, read his interviews, he is bulking under pressure and already started to act up and speak up against pressure. GN is to blame for this, but who else is also responsible? All those naggers? That martikeh Kaas nezahd that writes every chertoo pert in jahane football? Who criticizes 3-5-3 and 4-3-3 and Enayati and X and Y. As if GN has a team from Brazil. As if, If GN wants something, it can be done. Hell watch Brazil in Cope America, see their performance. What fans want and what reality is are two different things.

I don't expect from those like Ala aka former Persopolis or Viva Italia type of folksa nd 15 year old folks in main forum. I expected much more from F+ members I guess.

Anyhow, I won't belabour this anymore. We obviosuly going nowhere. Time will show.

[The-Red]

Agha Armin, if you want to become TM player in this age isn't a reality. You can want all u want. Reality is somehting else. No one says don't say anything to GN. Team come back in the scond half, Karimi is getting benched when he can't do shit. Did any of you mentiuoned that? Did any of you mention that teams comes back from a disasterous first 30 minutes?
Give credit where it is due and criticize where it is due. Read your post in the other thread that I BOLDED. Is that all you see in TM? Iran killed China for 60 minutes. Did you mention that in your post? Did you mention Enyati's header who missed by inches on the cross bar. Did you mention Rezai's header. Did you mention two long shots by Mobali?
Anyhow, it is a free country. GN is just a guy, read his interviews, he is bulking under pressure and already started to act up and speak up against pressure. GN is to blame for this, but who else is also responsible? All those naggers? That martikeh Kaas nezahd that writes every chertoo pert in jahane football? Who criticizes 3-5-3 and 4-3-3 and Enayati and X and Y. As if GN has a team from Brazil. As if, If GN wants something, it can be done. Hell watch Brazil in Cope America, see their performance. What fans want and what reality is are two different things.
I don't expect from those like Ala aka former Persopolis or Viva Italia type of folksa nd 15 year old folks in main forum. I expected much more from F+ members I guess.
Anyhow, I won't belabour this anymore. We obviosuly going nowhere. Time will show.

the reality is that we are a better than China, maybe not better than Japan and Korea, but we rightfully expect our coach to have this team play football for 90 min, not 60; as i said before, no one expected Iran to kill china, it's not about the result, it is about how the coach is handling his team: 'mohreh-chini", positioning of the players and most of the criticism i have read by the papers about the use of players have been correct, in my opinion.
in my other post I questioned the use of zandi in left back, I stand by that, I also think that a coach at this level should know better than to get his ass sent off to the stands, specically when he is known to lose his head easily.
I still haven't read one explanation on why enayati is used as a left attacker, but as soon as anyone says the slightest thing against GN, we are being unfair and we should look at the positive! OK, we'll sit back and watch mr GN take this team to the final and win the cup, more power to him, but if he doesn't, then I guess it's the players that fell short, GN did his best..!so when can we criticise a coach Ali jan?
bottom line; we have played two games and we are no where near a champion, and I couldn't care less about japan and the aussis,,,,I just hope we do what we usually do and get better game by game, or else we will have to wait for another melborn 97 miracle type of thing.

[Ali Chicago]

the reality is that we are a better than China, maybe not better than Japan and Korea, but we rightfully expect our coach to have this team play football for 90 min, not 60; as i said before, no one expected Iran to kill china, it's not about the result, it is about how the coach is handling his team: 'mohreh-chini", positioning of the players and most of the criticism i have read by the papers about the use of players have been correct, in my opinion.
in my other post I questioned the use of zandi in left back, I stand by that, I also think that a coach at this level should know better than to get his ass sent off to the stands, specically when he is known to lose his head easily.
I still haven't read one explanation on why enayati is used as a left attacker, but as soon as anyone says the slightest thing against GN, we are being unfair and we should look at the positive! OK, we'll sit back and watch mr GN take this team to the final and win the cup, more power to him, but if he doesn't, then I guess it's the players that fell short, GN did his best..!so when can we criticise a coach Ali jan?
bottom line; we have played two games and we are no where near a champion, and I couldn't care less about japan and the aussis,,,,I just hope we do what we usually do and get better game by game, or else we will have to wait for another melborn 97 miracle type of thing.

Armin who siad Enayati is a left winger? iran played 4-4-2 today. In the second half iran played a semi 3-5-2 where Kia was kind of hanging back.

Enayati played left wing in a system in teh first half of Uzbakistan. It wasn't even a classic 4-3-3. Please anyone repeats something you see in the papers.
Take Enayati out too. If Enayti is the solution to all of the problems. Enayati is playing not to his level because Hashemina doesn't work with him. Look at most of the balls Enayati touches, it is a pass to back or across. Can you say the same about Hashemina?

See you did it again. You want Iran to play 90minutes. Iran did play 90 minutes, but for 30 mintues chinees forced themselves to us. Read the papers how GN reaped the team in the half. Apparently it somehow worked (not saying it was the best way to do it). We play as if Iranians have 4 legs and we all are Mardonas and rest of the asians are nothing.

[yashar_fasihnia]

ali agha, u who always claimed to be unbiased about TM looks like u cant accept any criticisms now!

agha jan, mashalla be bashceha, mashalla be morabimun va baghiye. aslan TM ghahremane asiya ham mishe inshalla.

but does this mean our defense and specially our GK are not weak?

ghabool kon our defense is weak and we have let in a lot of childish goals.

we dont care wat other teams are doing, we care wat we are doing. we should be realistic, our options are limited. all these should have applied to the worldcup and should apply now and future as well.

however, we have the right to point out the weak points of TM and its our duty to accept it. but this doesnt mean we are bashing TM!!!

[Hajagha]

The greatest improvement in my mind has been for the first time seeing a very physically fit Iran that ran out Ozbaks, and China on stamina, even in that weather. This is truly a big revolution in my mind.
But the football 101 rules dictate that a team without a defense is doomed to fail. We have absolutely NONE!
Any team scores on us and we are incapable of standing a 5 minute pressure!
Defense wins championship and we lack that with all colors.
We will get lucky to get thru to maybe even semifinals but this is defenitely not a championship contender team with that defense...

1, You are right about the fitness.

2, I don't get the part that says "Any team scores on us and we are incapable of standing a 5 minute pressure!". Last time I checked, we conceded 3 goals, one was an own goal, and the other two were world class goals that in football happens.

To give you a credit, you might be right, but we haven't seen it yet. Our defense was OK so far, they may need more than what they have, this team may not be a Final contender, but we can't say from the "income data" yet.

[Paradigm]

The greatest improvement in my mind has been for the first time seeing a very physically fit Iran that ran out Ozbaks, and China on stamina, even in that weather. This is truly a big revolution in my mind.
But the football 101 rules dictate that a team without a defense is doomed to fail. We have absolutely NONE!
Any team scores on us and we are incapable of standing a 5 minute pressure!
Defense wins championship and we lack that with all colors.
We will get lucky to get thru to maybe even semifinals but this is defenitely not a championship contender team with that defense...

Zandi is not a LB. GN should play Sadeghi as LB, that ought to help a bit. Also I like to see Aghili come in as a sub once. Maybe he can do good in the lineup right next to Hosseini. (remember Kaabi is not a real RB either!)

[Doctor DOOM]

persi jan, the thing is we DO have better players to bolster the defense.

the problem is GN is not getting off satan's donkey !

when we can use either aghili or sadeghi on the left, and move zandi up.
this simple move has tons of benefits for the team.
the defense will bo far more solid as proper "defenders" are employed there who will do a far better job of defending than zandi.
also, the left wing will be more active as we'd have a midfielder who can help the team in both offense & defense better. ( now, we dont have a left wing at all !!! )
another plus is having a good wing means the opponents will not come forward all that much anymore and the defenders sit deeper into their halves as they fear our offense. which means even LESS pressure on our defense.

on the right side, I think having kia and kaabi will do. altho' nosrati can fill in for cases when we need total defending.

so we DO have the right tools to get it right. the only thing is GN shd exercise a bit more sense and logic in setting the team.

[Ali Chicago]

ali agha, u who always claimed to be unbiased about TM looks like u cant accept any criticisms now!
agha jan, mashalla be bashceha, mashalla be morabimun va baghiye. aslan TM ghahremane asiya ham mishe inshalla.
but does this mean our defense and specially our GK are not weak?
ghabool kon our defense is weak and we have let in a lot of childish goals.
we dont care wat other teams are doing, we care wat we are doing. we should be realistic, our options are limited. all these should have applied to the worldcup and should apply now and future as well.
however, we have the right to point out the weak points of TM and its our duty to accept it. but this doesnt mean we are bashing TM!!!

Who siad our defense isn't weak? Who said we are not good in GK spot. When Roudbarian drops the corner kick in the first few minutes like that. All GN can do is to encourage competition. So if he puts Talebloo in the next game against Malysia that is his way of dealing with this. GN isn't a god who can point at Roudbarian and make him a good goalie. Even more improtantly, you bring teh best goalie in the world and he will make mistakes. Making mistakes isn't a weakness. It is part of life.

Yashar jaan I never said any of these (GK/defense doesn't need improvement, question is how to get there). The point is these are the best we have in Iran for now. If they are not the greatest, we need to deal with them.
The first Chineese goal was a beauty. Admit it man. We need to give the guy credit. Roudbarian could have should haev must have (all that) but, reality is the free kick was a WC. Our defense in this tournament gave up one bad goal and it was the second goal to China. The first goal to Uzb was a fluke.

The whole problem is the way we look at things. To 99% Iranian fans it is like, Iran has to step into the field. Totally dominate the other team and at the end we win by more than 4 goal difference.

Other teams have players too, no matter how strong our defnse (or how weak for that matter), their forward will attack us. Our defenders are going to make mistakes, I guarentee you that. The same Rahman Rezai made mistake back in the game again Republic of Ireland in Dublin, in WC and now. HE did a a lot of ggreat things in the mean time as well. So, what I am saying is the mistakes short coming, mix up and all that are part of the game.

Agha yashar my example of other teams was to give you context. If other teams aren't doing well, maybe it is an indication that soccer gap is getting closer and game won't be a one way street.

[yashar_fasihnia]

Who siad our defense isn't weak? Who said we are not good in GK spot. When Roudbarian drops the corner kick in the first few minutes like that. All GN can do is to encourage competition. So if he puts Talebloo in the next game against Malysia that is his way of dealing with this. GN isn't a god who can point at Roudbarian and make him a good goalie. Even more improtantly, you bring teh best goalie in the world and he will make mistakes. Making mistakes isn't a weakness. It is part of life.

then why do u retaliate to the thread openners post when he points out these facts?
(i dont understand wat relevance this part of ur post had to my question. our defense and GK is weak and its clear. making mistakes is human true, but the number of times making mistakes and the recovery and learning time from that mistake is wat matters. yes, petr cech and buffon also make mistakes but how often do they make mistakes and how often does roudbarian make mistakes? btw, i agree with u these guys are among the best we have and we have no better alternatives, but at the same time, we must also admit these guys are relatively weaker.)

The first Chineese goal was a beauty. Admit it man. We need to give the guy credit. Roudbarian could have should haev must have (all that) but, reality is the free kick was a WC. Our defense in this tournament gave up one bad goal and it was the second goal to China. The first goal to Uzb was a fluke.
The whole problem is the way we look at things. To 99% Iranian fans it is like, Iran has to step into the field. Totally dominate the other team and at the end we win by more than 4 goal difference.

the chinese freekick was a beauty, roudbarian was horrible. that gone,
im not one of those people who expects iran to dominate other teams.
however, all this existed during the worldcup time as well but i dont recall u saying all this back then.

Other teams have players too, no matter how strong our defnse (or how weak for that matter), their forward will attack us. Our defenders are going to make mistakes, I guarentee you that. The same Rahman Rezai made mistake back in the game again Republic of Ireland in Dublin, in WC and now. HE did a a lot of ggreat things in the mean time as well. So, what I am saying is the mistakes short coming, mix up and all that are part of the game.
Agha yashar my example of other teams was to give you context. If other teams aren't doing well, maybe it is an indication that soccer gap is getting closer and game won't be a one way street.

again, all this i agree with, and when mentioned during worldcup time, many people diodnt accept it, the same people who are saying it now.
u urself kept bringing up angola example remember? when angola had drawn with mexico and lost to portugal 1-0, yet u were complaining why we ended dead last in our group behind angola, remember?
so now u suddenly remember football has become closer, other teams also have players playing in good leagues and its wrong for TM to dominate a team and score 4 goals???