Penalty Kicks !!

[zzgloo]

1-How would you kick a penalty ?
2-Do strickers nessecarly make better penalty kickers ?
3-How a Goal keeper should judje the kicker ?
4-Is fennes kick better or strong kick ?
5-is placeing far from keeper better or misleading him?
6-Can keeper or kicker cheat ?
7-Does psycology has anything to do with penalty ?
8-What do you recommand to a keeper,or a kicker ?
9-Is kicking on the ground better or elavated one ?
10-In what order do you,as a coach, select 5 to 10 penalty kickers ?

[Ali Chicago]

1-How would you kick a penalty ?
2-Do strickers nessecarly make better penalty kickers ?
3-How a Goal keeper should judje the kicker ?
4-Is fennes kick better or strong kick ?
5-is placeing far from keeper better or misleading him?
6-Can keeper or kicker cheat ?
7-Does psycology has anything to do with penalty ?
8-What do you recommand to a keeper,or a kicker ?
9-Is kicking on the ground better or elavated one ?
10-In what order do you,as a coach, select 5 to 10 penalty kickers ?

Every team has a list of penalty shooters. Coaches usually go from best to worst. Forwards don't make the best penalty shooters neccesarily. Coaches choose the palyers who are in good spirit.

In WC 74 Gemany was down 1-0 from Holland in Germany. Penalty for Germany, Gerhard Muller was the best goal scorer for Germany at that time. Helumut Showen was the Germany's coach and pionts at Muller to take it. At the moment, Paul Brytner who was the right back of Germany, runs at the ball, pulled his short up and put the ball down and get ready to kick the ball. Showen nods ok, becuase he sees Brytner is in better mental state. Mull;er himself later confessed he was scared to death.

Piont is emotioanl state of the player is the main factor.

[The-Red]

the only time I actually felt that we had practiced Pks before a major game was in Bousan against Korea where we scored all our five PKs and the kicks were taken so professionaly and with confidence. I sure hope that our team has a portion of its practices doing PKs, even though with PKs there are never any guarantees.

[zzgloo]

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I remmember , the old keeper of Poland , Tomajefski, used to say, he would always jump to the side opposite of where the penalty kicker pretends to kick toward !
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I also remmember, Aary Hunn, of holland, was the first one who popularized , kicking to the center of the Goal.
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Zedan, always,used to kick, high,and corner, which ,even if the kicker had guessed right,could not be able to get to the ball.
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now ,these days, kickers, run toward the ball,and pausse, to see where the keeper is going, and then kick to the opposit side .
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[Ali Chicago]

I remmember , the old keeper of Poland , Tomajefski, used to say, he would always jump to the side opposite of where the penalty kicker pretends to kick toward !
I also remmember, Aary Hunn, of holland, was the first one who popularized , kicking to the center of the Goal.
Zedan, always,used to kick, high,and corner, which ,even if the kicker had guessed right,could not be able to get to the ball.
now ,these days, kickers, run toward the ball,and pausse, to see where the keeper is going, and then kick to the opposit side .

Don't forget Chip shots. Did you see the Penalty Brazilian scored on Uruguay in Copa America?

[Doctor DOOM]

1-How would you kick a penalty ?
2-Do strickers nessecarly make better penalty kickers ?
3-How a Goal keeper should judje the kicker ?
4-Is fennes kick better or strong kick ?
5-is placeing far from keeper better or misleading him?
6-Can keeper or kicker cheat ?
7-Does psycology has anything to do with penalty ?
8-What do you recommand to a keeper,or a kicker ?
9-Is kicking on the ground better or elavated one ?
10-In what order do you,as a coach, select 5 to 10 penalty kickers ?

good questions, bahram jan.

I'm no expert, but here's my OPINION:
1- this one is answered in answers 4, 5, 6 & 9.

2- not necessarily

3- I've heard some wait for the striker to make the move ( watch his approach, the angle of approach, his kicking foot , .... ) , some have already made up their minds to go left or right !
when facing famous players, I guess coaches and GK's sometimes watch these players' kicks to see which side they favor, or how they kick or ... .

4- finesse vs strength is a life-long debate.
it depends on the player.
I say the absolute BEST penalty is when the player places the ball high on the top left or right corners with pretty good force. these are almost unstoppable.
but I've seen giants of the game miss these kicks !

I personally try to place it rather than kick the crap out of the ball & its jadd-o-abaad

5- I'd say chances of placing it far is far better than trying to mislead the GK. coz some GK's may not get misled. some may not even look at you!

6- tricky. GK's sometimes lean or make a quick side-step or even extend an arm to one side, but dive to the other. I guess, they think if the kicker is watching them, he may get misled.

I've seen all sorts of weird sh*t from the kickers. hop and skip before they kick.
walk to the ball.
even some ( soccrates in 82 WC ) stand behind the f**king ball and try to kick on the spot !!! ( idiot ! I was devastated !)
start running, then stop halfway, then kick.
.... etc.
( I'm not up-to-date on the rules, but I presume some of these are unlawful today )


7- massive impact.
players who have played badly, scored own goals, .... are under great pressure. and usually coaches dont pick them for the kicks.
& vice versa, players who have scored goals, played well, .... usually get the nod.


8- oh, I dont know.
basically first try to calm and keep their wits collected. that is most important. not to lose focus or worry about anything or even hurry through the kick.
secondly, give them confidence and encourage them.
tough question here.


9- the worst height is at the level of GK's torso.
I'd say high balls have the edge over the ground ones.

If you consider the below diagram one side of the goal, #5 is best chance and 0 is worst .

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II 555543...
II 55543...
II 5443...
II 432...
II 543............................4

some kickers, as everyone knows, kick straight , dead center, assuming the GK will dive to either side.
I'd give that a 3 or max, 4.
never a 5.

10- I'd keep my BEST kickers at # 1 , 2 and 5 ( among the best, he shd be most experienced as well, w level head and calm nature )

[Adesor Vafaseya]

puh... these are some hardcore heavy duty questions!

to be honest I have no answer for any of them, the only thing I can say in point one is:

- training, training, training
But not only training how to kick BUT ALSO TRAINING how to calm down just seconds before the shot AND training how to concentrate just before the shot.

[yashar_fasihnia]

Zedan, always,used to kick, high,and corner, which ,even if the kicker had guessed right,could not be able to get to the ball.
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alan shearer, best penalty taker i have seen to date
always shot with power, high and accurate far from the GK even if he guessed or judged the correct direction of the penalty shot.

[Adesor Vafaseya]

alan shearer, best penalty taker i have seen to date
always shot with power, high and accurate far from the GK even if he guessed or judged the correct direction of the penalty shot.

dont forget Andy Brehme!

the most precise Penalty kicker i have seen..... remmember his goal in the final of WC 1990 versus Argentina? I couldn't do it better myself

[Doctor DOOM]

alan shearer, best penalty taker i have seen to date
always shot with power, high and accurate far from the GK even if he guessed or judged the correct direction of the penalty shot.

actually you and adesor have forgotten the player with even better success-rate in penalties:
our own king DAEI.

the guy has missed maybe 2-3 in the past 10 years !
1996 against ksa.
one, this year against ss' talebloo
and ...... anymore?
maybe one more.

with such success rates, why do you look westwards?

he usually used to keep it LOW near the right hand side corner.
very good spot.

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LOOOLL .
adesor brought up argentina, I just cant resist to say : was it martin palermo?
hahahahahaha.

the guy missed 3 consecutive penalties IN ONE GAME !!!!!!
in ONE game.
his 1st was very badly taken.
then, they got a second one. so I guess he wanted to make amends, and he fu*ked up again. LOL.
near the end of 2nd half, they got a third penalty.
I'm sure he must have said "I'm putting it in THIS TIME, at least".
no need to tell you what happened !


LLOOLLL. the TV was showing his face after this one.
the phrase "kard bezani khoonesh dar nemiyaad" was precisely apt here.
I loved it.

[yashar_fasihnia]

1-How would you kick a penalty ?
2-Do strickers nessecarly make better penalty kickers ?
3-How a Goal keeper should judje the kicker ?
4-Is fennes kick better or strong kick ?
5-is placeing far from keeper better or misleading him?
6-Can keeper or kicker cheat ?
7-Does psycology has anything to do with penalty ?
8-What do you recommand to a keeper,or a kicker ?
9-Is kicking on the ground better or elavated one ?
10-In what order do you,as a coach, select 5 to 10 penalty kickers ?

1)center and high.

2)not really. mental stability and "roohiye" of the player is the most important factor.

3)in penalty kicks, there are 3 types of decisions GK can make:
-GKs who take a 50-50 guess and jump to one side
-GKs who try to judge the direction of the shot by looking at the players body movement
-GKs who wait for the penalty taker to take his shot and then jump to the right direction.

in professional football, the third option most of the time fails because professional penalty takers take powerful and fast shots. yes, there are penalty takers who might take slow penalty shots or might not give a good angle to the ball and hence inspite of the late reaction of the GK, he still has time to save it because the ball is close to him.

i think the second option has the best chance because:
-not all players try to trick the GK
-not all players CAN trick the GK.

i think in iran, talebloo and abedzadeh, both are and were among GKs who opted this way. thats why their rate of penalty savings was high.
mirzapour on the otherhand i think is a guesser. he just guesses one side and goes for it, although the penalty takers motion might influence his decisions as well but i think he doesnt have that ability to judge or doesnt focus enough to predict which side the penalty shooter will take the show.

4)a mixture of both accuracy and power is needed. extreme use of either one can be disasterous.
when u use 100% of ur energy and focus only for shooting the ball hard, u lose concentration and accuracy. eg: worldcup 98, yugoslavia vs holland, mijatovic blasts the penalty shot but it hits the bar and chance is wasted.
on the other hand, too much focus on accuracy might actually take away the power from ur shot because accuracy always comes higher with slowness.
whether it is something ur studying, something ur listening to or something ur saying, ur always more accurate when u do it slowly. this can be disasterous too. ex: yahya's penalty against china in asian cup 2004. although theoretically, yahya shouldnt have chipped the penalty to one side (chip penaltys should always be in the center), the GK had actually jumped and was on the ground, but the ball was slow and the GK had time to see the chip and raise his hand to save it. had yahya hit the same penalty stronger in the same direction, it would have gone in.


5)placing it far is always better. if ur sure u can place the ball far, u might as well tell the GK where u wanna shoot the ball. infact, i used to do this in training with my school as well. i was my schools first penalty taker, and i always tried the corner of the goal, where daei usually scores his penalties (maybe cos im a right footed and its easier for me to shoot at that angle)
if u have enough accuracy and power in ur shot, u can just go for placing it far from the GK because:
-most goalies cant jump all the way to the extreme corner of the goal unless they move towards one side of the goal before the penalty kick.
-ur shot travels faster to the corner than the GK dives to save it.

misleading him can be risky,
wat if u are not successful in misleading him?
wat if he is good at interpreting moves of penalty takers?
wat if he doesnt care about ur motion but wants to take a guess and move to one side?
wat if u mislead him but ur penalty shot is too weak or too inaccurate and the GK may be able to save it with his leg for example or his hand during a wrong jump?

6)i really dunno how u define cheat, but i doubt it. there are rules for such things, specially sensitive things like penalty kicks.
the cheating a penalty taker might do is place the ball slightly infront of the penalty spot and the referee and his linesman dont realize it (GK as well).
i have seen penalty takers trying to trick the GK by acting like they want to kick the ball first and making the GK move or jump to one side and then take the ball. i think figo did it once, im not sure if my memory serves me right on this one though.
GKs cheating i guess can be either moving too much infront which referees most of the time notice, or try to create hashiye by moving aorund, compalining to the referee about the ball position, moving towards the penalty taker and not letting him take a shot, etc but the referees all handle such situations, atleast as far as i have seen.

7)i think the most important thing is psychology and mental stability of the player AT THAT MOMENT. player might be very strong mentally, like abedzade but due to some reasons which may or may not relate to football at that moment, he may not be that stable mentally like rahman rezai not being confident and "baroohiye" after he scored that own goal.
i think it is very important for both the coach to analyse these situations keeping in mind the various incidents that have happened lately to that player and his attitude in the trainings and the game; and the player to admit if he is ready to take the penalty shot or not, although the latter will be hard to do.

8)the kicker, to not look or listen to anybody before taking the penalty kick, just take a second to look at the goal, then look at the ball and take the kick.
anybody advising him from his own team or the opponents team making faces at him or trying to play with his asab will only make matters worse for him.
to the keeper, i did say the opposite. try to mess around with the asab of the penalty taker as much as possible

9)i think elevated ones, specially at a height above the horizontal median diving the goal into 2 equal parts simply because the goal keeper during jumps cant cover a huge portion of the above half of the goal but can cover most of the below half of the goal.

10)the 1st penalty kick is the most important kick in my opinion. that is the start which builds or destroys ur team and the opponents confidence and builds the pressure on ur team or their team.
if ur team misses the first shot, there is a huge pressure on the remaining 4 players and less pressure on the 5 opponent players.
however, if u miss the ones at the end, there is pressure only on fewer team mates of urs and less pressure on fewer players of the opponents thereby reducing the chances of ur team mates screwin up the remainign shots.

after that, i think it depends on the situation. generally u might wanna save 1of ur good penalty takers for the last shot but there might be times that the penalty shootoutmight not take that long and not last 5 shots either because ur team is trailing by 2 penalties for example or ur ahead by 2 or more goals during the shoot outs. in both cases, i would let my good penalty takers to take the shots as soon as possible to keep the team in the game (if we are trailing behind) or to wrap up and finish the game before one of my players screw up (incase we are ahead by 2 or more shots).

all this being said,
my top penalty takers for TM are in this order:
1)kia
2)zandi
3)mobali
4)nekounam
5)enayati
6)aghilli
7)rajabzadeh
8)hashemian
9)khatibi
10)karimi
if any of them are not playing, the player next in the list can take it.

[Ali Chicago]

actually you and adesor have forgotten the player with even better success-rate in penalties:
our own king DAEI.
the guy has missed maybe 2-3 in the past 10 years !
1996 against ksa.
one, this year against ss' talebloo
and ...... anymore?
maybe one more.
with such success rates, why do you look westwards?
he usually used to keep it LOW near the right hand side corner.
very good spot.

what is with Payman and all of a sudden dicovered love about Daie???? LOL
Payaman, are you ok? Can't stop drolling about this guy.

Ok kidding aside, Daie' convesrion rate was very good. Altough he missed a penallty against both PP and EsEs.

[yashar_fasihnia]

actually you and adesor have forgotten the player with even better success-rate in penalties:
our own king DAEI.
the guy has missed maybe 2-3 in the past 10 years !
1996 against ksa.
one, this year against ss' talebloo
and ...... anymore?
maybe one more.
with such success rates, why do you look westwards?
he usually used to keep it LOW near the right hand side corner.
very good spot.

well, daei is a very successful penalty taker mashalla but i have seen him miss some penalties.
i havent seen or cant recall shearer missing any although clearly i havent followed shearer as much as i followed daei otherwise i could make a better comparison between the 2.

however, i foudn shearer's penalties more appealing to me than daei's, i liked his style of taking penalties more than anyone else so far.

P.S. this has nothing to do with being kharejiparast or anything

[yashar_fasihnia]

actually you and adesor have forgotten the player with even better success-rate in penalties:
our own king DAEI.

the guy has missed maybe 2-3 in the past 10 years !
1996 against ksa.
one, this year against ss' talebloo
and ...... anymore?
maybe one more.

with such success rates, why do you look westwards?

he usually used to keep it LOW near the right hand side corner.
very good spot.

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LOOOLL .
adesor brought up argentina, I just cant resist to say : was it martin palermo?
hahahahahaha.

the guy missed 3 consecutive penalties IN ONE GAME !!!!!!
in ONE game.
his 1st was very badly taken.
then, they got a second one. so I guess he wanted to make amends, and he fu*ked up again. LOL.
near the end of 2nd half, they got a third penalty.
I'm sure he must have said "I'm putting it in THIS TIME, at least".
no need to tell you what happened !


LLOOLLL. the TV was showing his face after this one.
the phrase "kard bezani khoonesh dar nemiyaad" was precisely apt here.
I loved it.

yes it was him, he and his brown hair and yellow died front "fokol"
it was during confederations cup i think, he was highly rated in boca juniors that time, i dunno why he never made it to europe, or did he go to europe and come back, i dunno.

he took 3 penalties in one game, one he hit the post, one he hit wide and one the GK saved.
cant remember the exact order of the 3 shots though.

damn that was something rare and unique.

i cant imagine how much self confidence this guy had and how trustworthy he was that his team mates and coach trusted him in taking the penalty 3 times and miss it each time!!!

[Ali Chicago]

P.S. this has nothing to do with being kharejiparast or anything

Nakhayar Agha jaan, now I have it in writing. !!!