GN on the wrong place

[Ali Chicago]

and mean while, and untill that happens, yet another talented team has gone to waste and the fans will have to wait another God knows how long to win in a major compeition such as the Asian Cup heyfeh een team ke be dasteh GN va ibrahimi dadeh shodeh...heyf.

Baba too kheley na oomid hasti. Amazing man. GN isn't the greatest caoch, but we are not playin in WC. We play likes of KSA and Korea. I really don't undrestand all this negative vibe. Why are we making S. Korea as if they have four legs and we have two. This is the same god damn Korea team we beat in Tehran 2-0. We tied them in korea 1-1.

Baba khooshbeeen baash.
Goftamash bar khood Asan gheer karaha kaz rooye tabe
Sakht meegheerad jahan bar mardooman sakht koosh

Not saying don't work hard "Sakht Koosh" isn't meant to be not hard worker here. It is meant to be people who see the empty half.

[Ali Chicago]

...Hey, the ban option is still on the table.

Haggi isn't he a staff too? Can a staff member ban another one. I thought I am the only "Regualr Joe" can be threatened to bans. I was banned twice for saying Branko and Dynamo Zagreb posts belong to International forums. Apparently that was considered a harsh interference with PFDC managment and admins.

Anyhow if staff can ban staff, I want to watch that to see who is the faster guy.!!!!

[Hajagha]

Well, I once banned Kamran, then I told myself "what the heck, he is a nice guy, he can improve", I gave him another chance >>>> he became a great musician. You see, giving opportunity is always good, however you should know who is "Haji" around here.

Oh, BTW, you were lucky you didn't come across me, I ban the staffs but beat (some time eat) the members.

[Ali Chicago]

Well, I once banned Kamran, then I told myself "what the heck, he is a nice guy, he can improve", I gave him another chance >>>> he became a great musician. You see, giving opportunity is always good, however you should know who is "Haji" around here.

Bow to teh master. Bow to the master

[Ali Chicago]

Oh, BTW, you were lucky you didn't come across me, I ban the staffs but beat (some time eat) the members.

As for eating the members I suggest you choose another word Haji joon, it can be "MISUNDRESTOOD"

[Hajagha]

Well, eating has a direct relation to the gender and how much sefid-topoli you can be.

[The-Red]

Baba too kheley na oomid hasti. Amazing man. GN isn't the greatest caoch, but we are not playin in WC. We play likes of KSA and Korea. I really don't undrestand all this negative vibe. Why are we making S. Korea as if they have four legs and we have two. This is the same god damn Korea team we beat in Tehran 2-0. We tied them in korea 1-1.
Baba khooshbeeen baash.
Goftamash bar khood Asan gheer karaha kaz rooye tabe
Sakht meegheerad jahan bar mardooman sakht koosh
Not saying don't work hard "Sakht Koosh" isn't meant to be not hard worker here. It is meant to be people who see the empty half.

Ali jan you have to realize that my generation[the so called nasleh Nahs enghelab ] of fans has not see any success, and guess what, most, if not all of our failures have come when an Iranian coach was in charge. I am not saying I am always fair, but in my history book, all signs take me to conclude that we will not bring the cup home and we'll be eliminated in a similar fashion to the pervious competitions.
we are hungry to see TM raise that damn cup, but I can't help it but to be pissimistic for now.

Knowing a national team coach doesn't have much time to spend with the national teams nowadays. I strongly disagree to have a coach who we can't use his full capacity. It's like buying a limo and lock all the doors except the driver's door.
National team coach is all about selection, motivation and team arrangement based on the two prior factors. Now a coach who spend half of his time abroad, and has no idea who we are and can't speak our language and doesn't know our culture to motivate us and .....
You know I said too much, NO or you will be banned.

Hajagha jan, I think all the thigns you said are important to have and an Iranian coach perhaps has those things, but Iranian coaches do not have the tactical knowledge for today's game; as simple as the beautiful game is, it takes a lot of brain to make a winning team at international stage. Unless an Iranian coach show some real success internationally, I will not trust Iranian coaches who are all about talk and interviews, but rarely any action.

[Hajagha]

who are all about talk and interviews, but rarely any action.

Knowing you as an intelligent person, I urge you to compare and think about the new generation of American celebrities, their lives, their interviews, paparazzi, their lives .... and their actions............with…

Iranian football and all surrounding situations as you rightfully mentioned.

What I am trying to say is "it's not about the coaches who give a show rather than the action" it's about us who give them too much attention.

After all, G8 summit news was interrupted to show Paris Hilton car from the above in CNN (even not Paris Hilton herself, pathetic). You know why? People wanna know about this than that.

Solution? I barely have one. One can be when they fail, ignore them, let them have the attention when they really earn it. Possible? I don't think so.

[Ali Chicago]

Well, eating has a direct relation to the gender and how much sefid-topoli you can be.

No wonder you chose the nick name Haji. That explains liking topoli. I am much more into petite size (oops too much information).

[zzgloo]

Well, eating has a direct relation to the gender and how much sefid-topoli you can be.

They say............
GAR KHOSKELAKI MARA ".............",
AZ ".............." MARA KHOSH AYAD .!!!

[Ali Chicago]

Ali jan you have to realize that my generation[the so called nasleh Nahs enghelab ] .....

To be honest your generation has much more to be proud of in time compared to my generation. So I wouldn't call in Nahs.

As for success, you have to realize, Iran dominated Asia when there wasn't much serious competition (with all the respect to the older generation of footballists). Kuwait and Iraq were somewhat of a challenge in West Asia. Korea was strong (north korea not much South). But no Japan in football. KSA was nothing and Syria was weak.

Forget about Iran for a moment. If I am correct, One african team maybe Cameroon scored one goal against Italy in WC 74. It was like an event. Italy came back and put 4 in, but still it was a shocker at that time. These days African coutnries are beating European teams and no one thinks much out o fit.

Football in Asia (and everywhere for that matter) is progressing well. So although our soccer has much more potential that what it is today, we need to have that in mind when evaluating our success.

Our wish and desire in something reality is something else. I can desire to be playing in TM but is it realistic? Ok, I accept it is a bad example but I hope you see my point.

[Ali Chicago]

They say............
GAR KHOSKELAKI MARA ".............",
AZ ".............." MARA KHOSH AYAD .!!!

See Haji you took Bahram's Blues and TM and GN all away with that comment.

[The-Red]

To be honest your generation has much more to be proud of in time compared to my generation. So I wouldn't call in Nahs.
As for success, you have to realize, Iran dominated Asia when there wasn't much serious competition (with all the respect to the older generation of footballists). Kuwait and Iraq were somewhat of a challenge in West Asia. Korea was strong (north korea not much South). But no Japan in football. KSA was nothing and Syria was weak.
Forget about Iran for a moment. If I am correct, One african team maybe Cameroon scored one goal against Italy in WC 74. It was like an event. Italy came back and put 4 in, but still it was a shocker at that time. These days African coutnries are beating European teams and no one thinks much out o fit.
Football in Asia (and everywhere for that matter) is progressing well. So although our soccer has much more potential that what it is today, we need to have that in mind when evaluating our success.
Our wish and desire in something reality is something else. I can desire to be playing in TM but is it realistic? Ok, I accept it is a bad example but I hope you see my point.

Ali jan I am not sure if I understand vali be khoda I am not expecting too much. The way I see it, the reality of our football today is that we have the potential to win in Asia, we have the potential to be the best in Asia, perhaps not dominate it, but win the asian cup...but, our football federation lacks the management to create a winning team and by handing our destiny to young coaches like GN only brings failure after failure...
Ali jan I didn't expect this team to do well at the world's stage, last year I had no expectation regarding the team advancing from its group, but this year and knowing we have not won in 32 years and have at least half of our team playing beyond the level of asia, I think I rightfully expect this team to win the cup, but can't have faith in GN...i realize that football is not a perfect science and even with the best coach and the best players you may not win a competition, however, GN so far has showed what most of us feared and that is mistakes after mistake, and that's according to most football experts, coaches and others, not the fans.

[Ali Chicago]

Ali jan I am not sure if I understand vali be khoda I am not expecting too much. The way I see it, the reality of our football today is that we have the potential to win in Asia, we have the potential to be the best in Asia, perhaps not dominate it, but win the asian cup...but, our football federation lacks the management to create a winning team and by handing our destiny to young coaches like GN only brings failure after failure...
Ali jan I didn't expect this team to do well at the world's stage, last year I had no expectation regarding the team advancing from its group, but this year and knowing we have not won in 32 years and have at least half of our team playing beyond the level of asia, I think I rightfully expect this team to win the cup, but can't have faith in GN...i realize that football is not a perfect science and even with the best coach and the best players you may not win a competition, however, GN so far has showed what most of us feared and that is mistakes after mistake, and that's according to most football experts, coaches and others, not the fans.

Guess I didn't explain right or you miss my point. Point is gold days of past was fundementally different. Iran today is a power in Asia still, but other countries are progressing as well. So expectation of that kind of dominnance is not realistic. Look at how KSA beat Indonesia 2-1 in 94th minute or Korea barely advances from its group.

It is not about GN or IFF. Football at world stage is becoming much more competetive. As for IFF incompetency I totally agree and no argument and it is part of the factor, but football isn't just IFF. IFF is being dragged forward by the overall football progress in our country as well instead of leading it.

Look man in our country player are getting paid 250 million K to play football. Forigners come to our country to make money while playing football. Still not comparable to UAE or Qatar clubs but there is money in football.

Point is soccer is progressing not as an optimal pace but progressing nevertheles.

[The-Red]

Guess I didn't explain right or you miss my point. Point is gold days of past was fundementally different. Iran today is a power in Asia still, but other countries are progressing as well. So expectation of that kind of dominnance is not realistic. Look at how KSA beat Indonesia 2-1 in 94th minute or Korea barely advances from its group.
It is not about GN or IFF. Football at world stage is becoming much more competetive. As for IFF incompetency I totally agree and no argument and it is part of the factor, but football isn't just IFF. IFF is being dragged forward by the overall football progress in our country as well instead of leading it.
Look man in our country player are getting paid 250 million K to play football. Forigners come to our country to make money while playing football. Still not comparable to UAE or Qatar clubs but there is money in football.
Point is soccer is progressing not as an optimal pace but progressing nevertheles.

And how does all that, which is all true, make GN the right man for the job? or are you saying that GN is only small part of the problem as I think you are saying! what I am saying and what my basic argument is that with the right coach, which could be any 2nd class european coach with some international experience as head coach, and even with this tough competition, we could have a much better chance at winning this with the current talents in the team. That's all. I am sorry if I am not understanding your main point, I am still working on my english despite being in law school lol