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    #16
    Originally posted by The-Red View Post
    kaz jan, i actually don't think that's a big part of the problem at all...fans will always be fans, no matter where in the world you go, same with players, ya some are more pro than others, but it is a coach's job to know what he is getting into when he takes over a national team, it's a huuuuuuuug responsibility and whether he is up to it or not and should know in case of a failure, what will follow....
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    Armin Khan,
    Your point about fans being fans is valid. However, how do you describe the fact that Germany looses to Italy in WC 2006 on German soil and German fans stand up and cheer for the German team with an inexpereinced coach (Kleinsman who happen to live in US and all those issues). Remember Korean and Japanees fans in WC. despite Japan loosing most of the games in the WC never ever isulted their players or coahes.

    In Iran we don't know how to criticize. Watch GN, Zolfaghar Nasab, Haj Rezai Ferdosie poor. A good example of how we dont' know how to ciritize is Ferdoosi Poor. Haj Rezai and Zolfaghar Nasab were much more knowledgable and had serious criticizem for GN, they said it too. But Ferdoosipoor as a host, did you see what he said or how he said it? He is asking TM coach to Resign while he is supposed to be the host, supposedly a neutral host. Really it was a shame. We know how to destory but dont' know how to criticize. Haj Rezai or Zolfaghar nasab seriously challlenged GN, with sensationalisem. Ferdoosipoor on the contrary. I think this is the point Kaz is trying to make.
    "When I see the good in you, you get motivated, feel good about yourself and that creates synergy. It creates an environment where everybody can work better together. I think in the Iranian culture it becomes very ordinary to always see the bad in each other."
    Afshin Ghotbi ( Former TM Head Coach)



    Nasser Hejazi was the Takhti of our football.
    Mohammad Panjali (Former PP and TM Captain)
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      #17
      Originally posted by Ali Chicago View Post
      Your question is aimed at haji I assuem, but here is my two cents (taht I assume is Haji's point as well is )Club coaching and TM coaching are two different things.
      In Club coaching you have the whole year, pre season training, weeks to correct mistakes, remember how Saipa was in a slump for weeks, but they got time to make up for it (thanks in big part to screw up by Esteghlal but nevertheles you see my point).
      TM coaching is totally different since the camps are short (except WC or AFC for example). So as TM coach you need to have really good selection eyes, don't have time to teach complex tactical stuff and need to react very fast (real-time) during the game, because in a tournament you have three games to get thorugh round robin or two games (home and away) for qualification. And the most important piece of puzzle is motivation of players. Club level coachins is totally different.
      Hope you see what I am gettting at.
      Thanks for your reply, but this was not my question.

      Hajagha is saying that a foreign coach will not be a good idea for our TM. He brought two reasons, 1. family reasons (which somehow only applies to Iran and not countries like Japan and Korea) and 2.the fact that a national team coach can have the team for just a short period of time.

      Now my question for his first reason is, how come he recommends a foreign coach for our clubs then? (because the family issue can apply to a club coach too). And for his second reason, my question was how come a foreign coach works for other asian countries and not us.
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        #18
        Originally posted by TM-Fan View Post
        Thanks for your reply, but this was not my question.
        Hajagha is saying that a foreign coach will not be a good idea for our TM. He brought two reasons, 1. family reasons (which somehow only applies to Iran and not countries like Japan and Korea) and 2.the fact that a national team coach can have the team for just a short period of time.
        Now my question for his first reason is, how come he recommends a foreign coach for our clubs then? (because the family issue can apply to a club coach too). And for his second reason, my question was how come a foreign coach works for other asian countries and not us.
        Well a forigen coach at the club level, has plaeyrs for hundreds of session to practice and all, so he will have time to change their mentality and change them.

        I myself when came out of country and played football otuside Iran, took me two years until I changed my playing style. I was so resistant against it. So in short the answer is a forigne coach has and needs time to change players at club level at TM he won't have that WC or AFC camps are exceptions and even at that a coach can't take time away and work on teaching our forwards how to turn with the ball to face the goal.
        "When I see the good in you, you get motivated, feel good about yourself and that creates synergy. It creates an environment where everybody can work better together. I think in the Iranian culture it becomes very ordinary to always see the bad in each other."
        Afshin Ghotbi ( Former TM Head Coach)



        Nasser Hejazi was the Takhti of our football.
        Mohammad Panjali (Former PP and TM Captain)
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          #19
          Originally posted by TM-Fan View Post
          Now my question for his first reason is, how come he recommends a foreign coach for our clubs then? (because the family issue can apply to a club coach too). And for his second reason, my question was how come a foreign coach works for other asian countries and not us.
          As a matter of fact, he can't do any thing without family as he is occupid with most days of the year (unlike national teams which are "bokhor-o-bekhab" for most days of the year). You can't ask a person to bring the family, but when he sees he needs them and he has no time to go and visit them, if he needs the job, he will.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Hajagha View Post
            ........There is not much one can add to it, there is no secrecy into it any more. You can copy a team tactic such as Barca, Man'United, Milan, Arsenal, Bayern,... by only watching a few videos of that particular team. .......
            1- reza jan, I didnt criticize you. I just said it isnt possible at the moment.
            ey babaaaaa. to ham che zood be khodet gerefti o behet bar khord, amoo.
            dige chera tohmat mizani ?
            ma faghat goftim "alaan nemisheh". bass !


            2- to play like barca or ... you gotta have barca's kind of players.
            to have barca's kind of players, you gotta have them train and learn the game under barca's kind of youth development coaching and facilities.

            when our players at TM itself, have problems with shooting or trapping the ball, when they cant distinguish when to pass and when to hold onto the ball, when they foolishly decide to dribble when a pass would be far more beneficial , when ... then you cannot expect to have them play like barca ... even if you watch barca's games 1000 times and drill it inot the players.

            this is why I said ( and many share such beleifs too ) that we need top class coaching at the CLUB & YOUTH levels so when the players are BEING DEVELOPED, we instill correct attitudes, sense and techniques in them.
            hence, when they reach the TM, they already are familiar with proper football and need only to be coordinated .

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              #21
              If there not much,one can add...................,So why,some coaches get $50,000............some get $500,000...........and some get $5,000,000 ?........

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