Ferdoosi Poor in GN/Zolfaghar Nasab/Haj Rezi Round Table

[yashar_fasihnia]

Ghalenoi absolutely has the right to express his opinion that TV3 is Iran's greatest enemy of football. This is his personal opinion(whether or not his opinion is valid, or supported by facts is a separate discussion).
However, conversely, Adel Ferdowsipour, as a host of a discussion, has no professional role to ask the head coach of a national team to retire. He has no right to declare, in an insulting manner, 'Goodbye Ali Daei, Goodbye Branko
. He has no right to insult Reza Enayati. As a host, he is crossing the line.

and who gave that right to ghalenoi? you???
just like adel as a host has some responsibilities and duties, so does ghalenoi as TM coach and representative of iran in the whole asia.

neither ferdosipour nor any of his colleagues insulted enayati or anyother TM palyer during the tournament.

and sevoman, when someone accuses u of something, whether wrong or right (in this case wrong), its natural to get defensive! ghalenoi could have expressed his dissatisfaction with TV3 IN GENERAL (cos they never said anything during the tournament)
1)first of all, before or after the cup since TV3 didnt say anything unpleasant regarding TM during the tournament.
2)in a more diplomatic, cultured and softer manner.
If ghalenoi openly declares a "blunt"war, he should also expect ferdosipour and whoever else ghalenoi accused to be equally blunt, just like the navad show when maelli kohan was invited!

adel ferodsipour was pointing out the fact that if ghalenoi is openly saying he is responsible for the failure of TM,
why doesnt he accept his mistakes or even resign if he is so bold to say he was responsible for everything!

this indirectly means that, aghaye ghalenoi, stop BSing, we know ur sorry has no real meaning and value and like most of us, he is not falling for ghalenois "shoar"

[RaginG Inferno]

and who gave that right to ghalenoi? you???
just like adel as a host has some responsibilities and duties, so does ghalenoi as TM coach and representative of iran in the whole asia.
neither ferdosipour nor any of his colleagues insulted enayati or anyother TM palyer during the tournament.
and sevoman, when someone accuses u of something, whether wrong or right (in this case wrong), its natural to get defensive! ghalenoi could have expressed his dissatisfaction with TV3 IN GENERAL (cos they never said anything during the tournament)
1)first of all, before or after the cup since TV3 didnt say anything unpleasant regarding TM during the tournament.
2)in a more diplomatic, cultured and softer manner.
If ghalenoi openly declares a "blunt"war, he should also expect ferdosipour and whoever else ghalenoi accused to be equally blunt, just like the navad show when maelli kohan was invited!
adel ferodsipour was pointing out the fact that if ghalenoi is openly saying he is responsible for the failure of TM,
why doesnt he accept his mistakes or even resign if he is so bold to say he was responsible for everything!
this indirectly means that, aghaye ghalenoi, stop BSing, we know ur sorry has no real meaning and value and like most of us, he is not falling for ghalenois "shoar"

Who gave Amir Ghalenoei the right to express his opinion? Not me. It's his god given right. This especially applies if he is being interviewed! I'm not sure whether you missed it or not, but I reiterate: Whether his opinion is valid or not is another discussion.


You mentioned that "just like adel as a host has some responsibilities and duties, so does ghalenoi as TM coach and representative of iran in the whole asia."
I agree, that Adel as a host has responsibilities and duties. I also agree that Ghalenoei did not perform his duties as a coach as well as he should have. But this is not a discussion of GN, it is one regarding the conduct of Adel Ferdowsipour, who disregarded his position as a neutral facilitator of discussion, and began attacking Ghalenoei.

"neither ferdosipour nor any of his colleagues insulted enayati or anyother TM palyer during the tournament."

I will take your word for this. However, they have engaged(Adel himself more than others) in insulting players/coach(Daei, Branko), as I have demonstrated in previous coaches.

"adel ferodsipour was pointing out the fact that if ghalenoi is openly saying he is responsible for the failure of TM,
why doesnt he accept his mistakes or even resign if he is so bold to say he was responsible for everything!"

I agree, that this is what Adel was attempting to do. However, ask yourself, was this Adel Ferdowsipour's role? Or was it Zolfaghar Nesab and Hejrezi's roles? This is the crucial question. He should NOT be intervening, if his role is one of a neutral host.

Adel ostensibly tried to get revenge on GN for his comments declaring TV3 to be an enemy of Iran's football, in the wrong context. This is unquestionably unprofessional. If Adel had a desire to discuss these accusations, the appropriate time to do this is not when he is supposed to be a neutral, unbiased presenter.

[yashar_fasihnia]

Who gave Amir Ghalenoei the right to express his opinion? Not me. It's his god given right. This especially applies if he is being interviewed! I'm not sure whether you missed it or not, but I reiterate: Whether his opinion is valid or not is another discussion.

freedom of speech and expression is valid as long as it is within boundaries, in this case, clearly it wasnt"!
why not ghalenoi just go ahead and "express his opinion" about ferdosipours mom and sister as well?
and then on the other hand, u refuse to give "the freedom of expression" to adel ferodsipour for stating his opinion?

like i said and u agreed,just like adel as a host has some responsibilities and duties, so does ghalenoi as TM coach and representative of iran in the whole asia."
this includes respecting others and keeping within the boundaries of all the human born freedoms!

I will take your word for this. However, they have engaged(Adel himself more than others) in insulting players/coach(Daei, Branko), as I have demonstrated in previous coaches.

"adel ferodsipour was pointing out the fact that if ghalenoi is openly saying he is responsible for the failure of TM,
why doesnt he accept his mistakes or even resign if he is so bold to say he was responsible for everything!"
I agree, that this is what Adel was attempting to do. However, ask yourself, was this Adel Ferdowsipour's role? Or was it Zolfaghar Nesab and Hejrezi's roles? This is the crucial question. He should NOT be intervening, if his role is one of a neutral host.

but neitehr hajrezai nor zolfagharnasab did it, maybe cos they were afraid, maybe cos they were mature, but watever the reason, if ferodsipour hadnt asked him that, then nobody would have, and this question is indeed a question of many iranian fans and somebody had to question ghalenoi on behalf of iranian football fans! who should do it then?
like i said, u want to see khiyabani there saying nothing but, amir khan, shoma dorst migin, folan bahman and we as fans dont even get to see ghalenoi answering our questions???
sorry, but i as an iranian football fan,too have my rights to question my national teams headcoach about his failure! where is my god given right gone then??and there are many others like me...

[zzgloo]

If a civilized exchange of thoughts and perspectives is not their concern, I suggest they turn off the T.V.

I will tell them !!

[Ali Chicago]

....
but neitehr hajrezai nor zolfagharnasab did it, maybe cos they were afraid, maybe cos they were mature, but watever the reason, if ferodsipour hadnt asked him that, then nobody would have, and this question is indeed a question of many iranian fans and somebody had to question ghalenoi on behalf of iranian football fans! who should do it then?like i said, u want to see khiyabani there saying nothing but, amir khan, shoma dorst migin, folan bahman and we as fans dont even get to see ghalenoi answering our questions???
sorry, but i as an iranian football fan,too have my rights to question my national teams headcoach about his failure! where is my god given right gone then??and there are many others like me...

Agha Yashar,

Don't mean to butt in here, but make a comment about the bolded part. You are totally right, Adel had to ask that question. Nothign was wrong wiht that IMO. That was a reasonable question to ask by a responsible journalist or host. However, Adel's attitude before asking that question was so confrontational that , the question came across as an attack by GN. Adel being a smart educated man, should have known GN already thougth Shabkeh 3 is after him and came to the round table with suspicion and paranoia. It would have been better, Adel being less aggresive, it would have easily given GN a reason to answer the questions in a less defensive manner. Don't you think? Furthermore, Ferdoosi Poor could have put a dent into GN's arugment that Shabakeh 3 is among his enemies (sicne one of the Shabakeh 3 hosts was treating him in a professional, respectful manner (without going easy on him)).

It goes to the whole Befarma Benesheen Betamarg thing. Adel could have asked his resignation question and many harder questions and yet not come across as confrontational.
GN will be gone sooner and later, point is we as a nation learn how to criticize (not making it personal and criticize specific actions, not the person) otherwise the one who is getting criticized is gettign more defensive and it truns to persoanl attacks against each other. What will be missed is the main issues that round table was all about.

[Ali Chicago]

Sorry for an unrelated post (spamming) but please see the following thread:
http://www.persianfootball.com/forum...827#post781827

Fourth anniversary of Ostaad Hossein Fekri. If you knew this man, you knew what a gem he was.

[RaginG Inferno]

freedom of speech and expression is valid as long as it is within boundaries, in this case, clearly it wasnt"!
why not ghalenoi just go ahead and "express his opinion" about ferdosipours mom and sister as well?

The gap between declaring a PROFESSIONAL OPINION that a channel is counterproductive towards soccer and making PERSONAL, derogatory insults regarding someone's character are completely incomparable, it's rather puzzling to see you cannot make this distinction. Anyway, you are becoming sidetracked.

and then on the other hand, u refuse to give "the freedom of expression" to adel ferodsipour for stating his opinion?

You are making your statements as if GN and Adel were engaged in a private debate. You must understand that this was a PROFESSIONAL environment, where there was a debate between football experts and the national team coach. Adel's role was to facilitate the discussion, not to take sides. He failed in this role, as an impartial observer.

this includes respecting others and keeping within the boundaries of all the human born freedoms!

I do not disagree, however, Adel and GN have never got along well. Rather disgracefully, Adel used his position as a neutral facilitator as a launching pad to attack GN. Of course, GN retorted. The actions of both are inexcusable(insults have no place in a civilized discussion), however I'm sure you will agree that Adel started with criticizing GN in this show.

all commentators praise and criticize players and coaches.

No doubt. But there are limits to this. Are you disagreeing that Adel saying "goodbye Branko, goodbye Ali Daei" with spite exceeding the boundaries of criticism?
Anyway this is irrelevant, there is a time and plcae for criticism. When being a neutral observer, this is not the opportune moment.

if we are talking about such comments, im pretty sure ferdosipour isnt the only commentator in iran or even outside iran who makes such comments!!!

As above.

if ferodsipour hadnt asked him that, then nobody would have

Then it is IRIB3's fault in their selection of debaters. This still does not give permission for Adel to start attacking GN when his position is to be neutral.

and this question is indeed a question of many iranian fans and somebody had to question ghalenoi on behalf of iranian football fans! who should do it then?

The football experts did not see these questions as pertinent. If Adel was desperate to ask these questions, a separate one on one interview would be the appropriate situation to attempt this.

sorry, but i as an iranian football fan,too have my rights to question my national teams headcoach about his failure!

I did not say anything to the contrary...I don't know who this point is directed at. By the way, your concepts of failure may be very different to others.

[yashar_fasihnia]

wow,, i cant believe we are still having this argument.
anywayz, this is an old topic and we wont reach any conclusion.
so here is my last response.

The gap between declaring a PROFESSIONAL OPINION that a channel is counterproductive towards soccer and making PERSONAL, derogatory insults regarding someone's character are completely incomparable, it's rather puzzling to see you cannot make this distinction. Anyway, you are becoming sidetracked.

-hehehe, since ghalenoi said this, its considered "professional opinion"?
-did he use such sweet words like "counterproductive"? i dont think so.
-was he right in such claims/acusations? degroraty insults? terrorizing player characters?? i dont think so, not atleast during the asian cup itself. if he is referring outside the asian cup, then why not make this claim before or after the asian cup? last time i checked, ghalenoi was busy in similar actions during the reign of the previous coach. now suddenly he realized TV3 is an enemy of football? right during the middle of asian cup 2007 he came to this conclusion?????
-even if he was right about this accusation, was it the time to make such accusations? agian, i dont think so.

i dont see how ghalenoi was "professional" at all in this situation. his comment was not appropriate and showed exactly how unprofessional he is!
im surprised u cant see this!

You are making your statements as if GN and Adel were engaged in a private debate. You must understand that this was a PROFESSIONAL environment, where there was a debate between football experts and the national team coach. Adel's role was to facilitate the discussion, not to take sides. He failed in this role, as an impartial observer.

let ghalenoi talk and act professional first, then blame ferodsipour of not being a professional.
the football experts didnt ask many questions from the media, ferodsipour was a representative of the football fans and media. he was a representative of someone like me, and many others like me.

im sorry but i dont want ghalenoi to get away without answering to atleast some of my questions, which nobody but adel asked.

adel didnt take sides, adel asked him questions, why did u do this? why didnt u do that? this is not taking sides!
and if ghalenoi gave bullshit answers like he usually does, then ferodsipour had the duty of question ghalenoi again because we are not fools to fall for such stupid answers!
thats exactly wat ferdosipour did, questioned ghalenoi because his answers were stupid.
had ghalenoi given straight forward answers or accepted some mistakes, all this wouldnt have happened.

the whole point of this show was to make ghalenoi answer the question of the people, the fans, TRUTHFULLY and ghalenoi was avoiding it the whole time.
wat should the host do? accept it and let ghalenoi feel happy he has fooled millions of people?

I do not disagree, however, Adel and GN have never got along well. Rather disgracefully, Adel used his position as a neutral facilitator as a launching pad to attack GN. Of course, GN retorted. The actions of both are inexcusable(insults have no place in a civilized discussion), however I'm sure you will agree that Adel started with criticizing GN in this show.
No doubt. But there are limits to this. Are you disagreeing that Adel saying "goodbye Branko, goodbye Ali Daei" with spite exceeding the boundaries of criticism?

again i repeat, ghalenoi had criticized and falsely accused TV3, so obviously when TV3 invites ghalenoi to the show, TV3 (represented by ferdosipour) is gonna question this false accusations of ghalenoi.
ghalenoi was the first one to initiate all the trouble long time back, which shouldnt be a surprise to anyone by many times putting down navad show, calling ferodsipour a ping pong player, etc OPENLY IN THE MEDIA!

if ferdosipour questioned ghalenoi too much, im happy he did, cos there are a million questions iranian fans want to ask ghalenoi,
the most important one being, if ghalenoi so openly and "bravely" admits he is responsible for these results, how come he didnt accept any mistakes that the experts pointed out?
this is insulting peoples intelligence, just like someone comes and keeps telling u im sorry but not meaning it, and then not accepting any of his flaws.
this is insulting to me, does ghalenoi think I or other fans are stupid? this is precisely ferdosipours point, and i give him the right to be irritated! i get irritated when ghalenoi or anybody else talks so much of crap with such calmness and expects others to believe him!

Anyway this is irrelevant, there is a time and plcae for criticism. When being a neutral observer, this is not the opportune moment.
As above.

exactly, and its not in the middle of a tournament specially when during the same tournament, TV3 did nothing but support them. like i said, ghalenoi could have said this after the tournament, or if he really cared about such matters, say it earlier before the tournament or during the reign of previous coaches.
how come that time he never pointed out this factor but rather, added fuel to the fire???

Then it is IRIB3's fault in their selection of debaters. This still does not give permission for Adel to start attacking GN when his position is to be neutral.
The football experts did not see these questions as pertinent. If Adel was desperate to ask these questions, a separate one on one interview would be the appropriate situation to attempt this.

maybe the experts didnt ask this question for other reasons, and it wouldnt be a surprise if it were other reasons considering the beauracracy and the system our country runs on.

maybe if we had firouz karimi there instead, he would have asked similar questions to ghalenoi because he is another person who isnt afraid to talk, atlaest upto an extent, compared to most others.

adel is another such character and such characters are needed to reveal wats really happening in our country.

if u disagree, please show me a better solution of coming to know about the truth.

By the way, your concepts of failure may be very different to others.

yet it might be very similar to many others as it is clear on the forums and in the media and among many critiques as well.

[RaginG Inferno]

-hehehe, since ghalenoi said this, its considered "professional opinion"?

He is entitled to express his opinion in the right environment(a debate regarding reasons for Iran's inability to win the AC is an appropriate environment to do so). For the tenth time, whether or not his opinion is valid or not is another debate.

-did he use such sweet words like "counterproductive"? i dont think so.

No, he did not. He used the word enemy

.-was he right in such claims/acusations? degroraty insults? terrorizing player characters??

Again, whether or not his opinion is valid or not is another debate..
As a side note, it was not as if his comments were without provocation, but it appears as if you disagree on this issue.

The issue is, he was engaged in a debate,

Exactly! But not with Adel Ferdowsipour! Adel served the role of the chairperson.

last time i checked, ghalenoi was busy in similar actions during the reign of the previous coach. now suddenly he realized TV3 is an enemy of football? right during the middle of asian cup 2007 he came to this conclusion?????

Again, I am not discussing the validity of his claims, but merely his right to make them given the context of the debate.

was it the time to make such accusations?

Unquestionably! He was engaged in a debate, and gave this accusation as a reason for his failure!

i dont see how ghalenoi was "professional" at all in this situation.

His substantiation for his comments was not professional. Perhaps, as a result, his claims were also unprofessional, but this again, we are not discussing the content of his claims. You are getting sidetracked, I'm afraid.

let ghalenoi talk and act professional first, then blame ferodsipour of not being a professional.

This is a feeble argument. The fact that others have neglected(supposedly) to do the right thing does not excuse others from doing the right thing. Almost every legal system works on this premise.

the football experts didnt ask many questions from the media,

This is their error.

ferodsipour was a representative of the football fans and media.

No, Ferdwosipour was the host of a program. Ferdowsipour as an impromptu step made himself the representative of the football fans and media, and this is where he made a mistake.

he was a representative of someone like me, and many others like me.

Refer to above.

im sorry but i dont want ghalenoi to get away without answering to atleast some of my questions

And you think I do?

adel didnt take sides, adel asked him questions

By asking him these questions, he was taking sides.

Additionally, if he was going to be a observer or judge in the middle, to be fair, he would also need to question Zolfagharnasab and Hejrezi's opinions and arguments not only Ghalenoei's.

then ferodsipour had the duty of question ghalenoi again because we are not fools to fall for such stupid answers!

You are confusing his role with that of the football experts. I repeat, he was assigned as an impartial host of this discussion.

wat should the host do?

Either pick better debaters to press Ghalenoei( you said it yourself "maybe if we had firouz karimi there instead, he would have asked similar questions to ghalenoi because he is another person who isnt afraid to talk, atlaest upto an extent, compared to most others.).

Or he can find a separate occasion to conduct a one vs one inteview. Ghalenoei simply can't jump in the middle because he doesn't like GN's answers, this is taking sides.

again i repeat, ghalenoi had criticized and falsely accused TV3

This is not we are discussing.

ghalenoi was the first one to initiate all the trouble long time back, which shouldnt be a surprise to anyone by many times putting down navad show, calling ferodsipour a ping pong player, etc OPENLY IN THE MEDIA!
if ferdosipour questioned ghalenoi too much, im happy he did, cos there are a million questions iranian fans want to ask ghalenoi,
the most important one being, if ghalenoi so openly and "bravely" admits he is responsible for these results, how come he didnt accept any mistakes that the experts pointed out?
this is insulting peoples intelligence, just like someone comes and keeps telling u im sorry but not meaning it, and then not accepting any of his flaws.
this is insulting to me, does ghalenoi think I or other fans are stupid? this is precisely ferdosipours point, and i give him the right to be irritated! i get irritated when ghalenoi or anybody else talks so much of crap with such calmness and expects others to believe him!

All of this may be correct. But this still does not mean Adel can suddenly decide he is a debater too, and start pressing GN when his explicit role is to host a discussion and facilitate conversation between the two parties.

[Ali Chicago]

Another example of Ferdoosi Poor being too Opinionated

Another example of Ferdoosi Poor stepping out of his area:

I watched the Pegah and PP game on PFTV (merci Agha Mansoor and PFDC), however, today Ferdoosipoor was the reporter on IRIB2 ( I guess that is where PFTV got the signal).

In the first half, there was a scence where a Pegah player tried to get the ball that was behind him with the back of his heal. At that moment Aghai PP player had his head reall down and heel of the Pegah player hit Aghayee face.

I am not an official ref, but I think it was in US, it would have been Aghayee's foul since he had his head way down. Like I said I am not an official ref, so I can be wrong. Mombayni blew his whistle and called a foul against Pegah. Ferdoosi poor several times mentioned why Ref didnt' give a yellow card to Pegah player. Rest of the IRIB announcers, usually refrain from making any comment about referee and his decisions and even on the calls that are somewhat obvious that ref ****ed up, they say something like " Karshenasan Davari dar een bareh bayad nazar bedahand" which means, expert referees need to make a call on vaildity of the call. But Ferdoosi Poor, no, the guy is so opinionated that needs to make a comment. Worst thing is that he doesn't have enough information to know that at that scene, actually PP player who was at fault, by bringing his head way down. But for Ferdoosipoor with his know it all attitude, he will make a call like that on the live TV.

He is a good guy and stuff, but he needs to learn about impact of his commentry on live TV and maybe at times, try to remain neutral as a host and will be better off to make comments for or against something.

[purple_haze]

Another example of Ferdoosi Poor stepping out of his area:

I watched the Pegah and PP game on PFTV (merci Agha Mansoor and PFDC), however, today Ferdoosipoor was the reporter on IRIB2 ( I guess that is where PFTV got the signal).

In the first half, there was a scence where a Pegah player tried to get the ball that was behind him with the back of his heal. At that moment Aghai PP player had his head reall down and heel of the Pegah player hit Aghayee face.

I am not an official ref, but I think it was in US, it would have been Aghayee's foul since he had his head way down. Like I said I am not an official ref, so I can be wrong. Mombayni blew his whistle and called a foul against Pegah. Ferdoosi poor several times mentioned why Ref didnt' give a yellow card to Pegah player. Rest of the IRIB announcers, usually refrain from making any comment about referee and his decisions and even on the calls that are somewhat obvious that ref ****ed up, they say something like " Karshenasan Davari dar een bareh bayad nazar bedahand" which means, expert referees need to make a call on vaildity of the call. But Ferdoosi Poor, no, the guy is so opinionated that needs to make a comment. Worst thing is that he doesn't have enough information to know that at that scene, actually PP player who was at fault, by bringing his head way down. But for Ferdoosipoor with his know it all attitude, he will make a call like that on the live TV.

He is a good guy and stuff, but he needs to learn about impact of his commentry on live TV and maybe at times, try to remain neutral as a host and will be better off to make comments for or against something.

Good thing you mention this, because compared to some countries that I've lived in the trend in Iran has gone the opposite way and kinda the conservative way. I don't know about US reporters, but in both England and Sweden (I believe the commentary level is quite high in both countries) the commentators always and I repeat always point out the wrong calls and discuss them on the spot when they happen, be it a wrongly given foul, incorrect card given or the deserved but not given fouls and cards.
I never ever once hear them censor it out completely and put a lid on it by saying: Let's leave that to the officials. The only time they say that is when the game has been suspended for some reason and won't be continued. In other words, the matters not seen on the spot and visible for everyone to see.

Now I haven't seen this particular incident that you're mentioning and it's not really relevant. The commentator has expressed his view. As I said I've seen foreign commentators (those countries that I mentioned) express their views on something they are seeing or just have seen, be it wrong of right.
His words are not the law and they're not gonna suspend the ref because of what he said.
A couple of years ago the poor standard of refereeing was at such a level it was pure chaos (the proof of that is how our refs have been doing internationally too, with very few exceptions) and what they saw fittest at the time was to ban and counter anything and anyone criticizing the ref actions. This whole thing slowly and eventually became an unwritten and unspoken law and almost the whole football scene started going by it. If this force of silence thing has done any improvements to the refereeing is another matter that needs another discussion and is not relevant here.

This is not a speech in defense of Ferdosipoor, but rather a reaction to the other so called commentators that have become passive, predictable, boring robots that only do everything by the script and lack any soul in their commentating what so ever.

[Ali Chicago]

Good thing you mention this, because compared to some countries that I've lived in the trend in Iran has gone the opposite way and kinda the conservative way. I don't know about US reporters, but in both England and Sweden (I believe the commentary level is quite high in both countries) the commentators always and I repeat always point out the wrong calls and discuss them on the spot when they happen, be it a wrongly given foul, incorrect card given or the deserved but not given fouls and cards.
I never ever once hear them censor it out completely and put a lid on it by saying: Let's leave that to the officials. The only time they say that is when the game has been suspended for some reason and won't be continued. In other words, the matters not seen on the spot and visible for everyone to see.

Now I haven't seen this particular incident that you're mentioning and it's not really relevant. The commentator has expressed his view. As I said I've seen foreign commentators (those countries that I mentioned) express their views on something they are seeing or just have seen, be it wrong of right.
His words are not the law and they're not gonna suspend the ref because of what he said.
A couple of years ago the poor standard of refereeing was at such a level it was pure chaos (the proof of that is how our refs have been doing internationally too, with very few exceptions) and what they saw fittest at the time was to ban and counter anything and anyone criticizing the ref actions. This whole thing slowly and eventually became an unwritten and unspoken law and almost the whole football scene started going by it. If this force of silence thing has done any improvements to the refereeing is another matter that needs another discussion and is not relevant here.

This is not a speech in defense of Ferdosipoor, but rather a reaction to the other so called commentators that have become passive, predictable, boring robots that only do everything by the script and lack any soul in their commentating what so ever.

Well, It is easy to bash refs, they have to make a call in hunderdth of a sec where you and I or any fan can sit at home and watch the reply. So, to me a host has to realize this and respect the ref and the game and refrain from making a call, unless he is totally sure (after watching the replay).

So in general, if the commentator has enough knowledge to make a call, he can mention it but realzis the ref is way closer and also every ref or human will make a mistake. I am going on the wire and make a guess here, but I think Adel somehow likes PP and when it comes to that team, he kind of forgets that he is a host on a live TV show and gets too emotional.

In genral, I prefer the commentators unless the call is obviously wrong to refrain from commenting, but that is my preference and it wouldn't make it the right choice.

[purple_haze]

Yeah Adel is Perspolisi and Khiabani is EsEsi, everyone knows that.
Correct, the refs are human and are allowed to make mistakes and they should above all be respected no question about that, but they do get ciriticized everywhere in the world and so they should, specially when no improvements are made and the number of mistakes become alarmingly high and decisive (I'm not talking about this particualr incident in the PP-Pegah game as it was just ferdosipoor's opinion)

[Ali Chicago]

Yeah Adel is Perspolisi and Khiabani is EsEsi, everyone knows that.
Correct, the refs are human and are allowed to make mistakes and they should above all be respected no question about that, but they do get ciriticized everywhere in the world and so they should, specially when no improvements are made and the number of mistakes become alarmingly high and decisive (I'm not talking about this particualr incident in the PP-Pegah game as it was just ferdosipoor's opinion)

I didn't know that (Ferdoosi Poor is PP and Khiabani is EsEs). A couple of years ago, I was watching IRIB and they asked Khiabani which team he likes, he said "Shahin", but if you say so.

I have no problem refs get evaluated. As a matter of fact, if I was in charge even in US, I would put a system in place, where Refs gets marked by a comitte of refs after each game as well (this way, they have more motivation to make the right calls, since they know someone will sit down and evaluate them). And if they made a huge mistake, even they have to sit out a couple of games.

My point wasn't much about this one call, I think it is a pattern in Ferdoosi poor that he acts much more than just a host and a comentator. Regina (the other member in the forum) was saying at the end of Iran Angola game, Ferdoosi Poor said Good Bye Branko, Good Bye Ali Daei. Then there was his billigerant interview with GN and now this.

[Doctor DOOM]

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In the first half, there was a scence where a Pegah player tried to get the ball that was behind him with the back of his heal. At that moment Aghai PP player had his head reall down and heel of the Pegah player hit Aghayee face.
I am not an official ref, but I think it was in US, it would have been Aghayee's foul since he had his head way down. Like I said I am not an official ref, so I can be wrong. Mombayni blew his whistle and called a foul against Pegah. Ferdoosi poor several times mentioned why Ref didnt' give a yellow card to Pegah player. Rest of the IRIB announcers, usually refrain from making any comment about referee and his decisions and even on the calls that are somewhat obvious that ref ****ed up, they say something like " Karshenasan Davari dar een bareh bayad nazar bedahand" which means, expert referees need to make a call on vaildity of the call. ...............

1- true.
I think the player who is penalized is the fellow who commits the dangerous act : aghaei.

2- while ferdosi veryPOOR's comment will cause more stress and bias among the TV audience, it will be nothing compared to what he'll do at his 90 program !

I bet he will try the same crap there too. and always starts more controversies and fights between coaches and IFF and refereeing comittee fellows and ... !!
the idiot !

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well, actually , purple jan, khiabani is a 6-dong PP fan. dont doubt that.
ferdosi-very-POOR is definitely NOT a pp fan. oft times he does have a blue tinge ... but then again, the guy is such an ego-maniacal idiot that no-1 knows for sure !
so I'd say any word in favor of any team, you can be sure he has an ulterior motive beyond simply being a fan.