Dear Mod............

[zzgloo]

With appreciation for all the time, our Mods spend ,for our PFDC,and its survival,and heathy enviroment.............I like to ask, :
Why, the thread initiated by my friend ali-chicago was closed ?
( it is your right to close any thread,as see unworthy, but you need to explain why ! ).....or may be you do n't !!!??
As I see it, he has not used any bad language,nor has he insulted anybody. he merely,has stated to his fellow members, in F+ forum,where there is supposed to be an " open ", enviroment,what he has seen,heard and experinced...as he used to be a poletical prisoner in Islamic republic.............He had spent time in prison,for the right of us,other iranians.................I would say, he has earned the right,to be listen to....................specialy,in F+ Forum...........
more,over,.....we are not,in islamic republic, to have a FAGHIH here,as we can judge for our own,what is to believe,and what not to..........
We have heard,others say worse things about the past of ahmadinejad,even in regular GENERAL FORUM..............why not here, by a well respected member of our F+ forum ?

[BehzadB]

In my opinion, with all due respect to Ali Chicago, his post (thread) was not a football related subject and it was definitely a huge accusation without a shred of evidence..

members such as Ali Chicago who are experienced and mature should know better than to start up a thread like that in F+.. maybe in General Forum


Although I am not crazy about seeing threads closed down in F+, I just don't see why it should be left open.. I actually think it should be deleted altogether.

that's just my opinion

[zzgloo]

In my opinion, with all due respect to Ali Chicago, his post (thread) was not a football related subject and it was definitely a huge accusation without a shred of evidence..

members such as Ali Chicago who are experienced and mature should know better than to start up a thread like that in F+.. maybe in General Forum


Although I am not crazy about seeing threads closed down in F+, I just don't see why it should be left open.. I actually think it should be deleted altogether.

that's just my opinion

Behzad-B........e aziz........
why,in all people, you say that /?
This is not a football forum, it is a football + forum.......that means FOOTBALL PLUS somethingels !!, something that has to do with IFF...............
Who are we supporting here ?
You need proof ?......OK, do n't belive it...................why,it hearts you to see it ?
Is that all you can do, for some one who spent part of his life in prison for you ?

[BehzadB]

Behzad-B........e aziz........
why,in all people, you say that /?
This is not a football forum, it is a football + forum.......that means FOOTBALL PLUS somethingels !!, something that has to do with IFF...............
Who are we supporting here ?
You need proof ?......OK, do n't belive it...................why,it hearts you to see it ?

Aziz, the + sign next to "Football" doesn't mean "other stuff".. It relates to the core members who are selected to this forum..

I am surprised that you are asking me if I want Proof.. wouldn't you?

Baba, If I came here and opened up a thread and said, QN used to be a bacheh Baz or an Executioner , wouldn't you or Ali chicago ask for proof?
is that thread worth leaving open here?

I am sure I could make a thread like that in the general forum and get away with it, but here if you make a claim (specially an accusation that big) the least that you are expected to do is to provide proof.

and if it is a political thread then it shouldn't be here to begin with..

+ means we expect more.. (at least as far as I have understood it!)

[zzgloo]

Aziz, the + sign next to "Football" doesn't mean "other stuff".. It relates to the core members who are selected to this forum..
I am surprised that you are asking me if I want Proof.. wouldn't you?
Baba, If I came here and opened up a thread and said, QN used to be a bacheh Baz or an Executioner , wouldn't you or Ali chicago ask for proof?
is that thread worth leaving open here?
I am sure I could make a thread like that in the general forum and get away with it, but here if you make a claim (specially an accusation that big) the least that you are expected to do is to provide proof.

Behzad-B jaan.................
I understand, your point well !!!!!!!!!!!But, you are not considering many points here..............
1- We have seen more posts from Ali, and he is normaly not a propagandist.
2-You need a proof ,comeing from IRI ?.........there is no proof for killing the froohars either.........
3-football plus, means, there are some members who understand the value of Civilized,and democratic dialouge...and are allowed to speak,matters beyoung football,as well as football.
4-In football Plus, in my opinion,if one is civilized and understand limitations, should be allowed to even go out of those ( limitations ), once in a while...because, in real civilized democratic exchanges, there are no absolutes !!,specialy,from some one who had no past ,of such acts.
5- His time in prison, needs to be respected.

[BehzadB]

Behzad-B jaan.................
I understand, your point well !!!!!!!!!!!But, you are not considering many points here..............
1- We have seen more posts from Ali, and he is normaly not a propagandist.
2-You need a proof ,comeing from IRI ?.........there is no proof for killing the froohars either.........
3-football plus, means, there are some members who understand the value of Civilized,and democratic dialouge...and are allowed to speak,matters beyoung football,as well as football.
4-In football Plus, in my opinion,if one is civilized and understand limitations, should be allowed to even go out of those ( limitations ), once in a while...because, in real civilized democratic exchanges, there are no absolutes !!,specialy,from some one who had no past ,of such acts.
5- His time in prison, needs to be respected.

I do understand the points you are making and that's why in my first post I stated that "I am not crazy about seeing threads closed down in F+"..

As you can see, even right now our discussion is moving to the likes of Foroohars and IR and killings and torture of prisoners ..etc none of which are football related.. can you imagine where that thread would have gone?

I am not saying that Ali's opinion or claims should not be discussed, it most certainly should be discussed and expressed, but there is a place for that and it's called the General Forum.. that's all

If that thread was in General forum and had been closed , I would have had a problem with it too..

[gol_kuchik]

I just read that post, after I read this exchange. Ali Chicago is making an
accusation against a potential candidate for IFF.

There are really 2 distinct discussions here:

Is Ajorloo being considered for IFF director?
Yes/No

1-If Yes, allegations of this nature about his past are very relevant
and must be definitely investigated/discussed. As a simple rule, as
much as many dislike GN or Ali-Abadi no one has accused them of being a torturer.
(so if someone is accusing Ajorloo and he is a candidate, then these type of
questions are fair)

2-If No, (he is not being considered for this position), then obviously discussion
about his past would be appropriate for general forum as Behzad suggests.

==================================================

-Unfortunately, due to a very closed system in which decisions are made
at different levels behind close doors, by the time someone is appointed to
the head of IFF, it would be too late to discuss his background.

-If an appointment of an individual with human right violation in his
record is made to IFF, then effectively it is those who
make such appointments who are forcing politics into Football, not fans who
are simply signalling the issue.

In the end, hopefully we all realize:
-If a political appointment of this nature is made, by staying silent about it,
we are not really making football non-political, we simply approve the
politics that rules our football.

[The-Red]

actually I have to agree with ZZgloo on this one! i mean I read the case as well and I can see how such a thread can be marked controversial and be closed down in the general forum, but here there must be a reason why it is called football plus forum and if any member has a problem with the content of the topic can talk about it and since we are all adult here I don't see a problem with having a conversation as such here.

with all due respect to all moderators.
peace you all

[The-Red]

And back to the topic of discussion:

In this atmosphere of post AFC elimination every one is involved with analysing Iran's defeat and not many people pay attention to IFF election taht is coming up in a month.

I don't want to turn this to a political thing, but based on my contacts with folsk in Tehran, it seems certain political group in Iran is pushing Mostafa Ajoorloo to run as next IFF head. There is a poll at ipna.ir site and you see Ajoorloo is running second or third.

I don't know about football competency of Mr. Ajoorloo, but there is a strong possiblity that Mr. Ajoorloo is the same person as Haaj Mojtab halwayee. For those who were in Evin as polictical prisoner, must have heard Haaj Mojtaba Halwaii as one of the head interogatores and toruturers. He had a strong hatred specially toward leftist prisoners.
Haaj Mojtabe Halwaii, particpated in execution of political prisoners and was the commander of firing squad in many instances. I heard it from a Pasdar who claimed he himself was in the fire squad who executed Nakhooda Afzali, that during his execution the gun who was supposed to shoot at him didn't fire. Mojtaba Halwaii (the same person who was heading the Paas and now is the leading figure by certain faction of the government to head IFF), pulled his hand gun and shot Afzali 7 or 8 times.

I don't think someone who has his hand is stained in blood and suppression of the people is the right person to head IFF. People need to know, who real Ajoorloo is. As the saying in Farsi goes, "Aftab hameesheh pooshte Abr Nemeemooneh"

I have heard similar things about Ajoorloo, and even though just because it is out there, it doesn't make it true, as they say; ta nabashad chizaki, mardom nagooyand chizha"...I mean since this ahmaghinejad guy has taken over, almost all institutions and government organizations have been infected by his kind of people and IFF is no different.
Unfortunately the trend will continue and we will have nothing to say about it and it is the football that get hurt, the people of course.

[BehzadB]

i mean I read the case as well and I can see how such a thread can be marked controversial and be closed down in the general forum

controversial in General Forum?
I see the opposite in that forum..

there is nothing controversial in General forum.. all sorts of stuff are discussed there, even Religion (which was not allowed before).. I would have been shocked if Ali's thread was closed in the General Forum..

From what I have seen the only reason threads are closed in that forum is because members start fighting and insult each other, not because of the subject matter..

[The-Red]

controversial in General Forum?
I see the opposite in that forum..

there is nothing controversial in General forum.. all sorts of stuff are discussed there, even Religion (which was not allowed before).. I would have been shocked if Ali's thread was closed in the General Forum..

From what I have seen the only reason threads are closed in that forum is because members start fighting and insult each other, not because of the subject matter..

you are probably right BehzadB jan, I am not active in the general forum, but I was thinking that would probably be the way, if anything...
anyways, I hope there are no hard feelings at the end of all th is between members.

[BehzadB]

you are probably right BehzadB jan, I am not active in the general forum, but I was thinking that would probably be the way, if anything...
anyways, I hope there are no heart feelings at the end of all th is between members.

not at all. no hard feelings at all..

Ali Chicago knows enough about me to know that I respect him (we have talked before through PM about other issues).. so I am sure he is not going to take it the wrong way when I agree with the Mod for closing his thread..

As I said before, I don't like to see threads closed in F+ and if they are, it would have been nice to see an explanation as to why it was closed (not a must, but just nice).. in that sense I agree with ZZ..

let's move on.. Perspolis Sarvareh Esteghlaleh..

[The-Red]

let's move on.. Perspolis Sarvareh Esteghlaleh..

akh ghorbooneh dahanet, vali what is new?

lol i wrote "heart" instead of hard feeling

[zzgloo]

.
let's move on.. Perspolis Sarvareh Esteghlaleh..

Behzad jaan.................or is it :
perspolise is the LONGE HAMOOMEME Esteghlal !!

[Essi]

In my opinion, with all due respect to Ali Chicago, his post (thread) was not a football related subject and it was definitely a huge accusation without a shred of evidence..

Actually, I was the one that closed the thread with all due respect to Ali khan. As behazd jan mentioned here, it was a huge accusation without evidence. And not only that, It was more political than football related. I hope ali khan understand it. I'm waiting for more input about this. Nothing is finalized. I can re-open it if needed.

Chakerim

Ali