Dear Mod............

[gol_kuchik]

Actually, I was the one that closed the thread with all due respect to Ali khan. As behazd jan mentioned here, it was a huge accusation without evidence. And not only that, It was more political than football related. I hope ali khan understand it. I'm waiting for more input about this. Nothing is finalized. I can re-open it if needed.
Chakerim
Ali

I think as important as the accusation is, if infact Ajorloo is a candidate
to head IFF. If he is a candidate, how do you propose (where do you
propose) the evidence against him be presented, if the thread is closed?

The topic is completely football relaed, and + forum would be a perfect
place to discuss it, where people would hopefully give evidence in a
logical fashion.

My biggest fear is if the guy gets selected to head IFF, and people would
say shut up and keep quiet because we dont want to undermine IFF, and
prevent discussion about his past which is very relevant.

[zzgloo]

Actually, I was the one that closed the thread with all due respect to Ali khan. As behazd jan mentioned here, it was a huge accusation without evidence. And not only that, It was more political than football related. I hope ali khan understand it. I'm waiting for more input about this. Nothing is finalized. I can re-open it if needed.
Chakerim
Ali

Essi, E Aziz...............
We all appreciate a heathy enviroment here, as we thanked you and mansoor jan, and all mods,for recreating F+ ........
And, thank you, for saying "" I'm waiting for more input about this .nothing finalized. """.............
Ali chicago, may also have something to say, although,the issue has gone ahead of just 'Ali '.....and may define the Bounderies of this forum.
...........................................
The issue has been put forward,about the future of IFF,and its management................This issue,was presented,by an member who is not known to be spammer ..................There are harsh words and accusations...................
So, What is the course of action here ?....................
how about,asking,the sourse, or original sourses...........to provide us, proof,and explanations !!?
Only, then, we can react to its implications .

[webmaster]

I also think that Essi jan did right to do that. Such threads before really evaluating the source should be hurting someone therefore it was appropriate to do so. but if we get some proof then we could bring it back because in this case, I think if it is true, people should know this somehow, maybe not as a front page news but rather as threads, but we need to be careful not to be taken as a rumor spreader. I am sure Ali Chicago jan also agrees with me on this too.

Cheers.

[webmaster]

controversial in General Forum?
I see the opposite in that forum..

there is nothing controversial in General forum.. all sorts of stuff are discussed there, even Religion (which was not allowed before).. I would have been shocked if Ali's thread was closed in the General Forum..

From what I have seen the only reason threads are closed in that forum is because members start fighting and insult each other, not because of the subject matter..

Yes you are right, in general forum people accept opinions and even rumore but here in F+ we opened it to have a mature discussion about football. I don't think the thread would be closed in the general either because many non-factual stuff are also posted and never removed.

[webmaster]

Essi, E Aziz...............
We all appreciate a heathy enviroment here, as we thanked you and mansoor jan, and all mods,for recreating F+ ........
And, thank you, for saying "" I'm waiting for more input about this .nothing finalized. """.............
Ali chicago, may also have something to say, although,the issue has gone ahead of just 'Ali '.....and may define the Bounderies of this forum.
...........................................
The issue has been put forward,about the future of IFF,and its management................This issue,was presented,by an member who is not known to be spammer ..................There are harsh words and accusations...................
So, What is the course of action here ?....................
how about,asking,the sourse, or original sourses...........to provide us, proof,and explanations !!?
Only, then, we can react to its implications .

zz jan. You know that the football+ is generally about football, but this one has more news about politics than football in it, and because this forum is public forum, we cannot just mix stuff here. But because in general forum, as Behzad jan said it wouldn't be shocking there at the same time it wouldn't be a public news. hope you know that we all try to maintain a non-partial front in the public eyes but when you join, everyone has a general forum to discus other issues and more detailed political views.

Thank you

[webmaster]

I think as important as the accusation is, if infact Ajorloo is a candidate
to head IFF. If he is a candidate, how do you propose (where do you
propose) the evidence against him be presented, if the thread is closed?

The topic is completely football relaed, and + forum would be a perfect
place to discuss it, where people would hopefully give evidence in a
logical fashion.

My biggest fear is if the guy gets selected to head IFF, and people would
say shut up and keep quiet because we dont want to undermine IFF, and
prevent discussion about his past which is very relevant.

such an issue needs to be discussed before publicly announced, and even if we find the evidence, releasing such a news is something that needs to be really thought about, so if there is an evidence, please contact us or the admins so we can determine if it is something to be released by us or rather be passed on to be released by a political website. But definitely this is something that has to be dealt with so we know whats going on, so please contact us so we can evaluate this issue if you have any evidences.

thanks

[St_Mark]

not at all. no hard feelings at all..

Ali Chicago knows enough about me to know that I respect him (we have talked before through PM about other issues).. so I am sure he is not going to take it the wrong way when I agree with the Mod for closing his thread..

As I said before, I don't like to see threads closed in F+ and if they are, it would have been nice to see an explanation as to why it was closed (not a must, but just nice).. in that sense I agree with ZZ..

let's move on.. Perspolis Sarvareh Esteghlaleh..

Dear:
Ali Chicago is nice guy but in this case is simply misinformed.



If it become between Basijis and white collars , Basijis will be elected.
If it become between Basijis Ajorlu and Katiraei, Katiraei will be elected.
Indeed if Katiraei is the candidate, consider him new IFF chief. Farahani is trying hard to squeeze in one or two worthless reformers as a candidate, he will fail.
P.S. nakhoda Afzali was spy for KGB and arrested red handed, there were no need of any torture in his case , Once arrested he volunteered more than expected of a commie He asked for forgiveness before execution..
May God forgive his sins and treachery?

[Guru]

P.S. nakhoda Afzali was spy for KGB and arrested red handed, there were no need of any torture in his case , Once arrested he volunteered more than expected of a commie He asked for forgiveness before execution..
May God forgive his sins and treachery?

You seem to have first hand information from inside Evin.

[St_Mark]

You seem to have first hand information from inside Evin.

Membership of Afzali to underground secret military branch of Tudeh party is public knowledge, and your ignorant of such information public ally available does not constitute special privilege of me.
Mehdi Partovi rear admiral Afzali’s”handler" in secret organization, elaborated on this subject on his own confession( Bazgashtegan be noor) that was broadcast by IRIB TV.
Confession of Khosru( Partovi's code name) , in addition to boxes of document confiscated from his safe secret house left no room for Nakhoda Afzali to play innocent. He thought he will never get caught or will be saved either by Russian or Ayat Khameneei (Hojat at the time). Afzali used to attend Namaze Shab!!! , few time with Hojat Khameei (Leader) and he was recommended by him for the Job!! , Well like rest of Tudeh crooks, Kianoori ,Amoooei, Tabari, Etemadezadeh..... All they confess and testified against each others..... Bunch of old farts.... May God forgive them all?
No dear I have not been to Evin, too young at the time for evin but have a taste and experience of it here... where I reside.

[zzgloo]

Membership of Afzali to underground secret military branch of Tudeh party is public knowledge, and your ignorant of such information public ally available does not constitute special privilege of me.

Confession of Khosru( Partovi's code name) , in addition to boxes of document confiscated from his safe secret house left no room for Nakhoda Afzali to play innocent. He thought he will never get caught or will be saved either by Russian or Ayat Khameneei (Hojat at the time). Afzali used to attend Namaze Shab!!! , few time with Hojat Khameei (Leader) and he was recommended by him for the Job!! , Well like rest of Tudeh crooks, Kianoori ,Amoooei, Tabari, Etemadezadeh..... All they confess and testified against each others..... Bunch of old farts.... May God forgive them all?
No dear I have not been to Evin, too young at the time for evin but have a taste and experience of it here... where I reside.

Very interesting !!!!!, I did not know all this, if it is true, ofcourse.....
I suggest you , not to bank so much on Confessions done by this system ??
Nor,should you believe,any one working with Tudeh ,is not innocent...
they also got Hossain Fekri,for cooperation with Tudeh.......
Compare to people working in this regim, tudeh followers, are ***** cats.

[Ali Chicago]

I just came back from another business tripand see that the thread I opened is closed. I am sorry to say the least. I opened that thread not to use it as a propaganda pro or against anyone. Ajoorloo is being supported to run as teh next head of IFF. I am not clear about what Behzad Khan says as my "accusation without a shred of evidance".

As for Hajj Mojtab Halwaii I have proof. Many friends of mine and to some degree I myself have felt the cosequences of behabvior this "Shekanjeh Chee". If he wants I can provide proof. As for the fact that Ajoorloo is the same Hajj Mojtaba Halwaii I have proof too. As for he is being supported to become next head of IFF I cant' give you proof in the form of paper signed by Ahmadi Nezhad and his croonies. But there are sufficient circumstancial eveidences to support my claim.

Part of this is to prevent murderers like him to represent IFF as an NGO. If this isnt' football related, either I am missing something or someone please tell me how Ajoorloo being the next head of IFF isn't football related?

[Ali Chicago]

Actually, I was the one that closed the thread with all due respect to Ali khan. As behazd jan mentioned here, it was a huge accusation without evidence. And not only that, It was more political than football related. I hope ali khan understand it. I'm waiting for more input about this. Nothing is finalized. I can re-open it if needed.
Chakerim
Ali

I was away for couple of days and just got back, I am not sure what kind of proof you need for my claims. What do you need, I will try to provide. This is not about supporting or going againt Hezbe Tudeh or any organization. Donouncing Ajoorloo doesn't mean supporting Hezbe Tudeh. Denouncing Ajoorloo is donouncing Torture and dictatorship.

[Ali Chicago]

And back to the topic of discussion:
I have heard similar things about Ajoorloo, and even though just because it is out there, it doesn't make it true, as they say; ta nabashad chizaki, mardom nagooyand chizha"...I mean since this ahmaghinejad guy has taken over, almost all institutions and government organizations have been infected by his kind of people and IFF is no different.
Unfortunately the trend will continue and we will have nothing to say about it and it is the football that get hurt, the people of course.

It is not rumors beleive me.

[Ali Chicago]

Aziz, the + sign next to "Football" doesn't mean "other stuff".. It relates to the core members who are selected to this forum..

I am surprised that you are asking me if I want Proof.. wouldn't you?

Baba, If I came here and opened up a thread and said, QN used to be a bacheh Baz or an Executioner , wouldn't you or Ali chicago ask for proof?
is that thread worth leaving open here?

I am sure I could make a thread like that in the general forum and get away with it, but here if you make a claim (specially an accusation that big) the least that you are expected to do is to provide proof.

and if it is a political thread then it shouldn't be here to begin with..

+ means we expect more.. (at least as far as I have understood it!)

what part of accusation you want me to substantiate?

[Ali Chicago]

I think as important as the accusation is, if infact Ajorloo is a candidate
to head IFF. If he is a candidate, how do you propose (where do you
propose) the evidence against him be presented, if the thread is closed?

The topic is completely football relaed, and + forum would be a perfect
place to discuss it, where people would hopefully give evidence in a
logical fashion.

My biggest fear is if the guy gets selected to head IFF, and people would
say shut up and keep quiet because we dont want to undermine IFF, and
prevent discussion about his past which is very relevant.

That is all the purpose of the thread I opened for. I have nothing persoanl against Ajoorloo or trying to promote Afzali or Tudeh Party here. A murderer and someone who exectued prisoners won't be suitable to run a NGO (Non Govermental Organization).