Dear Mod............

[Ali Chicago]

I was searching the net and couldn't find this pictures that St Mark posted. I even clicked on the links and it goes to a site that I didnt' see the pcitures that St. Mark posted. So, I request St. Mark to give me the link for these pictures. My source was three picture of this guy (Ajoorloo) in an Italian paper. These pictures printed in a leftist party paper there; and that is how I heard about this (through a freind who lives in Italy). But since I can't read Italian, I asked him to send me the pictures and translation of the text. He still hasn't done that.

But as the saying goes, "Adoo shavad Sababe khyar Aghar Khooda Khahad". It seems St. Mark found these pictures and posted here. As the farsi text below the picture explains these are the picture of the guy. Again, clicking on the link goes to a page that doesn't have this pciture or text, so I don't know how St. Mark found this.

I don't undrestand why St. Mark bring up the whole Tudeh Party into this. This thread is about if Ajoorloo was a torturer in Ewin or not. Did he participate in Execuation of political prisoners.
This thread isn't about Tudeh Pary and being pro or against it. So please stop this bringing them to the forum. The question of this thread is simple, is Halwai was a torturer in Ewin yes or no? Did he participate in exectuation of political prisoners?

I always considered St. Mark as a valuable member, but your recent posts are totally disappointing to say the least. This thread isnt' about Tudeh Party and weather they are Khaen or whatever. It is a thread about Mojatab Halwai is Sardar Ajoroloo or not? So please stop bringing up Tudeh party to accusation against them to change the topic.

I ask a simple question from you "St. Mark". Can you guarentee that Halwaii (i.e.Ajorloo) while working only tortured Tudeh Party people or executed them only? Even if you guarantee that (which is impossible unelss you are Halwaii yourself, or worked as in Ewin yourself), torturing or executing any Iranian (for that matter any human being) regardless of their ideology or political affiliation is something to be Proud of?

[Guru]

I was searching the net and couldn't find this pictures that St Mark posted. I even clicked on the links and it goes to a site that I didnt' see the pcitures that St. Mark posted. So, I request St. Mark to give me the link for these pictures.

I don't think St Mark copied the pictures from rahetude web site. In fact it's not a copy and paste from a website. The whole text and pictures are a snapshot of the website which is saved as an image on the ImageShack website. Here is the url: http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6...hetudehtd5.jpg

I tried to search for the image on ImageShack, but I couldn't find it. The image filename suggests that either the image belongs to a private archive on ImageShack, or copied from an archive to a private account on ImageShack. We all know that security services keep such archives, and only people who are cleared by the security services have access to these archives.

[St_Mark]

I don't think St Mark copied the pictures from rahetude web site. In fact it's not a copy and paste from a website. The whole text and pictures are a snapshot of the website which is saved as an image on the ImageShack website. Here is the url: http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6...hetudehtd1.jpg

I tried to search for the image on ImageShack, but I couldn't find it. The image filename suggests that either the image belongs to a private archive on ImageShack, or copied from an archive to a private account on ImageShack. We all know that security services keep such archives, and only people who are cleared by the security services have access to these archives.

Now you accuse me !!?


First you accused Ajorloo with specific crime then you try to look for evidence , then asking me to proof a negative of saying he is innocent. I have made no comment as to he is innocent or guilty, all I have said is Tudeh party leaders were convicted criminals and tudeh party has a historical records for lies , deception and character assassinations.

If you accused someone burden is on you to proof . Putting two pictures of someone then jumping to different conclusion with specific crime is fabrication and character assassination.
Rather than changing subject show your proof then I will be first one to condemn him short of that you are same as rest of them.
Once again you have said you have proof he is that particular torturer guy and that fabricated story of Pasdar, 7 shots.
Show proof or be man enough to apologize till u come up with proof.

Once again you will not find any disrespectful comments from me toward you before you came up with these daryvaries.


Frankly I have lost respect and interest to continue this exchange.

I told you if you peruse may get ugly.
I have nothing to learn from type of you and no interest to teach you something.
Good luck

Here is how to find it.

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=4&gl=us
It is from Rahetudeh , yoiu can search for it in their Cached
راه توده

... از زندان نیز ربودن و شکنجه کردن و به قتل ... در کارنامه مدیریتی سردار آجرلو قهرمانی ...
www.rahetudeh.com/ - 63k - Cached -


Reasons including demand for proof , were dumped in back ground. Nothing will be erased in internet

[Ali Chicago]

Now you accuse me !!?


First you accused Ajorloo with specific crime then you try to look for evidence , then asking me to proof a negative of saying he is innocent. I have made no comment as to he is innocent or guilty, all I have said is Tudeh party leaders were convicted criminals and tudeh party has a historical records for lies , deception and character assassinations.

If you accused someone burden is on you to proof . Putting two pictures of someone then jumping to different conclusion with specific crime is fabrication and character assassination.
Rather than changing subject show your proof then I will be first one to condemn him short of that you are same as rest of them.
Once again you have said you have proof he is that particular torturer guy and that fabricated story of Pasdar, 7 shots.
Show proof or be man enough to apologize till u come up with proof.

Once again you will not find any disrespectful comments from me toward you before you came up with these daryvaries.


Frankly I have lost respect and interest to continue this exchange.

I told you if you peruse may get ugly.
I have nothing to learn from type of you and no interest to teach you something.
Good luck

Here is how to find it.

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=4&gl=us
It is from Rahetudeh , yoiu can search for it in their Cached
راه توده

... از زندان نیز ربودن و شکنجه کردن و به قتل ... در کارنامه مدیریتی سردار آجرلو قهرمانی ...
www.rahetudeh.com/ - 63k - Cached -


Reasons including demand for proof , were dumped in back ground. Nothing will be erased in internet

I went to their site and looked in their archieve as well and couldnt' find this specific picture. But then again there is a 140 archieves of this year only, so I couldn't search all of their site.
Like I said, I have asked my friend in Italy to translate the thing and send it to me plus the pictures. But what you yourself posted (and it seems you yourself boxed the guys' face or was it by them?). Isn't this a proof? No one is here to defend or attack Tudeh learders, it is about the fact the Ajoorloo former halwaii did participate in the torture. I sent an email to the Rahetudeh site and asked them about this. I am waiting for their response as well.

I am really confused by your statements. This pictures that you posted don't they agree with my initial post? If you want to attack Tudeh Party leaders go ahead and do it. No one is here to defend them, but this thread is about Ajorloo being an interogator in Ewin and paticipating in execution.

My question to you is, based on the pictures that you yourself posted, it seems he was in Ewin. So do you condone some one who was an interogator in Ewin being the future head of IFF? Please answer this question.

[Essi]

no I didn't say that would be good enough.. but it would be a start.
yes the other thread was closed but two more are open about the same subject and we have had 45 Posts in this one about the same exact topic of your initial thread.. meaning, You don't need to have that thread open for you to put up your pictures.. you can use one of the two open threads to put up whatever Evidence you have, for everyone to see..
I think whatever you wanted to say in the other thread has already been said in this thread, which makes closing the other thread kind of pointless..

Baba ghorbone on dahanet behzad jan. Already 45 posts and please count hom many of them is about EVIN, TORTURE, MONAFEGHI, POLITIC, ETC... Baba Ali khan nokaretam, don't you think I would would hate him (Ajorloo) more than I did before if I find out that he was a shekanjegar in Evin? My own father spended 8 months in that shit hole and when he came out, he was totally broken everywhere.. so stop this disscussion and don't make me close the remaining two as well. I tell you for the last time, if you have some kind of evidence like photos or stuff like that, it's a good start.

Ali

[Guru]

Now you accuse me !!?

I can’t stop you from saying stupid things but from now on don’t include me in your wicket thoughts stop accusing me falsely .. As I said you made this exchange personal, frankly because of your age I hate to be the one trash your argument . It seems you simply unable to have a logical dialog .
First you accused Ajorloo with specific crime then you try to look for evidence , then asking me to proof a negative of saying he is innocent. I have made no comment as to he is innocent or guilty, all I have said is Tudeh party leaders were convicted criminals and tudeh party has a historical records for lies , deception and character assassinations.

If you accused someone burden is on you to proof . Putting two pictures of someone then jumping to different conclusion with specific crime is fabrication and character assassination.
Rather than changing subject show your proof then I will be first one to condemn him short of that you are same as rest of them.
Once again you have said you have proof he is that particular torturer guy and that fabricated story of Pasdar, 7 shots.
Show proof or be man enough to apologize till u come up with proof.

Once again you will not find any disrespectful comments from me toward you before you came up with these daryvaries.

Because you are not smart to find that picture in rahe tudeh don’t accuses me of misrepresent.
Frankly I have lost respect and interest to continue this exchange.

I told you if you peruse may get ugly.
I have nothing to learn from type of you and no interest to teach you something.
Good luck

Here is how to find it.

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=4&gl=us
It is from Rahetudeh , yoiu can search for it in their Cached
راه توده

... از زندان نیز ربودن و شکنجه کردن و به قتل ... در کارنامه مدیریتی سردار آجرلو قهرمانی ...
www.rahetudeh.com/ - 63k - Cached -

As I said it’s not something new , they had it for a while because of various
Reasons including demand for proof , were dumped in back ground. Nothing will be erased in internet

First of all, I didn't accuse Ajoorloo of anything before I saw the proof.

Second, you posted a link to a rahetude webpage cached by Google as your source for the picture of the same page you posted before. Unlike what you may think, people are not stupid. People know that an HTML webpage doesn't just transform into a jpeg snapshot. It would be much easier to copy the text and pictures from that webpage into your post than making a snapshot and saving it with a name such as "rahetudehtd5.jpg". It's interesting to know where did you get that jpeg snapshot that was hosted on ImageShack.

You seem to have access to some "inside" information that not many people could have, and the language you use with regard to political activists with any political inclination, except of course the ruling group, is descriptive of the type of person you are.

[zzgloo]

Baba ghorbone on dahanet behzad jan. Already 45 posts and please count hom many of them is about EVIN, TORTURE, MONAFEGHI, POLITIC, ETC... Baba Ali khan nokaretam, don't you think I would would hate him (Ajorloo) more than I did before if I find out that he was a shekanjegar in Evin? My own father spended 8 months in that shit hole and when he came out, he was totally broken everywhere.. so stop this disscussion and don't make me close the remaining two as well. I tell you for the last time, if you have some kind of evidence like photos or stuff like that, it's a good start.
Ali

Essi jaan,.........God Bless you......Please,read here what I have to say.....
I repect you, and I liked you even more,to hear your father also had spent time in Evin.........this shows,you have grown up in an intelectual family.
But, with all due respect.............all these here, is your doing !!!
Don't you think, you acted too fast,to close ali's thread ?..and indirectly poured gasolin in the fire ?......
Don't you think, some of these arguments, although members do not come right out and say it, is because,they were kind of insulted ?....After all,they kind of like to think, being selected to be in F +,carries some sort of stature.
I do not recall, any thread to be closed so fast,even in other forums.
Although, apparantly, by you not closeing these other two threads,which are pretty much poletical, one gathers,you do not think in absolute,and you leted this to continue..............Which,here is the part,that you compensated,and I from bottom of my heart appreciate it.

Now, there is two way to look at this.

1- WOW, as soon as, Mods free members to say what they have to say, they make a circus out of forum.

2- WOW, what a lively,informative,football related,intelectual,and investegative ! thread...........which,after all, is a job of a good Media.

I hope, you believe in the secound one !

[Essi]

This is the my last reply in this thread.

As I said, ZZ jan, I did not closed the thread forever. I said, It could be re-open after som discussion with other admins and most important Kamran jan. Now he had his input as well so please let it go. Keshesh nade dige. And dont worry, if you guys wish, I can close the other two as well before kamran do it himself.

Ey dade bidad

End of discussion.

[Ali Chicago]

I received three pictures from my freind in Italy about this guy, I tried to insert them in my post, but it didn't work. Can one of the mods help me and show me how to do this.
Pictures are in my hard drive and when I try to insert them in my post, it asks for httP:// .... path. I deleted the http:// part and put the path to the pictures on my hard drive. But it doesn't work. Can someone help me (tell me the steps) to post these?

[Ali Chicago]

Dear : These allegations are not new , its product of defamed traitorous mind of Tudeh party members. What else they can say? How else they had to justify criminal activities of their party in behave of Iranian enemies.
Unable to face reality they resort to what they do the best fabrication, lies, character assassination
Tudeh party leaders were convicted criminals . Their ideologue and leaders confess, wrote books about their criminal traitorous history of betray.
Forget criminal Kianourol ... read work of their ideologue Tabari, even M B Azin. These two were released to safe half way houses where they wrote their books, Azin even went to War front , cried so many times with basijee fighters…
No one care for this party in Iran, their leadership were scum’s of the earth.

راه توده

Baba ghorbone on dahanet behzad jan. Already 45 posts and please count hom many of them is about EVIN, TORTURE, MONAFEGHI, POLITIC, ETC... Baba Ali khan nokaretam, don't you think I would would hate him (Ajorloo) more than I did before if I find out that he was a shekanjegar in Evin? My own father spended 8 months in that shit hole and when he came out, he was totally broken everywhere.. so stop this disscussion and don't make me close the remaining two as well. I tell you for the last time, if you have some kind of evidence like photos or stuff like that, it's a good start.
Ali

Ali Jaan, St. Mark posted this yesterday. Did you see it. St. Mark or maybe the site that he got this from put the square around the guy's face. The guy who is sitting in the picture, is Kianoorie which was the leader of Tudeh Party in Iran. So if this guy is seen next to him he must be a big fish in Savama or Ewin. Look at the resembelnce. OF course the guy is older now, but it is reasonable to think they are the same.
Now, there is a bit of confusion here, because the site that St. Mark posted this from isn't Tudeh Party's website and when I went there (rahetudeh.com), I couldn't find the same picutre that he posted.

I sent an email to the administrator of rahetudeh web site and asked for help, I haven't received an answer yet. As soon as I get more information, I clarify more.

[Guru]

I received three pictures from my freind in Italy about this guy, I tried to insert them in my post, but it didn't work. Can one of the mods help me and show me how to do this.
Pictures are in my hard drive and when I try to insert them in my post, it asks for httP:// .... path. I deleted the http:// part and put the path to the pictures on my hard drive. But it doesn't work. Can someone help me (tell me the steps) to post these?

Go to http://www.tinypic.com/
For each picture, upload your picture from your hard drive to that website. It gives you a url. Copy the url and then insert the picture by pasting the url (where you pasted the path before). Repeat the steps for other pictures.

[Ali Chicago]

Go to http://www.tinypic.com/
For each picture, upload your picture from your hard drive to that website. It gives you a url. Copy the url and then insert the picture by pasting the url (where you pasted the path before). Repeat the steps for other pictures.

Thanks agha guru.

[Ali Chicago]

I got three pictures my friend sent me from Italy and with the help of Guru, I was able to past it here. These pictures were posted in a leftist paper in Italy and occasion was the anniversary of exectuation of political prisoners in 1988 in Iran (after the Iran -Iraq Ceasefire) " '***'hatar Dasteh Jameeye dar tabestane 1367".


Please note, I did this to show who is being pushed to take over IFF by a certain faction within the government and has nothign to do with political propaganda for or against anyone. I have been a member since 2005 and never did this before. Records are there for anyone to see. Please focus on the guy who there is a box around his face.



The first and third pictures shows Ajoorloo in a session in Tehran city Councuil (Shahrdarye va Shooraye Shahre Tehran).



This on was taken during the Galindoopols (United Nation Human right commisioner trip to Iran back in mid 80s and show Halwayee (i.e Ajoorloo)). The person in the center is the former leader of Tudeh Pary (kianoorie). This picuter was taken before Galindoopol's visit with Kianoorie. Kianoorie was a big fish for IRI to arrest. The mere peresence of Halwayee (i.e. Ajerlou) in this picture shows he was a big fish in Savama, Ewin or Dadsetani. If he was a junior Pasdar or low level employee he wasn't present there.



Third picture of Halwayee (i.e. Ajerlou) in Tehran city council (Shahrdarye va Shooraye Shahre Tehran). If you pay attention you the current head of Perspolice club in the same meeting as well. I think his name is Kashani. I am not suggesting Kashani is Ajoorloo's cohort or anything, or he was a torturer or anything. I pointed this out to see how much of our sport is being run or influenced by the governemt. Both former Paas and PP club heads are part of the Tehran city council.



Finally, I received an email from the administrator of rahetudeh web site in response to my inquiry about Ajerlou and he told me they are collecting information about Halwaii (i.e Ajrelou) as well, since he was one the most notorious tortuere "Shekanjehghar" in Ewin. He will shorty send me the link to an radio interview the according to him ( a pasdar from Ghom called to Radio Iran in Los Angeles (which was run by Khoda Beeyamorz Ghaem Maghami) and talked about Ajerlou's/Halwayee role). I post the link to the interview as soon as I get it from them.

[Guru]

The pictures look awfully similar, considering there was a 20-year gap between them. In my book they are the same person.

[Dubxl152]

Thanks for your detective work Ali Jan keep it up. The pictures look very very similar, even for a 20 year gap the pictures appear to be of the same individual. The fact that ex-football heads are suddenly apart of the Tehran City Council is fishy in itself, i mean any well informed/intelligent person who understands how oppressive regimes work has know all along that the government has a direct hand in the welfare and operations of IPL clubs, but this is the closest thing to a smoking gun i have seen which may prove this long standing hypothesis correct. I hope to hear this interview you speak of as well. Ali jan do you have any new information on whether he is working toward obtaining the IFF head position?