Denizli news

[Doctor DOOM]

both teams showed great progress in terms of quality of football.
both teams were soundly recognized as highly improved compared to their previous seasons.
both teams showed great attacking prowess and style which suits the natural Iranian style of football.


now, some ppl want to bring trophies, and I just have to ask:

where was pp BEFORE denizli ?
did they win the IPL the previous season?
or the one before that?
or one before that? or ... ?

and while we are at it: what kind of material did he have to work with at PP ?
any strikers at all? any reliable defenders ? estili's underminings ? ... etc. all these problems and he still brought them to third rank !

One would think pp was raking in trophy after trophy, season after season and only denizli ruined it all !
hell, they barely got to fifth rank ( their highest in 4 seasons ) with vingo ! remember the NINTH rank ?


I absolutely agree leaving paas in the last week was a very bad move. I dont know what brought it on though . but maybe he learned from that and despite having 10 times more problems at pp than paas, he stayed on and faced the problems.


you guys talk about the money.
yes. it was too much for Iranian club standards.
but we all know MONEY ( given to a coach ) only will not solve our problems. he'd need material and players and facilities too.
what material did you mean?
the absconding elong ?
the injury-prone bagheri?
the misplaced noori ( due to shortage of defenders ) ?
the absence of even a single decent striker ?
we know the team is in trouble when they put left wingers as strikers for the team coz the strikers hired dont bother to train !

so it's not denizli's fault that pp management spent that much money on hiring the coach.
it is the management and all the peripheral ppl ( YOU fans included ) at fault for not creating the environment to facilitate a more rapid progress. fans siding with the destructive and rebellious estili as soon as he was fired.

[zzgloo]

as far as "class" or "opportunistic tendencies" and such things go, I couldnt care less.
just as I didnt hold GN's absolutely class-less and ill mannered behavior and disrespectful language against his coaching abilities, while he was the head coach.
just as branko's gentle words & demure personality didnt get us anywhere.

what I do care about is the man's abilities and capabilities.
there, we cant find much better than denizli with the didley-sh*t money IFF is ready to pay.

And ali jan, it is certainly not a DREAM of mine.
I have weighed the options based on present reality and have picked my choices ( denizli, macala, luka, ... ).
My dream would be someone like Lippi or Wenger or ... to take the job. but wouldnt I be "dreaming" then?
we know IFF wont pay much.
we also know of the tremendous shortages and lacks in our infrastructure and foundations of football in Iran.
we know many coach will NOT put up with such lacks.
we also know Iran is a sort of parriah state and not many want to have much to do with it.
we are aware of the difficulties any foreigner faces in dealing with our ppl and culture.

based on such factors, who better we can get?
Cappelo ?
Fergussen?
lippi?

GOOD points DD Jaan..............
indeed, the only logical choice must be what is practical,considering what is realisticaly possible in Iran of mullahs,and mafias, etc.
I my self, think, considering these givens, only Denozeli and Ghotbi are possible choices................
denizeli, not only has International experince, but also, has iranian league experince......and his advantage over ghotbi,is the fact that he is from turkey...and although,Ironic, he understands iran better than Ghotbi..

[Doctor DOOM]

Thanks Bahram jan.
as I always say ; denouncing someone is easy. coming up w a VIABLE & REALISTIC option, however, is difficult.

All the friends who either denounce or are unhappy or ... about denizli becoming TM coach will please name their OWN choices ?

[Ali Chicago]

Thanks Bahram jan.
as I always say ; denouncing someone is easy. coming up w a VIABLE & REALISTIC option, however, is difficult.

All the friends who either denounce or are unhappy or ... about denizli becoming TM coach will please name their OWN choices ?

Well to be honest, I am one of those who won't have Denizli as my first choice for the TM based on his peroformance in Paas and PP and even more importantly based on his personality.

Times and times I have told that a coach won't make a difference in the bigger picture, however whatever impact the coach can have, it won't be materialized with Denizli or at least fully materialized.

Any guy who can come and take over after GN must be a rebel who shake things around. For doing that, he needs a strong Personality, someone like Bonacic or have a strong background where people back off against him. Furthermore, he has to have this really ambitious attitude to want to do something really really big to make a name for himself and in the process give us success. Denizili while being a knowledgable coach has none of these.

Having said that, I wish him all the success and you never will see nagging and being negative against him (remember our buddy Ala). Nothing like that.

I really beleive coache's personality is the main ingrediant. While GN wasn't very educated or had the best PR, I think he had this super ambitious attitude but in AFC he didn't trust his guts and played it safe. I dont' see Denizli some oen like that.

He will come to Iran, get his money and in the process gets into bed with however he has to to keep his job. Thing won't change fundementally.

I even dont' go and talk about his game reading and learning from his own mistakes. Loosing the lead numerous times while his team was ahead in both Paas and PP.

Anyway, i don't think he will become the coach to be honest. But if he will, best of luck to him and to our TM.

[zzgloo]

Ali jaan......................
Did you know ?

1-Denizeli, is from turkey ? ,and that means, he is as conning as any Iranian..........( Turkish culture is as complex and as misleading ,as iranian's,if not more )

2-Denizeli, single handedly, nutralized parvin's interferences, as well as setting aside stili,so much so, stili hates him,and always say bad things about Denizeli,behind him, ...he does that even after he is gone...which means,how Denizeli can take care of internal power strugle,as well as being the BOSS.

3- Denizeli,is also,said to have said,what he thinks was wrong with previouse two coaches of TM, as he has stated,if he becomes the coach, he will emphasise, attcking football.

[Ali Chicago]

Ali jaan......................
Did you know ?
1-Denizeli, is from turkey ? ,and that means, he is as conning as any Iranian..........( Turkish culture is as complex and as misleading ,as iranian's,if not more )
2-Denizeli, single handedly, nutralized parvin's interferences, as well as setting aside stili,so much so, stili hates him,and always say bad things about Denizeli,behind him, ...he does that even after he is gone...which means,how Denizeli can take care of internal power strugle,as well as being the BOSS.
3- Denizeli,is also,said to have said,what he thinks was wrong with previouse two coaches of TM, as he has stated,if he becomes the coach, he will emphasise, attcking football.

LOL at your first comment. So are we trying to hire the most cunning man!!!!. I hope I am wrong about him.

[perspolees]

both teams showed great progress in terms of quality of football.
both teams were soundly recognized as highly improved compared to their previous seasons.
both teams showed great attacking prowess and style which suits the natural Iranian style of football.


now, some ppl want to bring trophies, and I just have to ask:

where was pp BEFORE denizli ?
did they win the IPL the previous season?
or the one before that?
or one before that? or ... ?

and while we are at it: what kind of material did he have to work with at PP ?
any strikers at all? any reliable defenders ? estili's underminings ? ... etc. all these problems and he still brought them to third rank !

One would think pp was raking in trophy after trophy, season after season and only denizli ruined it all !
hell, they barely got to fifth rank ( their highest in 4 seasons ) with vingo ! remember the NINTH rank ?


I absolutely agree leaving paas in the last week was a very bad move. I dont know what brought it on though . but maybe he learned from that and despite having 10 times more problems at pp than paas, he stayed on and faced the problems.


you guys talk about the money.
yes. it was too much for Iranian club standards.
but we all know MONEY ( given to a coach ) only will not solve our problems. he'd need material and players and facilities too.
what material did you mean?
the absconding elong ?
the injury-prone bagheri?
the misplaced noori ( due to shortage of defenders ) ?
the absence of even a single decent striker ?
we know the team is in trouble when they put left wingers as strikers for the team coz the strikers hired dont bother to train !

so it's not denizli's fault that pp management spent that much money on hiring the coach.
it is the management and all the peripheral ppl ( YOU fans included ) at fault for not creating the environment to facilitate a more rapid progress. fans siding with the destructive and rebellious estili as soon as he was fired.

all excuses again when you are into the coach denizli
mark my words
I wish he becomes the next head coach for you to see
HE IS PASSE


I as a fan never sided for or against estili, denizli was and is a good coach, but he is passe and will not do jack for tm
he is a jobless coach that second tier teams in Turkey offer him positions, he digs ( as any turk has always done so) Irans money, he thinks by spreading smiles will do us good, but he is passe...

for the record he had a decent squad with persepolis, he had a better one with Paas, he could not deliver and failed paas with the trotious disasterous ending in asian competitions...and finished under esteghlal when he could have taken it it, he left for Istanbul to scratch his nuts...
he has teh foxy misleading personality
he WAS once a good coach
now he is passe with offers from Rizespor..


in the end tho
in khar mire yeki dige miyad
it really does not make any diff if denizli, ghotbi or gn vs lippi and hiddink take over this tm...

[Doctor DOOM]

hmmm.
so shall I call Cappelo and finally "permit" him to come to Iran and realize his dream, which is taking over our TM?
He's been bugging me all month, begging to come to Iran and unite with his beloved TM.

or maybe I'll ring up Wenger.
at least he put his application for heading TM 3 days before Cappelo. and fair is fair.
TM is first come, first served.
I hear he hired a hitman to bump off Lippi to prevent Lippi from writing his name in the LOOONNG list of international coaches who are screaming to take over TM.
I'm particularly concerned about Fergussen , who was stabbed in the back by someone who, according to the scotland yard, looked like Eriksson! But they cant confirm the witnesses' claims .... yet.
bavaretoon nemisheh?
befarma:
http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns
I'm telling you, all these applicants are killing each other for TM !! although the british police is playing down his serious injury. and due to political reasons, are keeping Eriksson's name out of it.


quick.
someone send a bus ( preferably a double decker ) to Mehrabad.
there arent enough taxis there !
there are applicant POURING in by the droves!
some, I hear, are ready to PAY US so we could hire them for TM job.
lets see which top international coach will pay the most money to take TM under their wing.
shall we?





............ or maybe we shd try someone "NOT PASSE".
Like parvin?
he's quite up to date, I hear.
he certainly cannot be "passe". can he ?
becoz I didnt see persi jan mention any of HIS choices for the TM.

[zzgloo]

http://www.Iranproleague.net/news/Mo....cfm?News=3573


Denizeli, seems to have recieved a seriouse offer...............
How ever, ....

http://www.footballiran.ir/Negaresh_...Story/?ld=9499

Some believe,ghotbi is better.

[perspolees]

hmmm.
so shall I call Cappelo and finally "permit" him to come to Iran and realize his dream, which is taking over our TM?
He's been bugging me all month, begging to come to Iran and unite with his beloved TM.

or maybe I'll ring up Wenger.
at least he put his application for heading TM 3 days before Cappelo. and fair is fair.
TM is first come, first served.
I hear he hired a hitman to bump off Lippi to prevent Lippi from writing his name in the LOOONNG list of international coaches who are screaming to take over TM.
I'm particularly concerned about Fergussen , who was stabbed in the back by someone who, according to the scotland yard, looked like Eriksson! But they cant confirm the witnesses' claims .... yet.
bavaretoon nemisheh?
befarma:
http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns
I'm telling you, all these applicants are killing each other for TM !! although the british police is playing down his serious injury. and due to political reasons, are keeping Eriksson's name out of it.


quick.
someone send a bus ( preferably a double decker ) to Mehrabad.
there arent enough taxis there !
there are applicant POURING in by the droves!
some, I hear, are ready to PAY US so we could hire them for TM job.
lets see which top international coach will pay the most money to take TM under their wing.
shall we?





............ or maybe we shd try someone "NOT PASSE".
Like parvin?
he's quite up to date, I hear.
he certainly cannot be "passe". can he ?
becoz I didnt see persi jan mention any of HIS choices for the TM.

lippi, wenger, kapello, denizli, ghotbi, gn, branko are just equal for this football that we have..thats the point!
in khar mire yeki dige miyad
u and I will still agree on how horrible branko, and gn were! cant you see that is neither of them, on this ground
THE GREATES OF ALL COACHES IS DESTINED TO FAIL!

hala shoma denizli ro mikhay, inshalla ke miyado bazam meebeeni ke hichi nemeeshe!!

[purple_haze]

I like Denizli, but at the same time there are some stuff that continue like a red thread throughout the performances of both teams he has coached in Iran so far, which is alarming.
I'll try to summarize the pros and cons of teams under him from my point of view.

Pros:

- Attacking, flowing football. Many goal scoring opportunities created.
- Good fast paced passing and team work, few touches on the ball emphasised.

Cons:

- Poor defense and defensive flexibility and not just the defence line, but team defense as a whole, from pressurizing to alignment of different lines.
- Almost constant weak second half performances, even in the games won by the team.
- Somewhat poor away games record.

Actually his pros and cons, remind me of the old Lazio coach Zdenek Zeman during the 90's. His teams also played attacking, entertaining football, scoring alot, yet they couldn't pose as a real contender due to poor away record and the fact that they conceded too many goals too.

[Doctor DOOM]

I dont want to keep repeating myself and certainly dont want to sound over-eager to get denizli.
but pruple jan, those defensive woes were PART not his fault.
pp simply didnt have reliable defenders. the line suffered from bagheri's repeated injuries, rezaei's rebellions and underminings ( estili's influence ), elong's absences and waywardness ( most probably due to spartak's offer ), ...
so much that Noori was forced to play as defender and he faltered more often than not. many goals were due to his inexperience & incapability as a defender peykan game, rah-ahan game .... etc.) !!!

but at TM he'd have aghili, nosrati, hosseini, shakoori, ..... who are by far superior to what pp had last season. dont u agree?

same thing can be said in other lines.
basically, at TM, he'll have the creme de la creme of Iran to pick. and that reduces the probability of weak lines.

this is how I look at it: with a team devoid of a decent goal scorer, and when forced to play wingers and midfielders as strikers ( badamaki, niki, madanchi as strikers !!! ) , he had the highest number of goals and best attacking side of the league!
with better options in players he'd have far better output.


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persi jan, I acknowledge our shortages and lacks too.
I do know they have a detrimental effect on our football.
but as we've had this discussion for YEARS now ( ), I always say becoz we fall short in one category, we shd NOT drop every other category and give up.

we have bad infrstrctre. true. that's just one category or facet of our football.
but at least we can try to get the coaching part of our football right, to lessen the negative factors in our football.

and dont worry mate.
the moment denizli starts to bungle things, I WILL criticize him.
simply becoz what matters is not the person ( least of all a non-Iranian fellow ), but the TM.

[purple_haze]

I dont want to keep repeating myself and certainly dont want to sound over-eager to get denizli.
but pruple jan, those defensive woes were PART not his fault.
pp simply didnt have reliable defenders. the line suffered from bagheri's repeated injuries, rezaei's rebellions and underminings ( estili's influence ), elong's absences and waywardness ( most probably due to spartak's offer ), ...
so much that Noori was forced to play as defender and he faltered more often than not. many goals were due to his inexperience & incapability as a defender peykan game, rah-ahan game .... etc.) !!!

but at TM he'd have aghili, nosrati, hosseini, shakoori, ..... who are by far superior to what pp had last season. dont u agree?

same thing can be said in other lines.
basically, at TM, he'll have the creme de la creme of Iran to pick. and that reduces the probability of weak lines.

this is how I look at it: with a team devoid of a decent goal scorer, and when forced to play wingers and midfielders as strikers ( badamaki, niki, madanchi as strikers !!! ) , he had the highest number of goals and best attacking side of the league!
with better options in players he'd have far better output.

I know about the lack of defenders in pp last year Peyman jan, but I was also talking about his time in PAS, where he actually had good defenders, plus some really good defensive midfielders in form of Nekounam and Kianoosh Rahmati infront of them. But yeah, maybe having the best from the best would be the difference.

[perspolees]

I dont want to keep repeating myself and certainly dont want to sound over-eager to get denizli.
but pruple jan, those defensive woes were PART not his fault.
pp simply didnt have reliable defenders. the line suffered from bagheri's repeated injuries, rezaei's rebellions and underminings ( estili's influence ), elong's absences and waywardness ( most probably due to spartak's offer ), ...
so much that Noori was forced to play as defender and he faltered more often than not. many goals were due to his inexperience & incapability as a defender peykan game, rah-ahan game .... etc.) !!!

but at TM he'd have aghili, nosrati, hosseini, shakoori, ..... who are by far superior to what pp had last season. dont u agree?

same thing can be said in other lines.
basically, at TM, he'll have the creme de la creme of Iran to pick. and that reduces the probability of weak lines.

this is how I look at it: with a team devoid of a decent goal scorer, and when forced to play wingers and midfielders as strikers ( badamaki, niki, madanchi as strikers !!! ) , he had the highest number of goals and best attacking side of the league!
with better options in players he'd have far better output.


===============

persi jan, I acknowledge our shortages and lacks too.
I do know they have a detrimental effect on our football.
but as we've had this discussion for YEARS now ( ), I always say becoz we fall short in one category, we shd NOT drop every other category and give up.

we have bad infrstrctre. true. that's just one category or facet of our football.
but at least we can try to get the coaching part of our football right, to lessen the negative factors in our football.

and dont worry mate.
the moment denizli starts to bungle things, I WILL criticize him.
simply becoz what matters is not the person ( least of all a non-Iranian fellow ), but the TM.

and FOR YEARS has there been a statistically different and great tm!?
no despite this and that coach!!
denizli will look as ugly as gn when he starts so will lippi, mark my words! I ahve said that for years now and voila, nothing has really changed its you and me criticizing our tm rite and left...
so until we fix the bottom hole we are a leaking team!

[Doctor DOOM]

ugly as he may look, I doubt it if IFF doesnt hire a foreign coach and supposedly saves those millions of toomans, they would put it in some area where we NEED it !
lets say instead of paying the 1 mill to denizli, they hire X or Y vatani coach. and since you say it doesnt matter, we'll just pick someone like misaghiyan, to whom they'll pay a fraction of that money.
now, do you think they will turn around and inject what they "saved" into infrastructure or "the bottom hole" ?
do you?
really?
well, they didnt do it when they hired cheap vatani coaches like shahrokhi, MK, GN, .... etc.
what makes you think they will start NOW ?

the fact is that they will NOT use that money to fix the bottom hole.
so now we have crappy foundation as before, and a TM coach who is useless as well !

and btw, if you notice, TM's games are played in a higher level than 10 years back.
ppl like Ivic, Ciro, Branko ( his first 2 years ), ... have had an impact on the progress and elevation of standards at TM.
but, I must add it hasnt been all coaches. coz with more exposure of our players and migration of our stars to europe the elevation in quality was the pleasant result.

bottomline is TM's quality and standards are much higher than what it was 10 years back. so somewhere, somehow, some of the actions have borne fruit, if not completely.