Can Ghotbi be a second Mohajerani of Iran?

[Adesor Vafaseya]

If you think about it, both seem to have some similiarities.

Both are well educated. Wise thinking

Mohajerani had gained all his coaching expereinces for some years outside Iran, when he returend, all his wills turned into success. He was accepted and respected by players and had just an excellnt resume with TM.
Iran the only team not lossing any single game in Asia from 1976-1978, un-beaten for two yeras. The style of our football changed from an old fashioned English "Kick and Rush" to at that time a more modern level.

Now Ghotbi, has the same pattern, as it seems. Educated, wise thinking,
gained coaching experiences outside Iran working with some great international coaches. Now in Iran, he seems to have all respect of the players and we fairly see in the game style of Perspolis some major improvements in the speed and play combination of their game.

Its too early to compare them, we yet have to wait and see his long term achievments as head-coach.. but certainly some similarities can be observed now already.

Maybe the best what we need is really a Vatani coach, with experiences outside... who understands our football mentality best, yet has the knowledge and experience of international level... the media and ppl seem to respect him for being that!

Hope to see the same success of Heshmat Mohajerani in Ghotbi as well

[kaz]

Two different coaches really. One was more a leader in a psychological sense and the other is much more astute tactically.

[BehzadB]

to be honest, although I have a lot of respect for Mohajerani, I think he was overrated... even when he took Iran's National team to the WC a lot of people knew he is too small for our team.. and He never did anything noteworthy since 1979...

Ghotbi, although not accomplished as a head coach, at least is highly educated and has gained vast experience working with some great international coaches..

But as Kaz said, they are just too different..

[Doctor DOOM]

FAR too early to make claims of any sorts.

We Iranians tend to have a knee jerk reaction to things ! We all must develop more patience.

as we have a saying in Iran: Hanooz jaye seft nashashideh !
Ghotbi has been a coach of a club for the grand total of 4 games only!
wait till the end of season and then he'd be worth discussing. even then, I wouldnt go so far as to give him the TM !

[zzgloo]

as I said,in the other thread, I see him to be the TM head coach,for the next world cup, as well as winning this year's league championship....
how ever, one point worth mentioning,is what happened after the game against paykan...in which, IRIB was showing many tv reporters were after him and asking him questios about the game, but he said nothing, not a single word.......and totaly agnored the media.....as when the same thing happened, with stili, he also refused to answer,and only said, the club management has asked him,not to say anything !!!!, which one may conclude,that, the perspolise manegment, has not liked ,Ghotbi's arrogance, and bragging.....as he has been saying all the time, that he will win the league.......so, it appears that , from now on, either Gotbi, will be very silent ,or he will be fired !!

[police in helicopter]

It's way too early to make any judgements on him as a head coach.

He's got only a couple of games under his belt.

[Adesor Vafaseya]

guys,

as I said in my post, it is too early to make comparisons thats why I made a question mark.
Its not about them being similiar in style, its about the same sort of development they both had.... both gained expereinces outside - in case of GHOTBI at least for now - I agree one has to wait and see the development... as I stated in my original post.

As far as things are going for Ghotbi now, I see the same pattern Mahajerani went.. and it looks good for now. hope it will be the same by the end of the season.

[zzgloo]

It may be too soon, but we can guess ,!,can n't we ??
But, I think Ghotbi is far better than Mohajerani.......
when Mohajerani, came to Iran,the first time, he niether had ghotbi's experince nor his knowledge......Mohajerani started his by, coaching " the team VALI AHD was playing at, which meant, he was personal coach of DARBAR...later he became youth coach....
as ghotbi starting by coaching,Perspolise.which may be highest coaching job in Iran,after TM.
................I Guess, if, he does not give up the perspolise mafia, he will win it all..........the reason ??........the league is too weak !!.....most other forign coaches are succesful, and they realy do not have much creadentials....,and non of them have , the budget, fans, and talent level perspolise has.

[Ali Chicago]

I think, whoever thinks that a coach can change the football is seeing the horse and buggy thing backwarded.

A good IFF organization is needed first who come and select a good coach in place and oversees the work of the coach (without interfering) and faciliate the coach's program with arranging frienlies, etc, etc.

Although, I didn't like Shah's regime, but the Football Federation under Atabai during the shah's time among other federation was better organzied and better ran.
Without undermining the work and effort of Heshmat Khan, those who are old enough to remember, Iranian football on those days was winning the Asian youth championship left and right or was second. There was Jaame Valiahd in Khuzestan (Ahwaz I think). Top 3 teams from Iranian youth championship was going there and playing against youth teams from high level class footballing countries like England (Aresenal youth team was there) Brazil, Easter block like Russia, Czechoslavkai, Hungry were coming to the Jaame valiahad. The Team melli in big part except 4-5 players Ali Parvin and Nasser Hejazi, Kazearani, and Eskandareeyan, were the kids who came through the youth programs, Nazari, Roowshan, Ghasempoor, Mohamad Sadeghi, Habib Khabiri,..... . The point is youth system was in place and Heshmat Khan was there in time to rip the benefit and mix it with his own ingenuity. To be honest, I have to mention Raykoof's work here as well. Raykoof in a way had a big part in Iranian football. I met him about 15 year ago in Winnipeg Canada and knowledege of that man and love of that man for Iranian football was amazing. He was asking me about individual players, their well being, what do they do. I think he live in Vancouver right now. The generation that Raykoof developed in Esteghlal were the backbone of the TM as well. Hejazi, Abdoolahi, Karoo Haghverdeeyan, Reza Adelkhani, ...... .

I am not trying to undermine the role of Heshmat Khan. Man is a gem and I respect him whole heartedly, but again and again one coach won't make a difference, the system is the important thing. In the past 5 years two CEO of the Mcdonald company had cancer and died, despite both of them being brilliant men, their loss didnt' imapct the company much, since there was a system in place. We need to put that system in place. As a matter of fact, guys like Kashani in PP seems to be doing just that and use Ghotbi as a piece of that puzzle. IRI actually already used this remedy in Volleyball, Basketball and weightlifting with huge success. I dont' know what is teh reason that the same remedy isn't implemented in football??

Moral of the story, ba yek gol bahar nemeesheh.

[Adesor Vafaseya]

I think you whoever thinks that a coach can change the football is seeing the horse and buggy thing backwarded.
A good IFF organization is needed first who come and select a good coach in place and oversees the work of the coach (without interfering) and faciliate the coach's program with arranging frienlies, etc, etc.
Although, I didn't like Shah's regime, but the Football Federation under Atabai during the shah's time among other federation was better organzied and better ran.
Without undermining the work and effort of Heshmat Khan, those who are old enough to remember, Iranian football on those days was winning the Asian youth championship left and right or was second. There was Jaame Valiahd in Khuzestan (Ahwaz I think). Top 3 teams from Iranian youth championship was going there and playing against youth teams from high level class footballing countries like England (Aresenal youth team was there) Brazil, Easter block like Russia, Czechoslavkai, Hungry were coming to the Jaame valiahad. The Team melli in big part except 4-5 players Ali Parvin and Nasser Hejazi, Kazearani, and Eskandareeyan, were the kids who came through the youth programs, Nazari, Roowshan, Ghasempoor, Mohamad Sadeghi, Habib Khabiri,..... . The point is youth system was in place and Heshmat Khan was there in time to rip the benefit and mix it with his own ingenuity. To be honest, I have to mention Raykoof's work here as well. Raykoof in a way had a big part in Iranian football. I met him about 15 year ago in Winnipeg Canada and knowledege of that man and love of that man for Iranian football was amazing. He was asking me about individual players, their well being, what do they do. I think he live in Vancouver right now. The generation that Raykoof developed in Esteghlal were the backbone of the TM as well. Hejazi, Abdoolahi, Karoo Haghverdeeyan, Reza Adelkhani, ...... .
I am not trying to undermine the role of Heshmat Khan. Man is a gem and I respect him whole heartedly, but again and again one coach won't make a difference, the system is the important thing. In the past 5 years two CEO of the Mcdonald company had cancer and died, despite both of them being brilliant men, their loss didnt' imapct the company much, since there was a system in place. We need to put that system in place. As a matter of fact, guys like Kashani in PP seems to be doing just that and use Ghotbi as a piece of that puzzle. IRI actually already used this remedy in Volleyball, Basketball and weightlifting with huge success. I dont' know what is teh reason that the same remedy isn't implemented in football??
Moral of the story, ba yek gol bahar nemeesheh.

agreed!
But
I never said in my post that a coach can change the whole football of a nation.
what I was referring to was the similiar pattern that looks very identical to both.
Point is I see some major improvements in PP game BUT I know its way too early to judge, the whole season must pass to make a judgement. Every single body of a big football family can make an impact for improvement. Mohajerani did his part when he was given all the facilities... the same seems to be true for Ghotbi at PP at least for now IMO.

[perspolees]

this is again the same nonesene notion of this coach versus that when we lack fundamentals!!
IT REALLY DOES NOT MAKE A DORN DIFFERENCE!
I HAVE BEEN SCREAMING THIS NOW FOR 5 YEARS THAT I HAVE BEEN ON THIS FORUM, AND VOILA! TM HAS NOT HAD ANY SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT OF ANY SORT EXCEPT FOR LUCKY QUALIFICATION TO WC IN 06 SECONDARY TO EASIER GROUPINGS AND ADDITIONAL BERTHS AFTER EXCEPTIONAL PERFORMACES BY THE TWO ASIAN TEAMS...

dige ta key baba!?
in khar mire yeki dige miyad ab az ab takoon nemeekhore vali hame zoom kardan ke che kasi head coach beshe!!?
baba hiddink, wenger, lippi, kapello, gn, ranko, ghobi..hamashoon saro tah ye karbasan baraye in football ba in tm va in ghavaneen va in mamlekat...

its not like we have ferrari that needs schumacher to drive it!!!
mashti hassan baba from dehe payeenbala is just perfect for teh gary that we have for football!! t least he knows how to communicate to the garikesh!!

[perspolees]

btw no offense to adesor for the post...I have enjoyed his contribution to the site.... but just there is no depth in these conversations of this coach versus that for tm..

[Adesor Vafaseya]

Baba Perspolees I know you are not offending...

But i dont understand why ppl NOT READ MY POST CLEARLY

every reply to this thread has nothing to do with the context of the thread.
Did I ever say he should be TM coach?

Baba all I am saying is that he seems to have the same sort of pattern (nothing to do with TM or whole football nation) as Mohajerani IMO

I never said GHOTBI to be next TM coach or GHOTBI can change the Iranian Football. or anything

[Ali Chicago]

Well Dada, I guess putting the two (Ghotbi and Mohajerani) next to each other implies that. Heshmat Khan was our youth coach who later took over the national team. The other thing is this Perspolise team is mainly made by Estili, since Ghotbi came to Iran like few days before the IPL start. I don't see the same level of enthusiasem about Estili??!!!!

[zzgloo]

this is again the same nonesene notion of this coach versus that when we lack fundamentals!!
IT REALLY DOES NOT MAKE A DORN DIFFERENCE!
I HAVE BEEN SCREAMING THIS NOW FOR 5 YEARS THAT I HAVE BEEN ON THIS FORUM, AND VOILA! TM HAS NOT HAD ANY SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT OF ANY SORT EXCEPT FOR LUCKY QUALIFICATION TO WC IN 06 SECONDARY TO EASIER GROUPINGS AND ADDITIONAL BERTHS AFTER EXCEPTIONAL PERFORMACES BY THE TWO ASIAN TEAMS...
dige ta key baba!?
in khar mire yeki dige miyad ab az ab takoon nemeekhore vali hame zoom kardan ke che kasi head coach beshe!!?
baba hiddink, wenger, lippi, kapello, gn, ranko, ghobi..hamashoon saro tah ye karbasan baraye in football ba in tm va in ghavaneen va in mamlekat...
its not like we have ferrari that needs schumacher to drive it!!!
mashti hassan baba from dehe payeenbala is just perfect for teh gary that we have for football!! t least he knows how to communicate to the garikesh!!

perspolees e aziz.................
I also have been saying the same thing, as we need foundemental changes, from,most important, profesional league, to independent knowledgeble IFF, to better governement..............
But, the question,that , what do we do NOW ? must be answered anyway.
And that is to say, what can we do,with situation at hand ?
And, finding a good coach is very relevent in that regard.