Korea - Croatia

[Doctor DOOM]

korea defeated croatia 2-0.

yes, you read it right.

this, after changing their coach recently.

what does it tell us?


goes to show, if the ppl have brains and guts, they will achieve much.
shows it is never too late to change coaches.
and the best thing is the previous korean coach wasnt as bad as our wimp even !!!!!!!!! and he got fired !

on the other hand, if ppl have no brains and no guts, and are always afraid of everything, they will maintain their status-quo , in the end they are the ones who will suffer.


now, which one do we like to be?

[ramingeles2000]

yeah dude, amazing connections...korea beat croatia in a very tight game that could have gone either way..but that definitely concludes that we should get rid of branko, especially considering all the other amazing options we have. there are just sooooo many world class coaches willing to take over the job, why shouldnt we! why are we sticking with this wimp? i mean, all he did was take us to our 3rd ever world cup, and help us defeat both korea and japan in our most crucial games of the last years...but that doesnt matter, all that matters is that korea beat croatia! good one, buddy!

[186forever]

Agha Peyman, unfortunatly it is too late and we cannot even get a freaking team to play with us let alone a better coach. It is just not going to happen.
I have given up and I am only hoping for our player's gheyrat and passion to make Iranians proud.

[Mansoor]

Korea also lost to UAE 1-0 couple of weeks ago!!!!!!!!!!! .............

According to the logic above, Korea made a terrible mistake couple of weeks ago and Iran was very intelligent. Now, of course according to the same logic, Iran made a terrible mistake and Korea was very intelligent.

Please stay tuned as we are waiting next week to update who was what .....

BTW, did you all know these teams that are playing friendlies in non-fifa set dates can not have their star players that are playing in top European leagues.... I don't see any label of B or C teams here.... Double of double standard?

[RaginG Inferno]

Korea also lost to UAE 1-0 couple of weeks ago!!!!!!!!!!! .............
According to the logic above, Korea made a terrible mistake couple of weeks ago and Iran was very intelligent. Now, of course according to the same logic, Iran made a terrible mistake and Korea was very intelligent.
Please stay tuned as we are waiting next week to update who was what .....
BTW, did you all know these teams that are playing friendlies in non-fifa set dates can not have their star players that are playing in top European leagues.... I don't see any label of B or C teams here.... Double of double standard?

Nice!

[Doctor DOOM]

Korea also lost to UAE 1-0 couple of weeks ago!!!!!!!!!!! .............
According to the logic above, Korea made a terrible mistake couple of weeks ago and Iran was very intelligent. Now, of course according to the same logic, Iran made a terrible mistake and Korea was very intelligent.
Please stay tuned as we are waiting next week to update who was what .....
BTW, did you all know these teams that are playing friendlies in non-fifa set dates can not have their star players that are playing in top European leagues.... I don't see any label of B or C teams here.... Double of double standard?

mansoor jan, I know you really want to put branko in a good light.
but sometimes, we just cant buy luck!!

1- first of all I dont know whether croatia's or korea's stars were there.
but lets go with your observation, and just assume they were absent.

so we have a korea's B team against croatia's B team.
( still an equal footing. as opposed to our MAIN & all-star team against macedonia's C team !! )

but mansoor jan, somehow you would be HARD PRESSED to get any buyers to equate croati'as B team with macedonia's C team !!



2- in your zeal to defend branko , I am guessing you forgot the score :
korea scored 2 goals against croatia's none.

whereas Iran, in AZADI, WITH ALL ITS STARS ( read : its MAIN TEAM ) could not even draw with macedonia's C team !!!

big difference, now that we look at it. no?




3- to even attempt to draw parallels between croatia, who qualified DIRECTLY from their group, to macedonia, who were a miserable FIFTH in their group, ..... just leaves one speechless !!!


so much for the "double standard" , eh?

[Club monaco]

Korea vs Croatia Full game Highlights

mmst://newsvod.kbs.co.kr/sportsvod/new_sports/soccer/2006/01/29/060129-2-2.asf

[Mansoor]

mansoor jan, .....

No Dr joon, I didn't wanna put Branko in a good light by responding here but when I find flaw in criticism, I can't help it to bring it up. I criticise both way but I think you try to criticise with only ONE goal in mind and that is not a fair criticism.

First, the thread and my response was in regard to "FRIENDLY" match results as if A friendly match should be the point of reference. That was the main subject and I said how come we forgot UAE match and "are we gonna basically judge this situation like we forecast weather day by day"? At the end, I also brought up the reminder that no mention of B or C was there which basically reflected the "unfair" approach.

Now, how did this started to be the comparison of Croatia or Macadoni, I have no idea. I read my response again and again and I didn't find any reference to Macadonia but I DID find questioning "how come there was no mention of B or C team when expressed the result in the title or through the content". And yes, Croatia was missing 6 of their star players that play in European league if you are still wondering.

[Doctor DOOM]

mansoor jan, of course I have the goal of "getting rid of branko" before the WC games.

you know that.

so how can you even blame me for using anything that can be used against him ?

it's like saying why is the prosecution ( no parallels drawn here ) attacking the defense ??

my belief is that under him we will GROSSLY under-achieve.

and I will do all I can to bring this point to the fore.

cheers mate


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( btw, korea would have also missed quite a handful of their stars, since it was -as you said - not a fifa day . hence the equal footing )


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thanx CM jan for the link

[Mansoor]

mansoor jan, of course I have the goal of "getting rid of branko" before the WC games.

you know that.

so how can you even blame me for using anything that can be used against him ?

it's like saying why is the prosecution ( no parallels drawn here ) attacking the defense ??

my belief is that under him we will GROSSLY under-achieve.

and I will do all I can to bring this point to the fore.

cheers mate


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( btw, korea would have also missed quite a handful of their stars, since it was -as you said - not a fifa day . hence the equal footing )

Knew that, glad to see honesty. But the problem with your approach is that it takes trust away from others accepting your logic as "the goal justifies the mean".

Again, on that side note the question was "why there was no reference to B or C" not comparing teams. That is a deep discussion that I am going to avoid but I'll just put a few lines for you to think about.

I see Korean and Japaneese football very different and unique in the world. They rely on speed and quick passing game due to their natural talent. In a style like this, it is much easier to replace one talent with another one (as we are witness to their relative success in every level and competition and because their talent is "physique" related and not directly football related) than the type of football teams like Iran or Croatia (even super teams like Brazil or France e.g. Zeidan) that are heavily relying on individuals' "special" talent to succeed. And no this is not Branko related, it is the style of Iranian football.

[Doctor DOOM]

oh, on the contrary, I DID answer you on the C or B referneces:

1- first of all I dont know whether croatia's or korea's stars were there.
but lets go with your observation, and just assume they were absent..........

as for the end vs means:

I havent concocted anything out of air to feel guilty of sth.
I use reality and facts to pound the fellow.

was it NOT a fact that we lost to macedonia ? or to korea or to japan, or jordan or qpr, or ..... ?

is it not a fact that the team hasnt shown any semblance of teamwork or decent tactics, thus underlining our series of bad performances in the pat 1.5 yrs, some even when we actually won the games ( like n korea - both games - and bahrain in azadi ) ?

is it not a fact that many of our deficiencies have been there for a long time, like LB, L-mid, GK, ..... ?

and so on and so forth.

[Martin-Reza]

what does it tell us?

That it's a ****ing friendly which doesn't mean crap to anyone. Real result will be visible at World Cup in competitive matches, not in tests.

[Doctor DOOM]

easy tiger.


even the most mundane of friendlies have a "purpose".
I know those are lost on your coach.
I agree results are not the main thing. but when the coach plays all his stars, with no change in formation, tactics, .... then you know he is gunning for the inane thing called "score-line" !

matters like testing new players, formations, strategies, ... !
but that doesnt mean the rest of the world shd be so deficient in their attitude or thinking.

coz if friendlies didnt have any purpose, no-one would be so brainless to actually offer money for such games!!!
it doesnt even make sense!

[Mansoor]

even the most mundane of friendlies have a "purpose".
I know those are lost on your coach.
I agree results are not the main thing. but when the coach plays all his stars, with no change in formation, tactics, .... then you know he is gunning for the inane thing called "score-line" !
matters like testing new players, formations, strategies, ... !
but that doesnt mean the rest of the world shd be so deficient in their attitude or thinking.
coz if friendlies didnt have any purpose, no-one would be so brainless to actually offer money for such games!!!
it doesnt even make sense!

hmmmmmmm, I think I have seen this post some where else before ... let's say about .......... 1000 times! ...... man, don't you get tired of saying the same thing over and over!

[Mansoor]

Denmark 3 Korea 1



Attention! Attention! We have a new update: According to today's result, Korea made a dumb mistake changing coaches before WC! Please stay tuned for update in this situation as Korea has a "friendly" match scheduled against Mexico and then Angola in upcoming weeks.