so now we got our coach...

[The-Red]

Have you guys decieded what name we are going to call him ? or have the Iranian media has ?
Jorje ?
George ?
Arthur ?
Artor ?
"Sibil " ?

ba ejazeyey amoo sibi, I think we should call him sibil koloft, this guy's sibil is really koloft lol

[Adesor Vafaseya]

ba ejazeyey amoo sibi, I think we should call him sibil koloft, this guy's sibil is really koloft lol

man fekr kardam sibilesho zadeh, vagarnah harfi nadashtam... lol




Anyone knows when his is joining the TM camp for our first game?

[Nokhodi]

I think this is unfair to say that he has no experience. For one he is a very unlucky coach and he does have the type of success no coach for TM ever has had. Here are the most important ones.

1984-1988 F.C. Porto (3 domestic championships + European club championship)
1991-1994 Paris Saint-Germain (domestic championship)

As for his failures. When he coached Portugal they did not lose any of the big matches versus teams like Ukraine and Germany in their group but they tied some weaker teams such as Armenia. The missed out on qualification by one point.

His failure in Cameroon was not his fault. When he was hired Cameroon was not doing too well. They hired Artur halfway through and they didn't lose their games, but missed out on WC 2006 by one point because of a missed penatly versus Egypt. Keep in mind they were in the same group as Ivory Coast and Egypt.

His last job at a 2nd division french club was more of a nationalistic thing, becuase the club is actually run by a bunch of Portuguese and most of the players are French-Portuguese. He joined because he was friends with the owners but left after only a couple of games because he did not like the interference from club management.

[Doctor DOOM]

I think this is unfair to say that he has no experience. For one he is a very unlucky coach and he does have the type of success no coach for TM ever has had. Here are the most important ones.
1984-1988 F.C. Porto (3 domestic championships + European club championship)
1991-1994 Paris Saint-Germain (domestic championship)
As for his failures. When he coached Portugal they did not lose any of the big matches versus teams like Ukraine and Germany in their group but they tied some weaker teams such as Armenia. The missed out on qualification by one point.
His failure in Cameroon was not his fault. When he was hired Cameroon was not doing too well. They hired Artur halfway through and they didn't lose their games, but missed out on WC 2006 by one point because of a missed penatly versus Egypt. Keep in mind they were in the same group as Ivory Coast and Egypt.
His last job at a 2nd division french club was more of a nationalistic thing, becuase the club is actually run by a bunch of Portuguese and most of the players are French-Portuguese. He joined because he was friends with the owners but left after only a couple of games because he did not like the interference from club management.

good post.
In fact I think we havent had a TM coach with his amount of experience & exposure ... ever.
yes. you heard me.

( not that he was my first choice, as everyone here knows who was, for TM.
we can fault the man for his age or .... , but certainly NOT for his experience. )

[Libertine]

he needs to make sure he has the right players to communicate his message through, hopefuly the likes of andranik and nekunam when hes back can be arrturs go betweens when he needs to transfer his message onto the pitch

i think andranik and neku are so important for us now, there the most accomplished and mature players we have

[zzgloo]

Another experince of his that may be most related, is his championship with a Saudi club.....

[maij]

i have no idea what to day about this guy...don't want to say anything negative as it might not be fair and be a prejudgment, but his record doesn't really make him qualify to coach TM either with almost no success whatsoever in the past....i will leave the discussion about him for two months from now but reading your thoughts is really interesting and adds to my our knowledge.

This is the One Million Dollars question...

What is the right record/qualification for the Team Melli Iran ?
And the other question , who decides of such criteria ? Is their a procedure within IFF , a ruling or any indication of what is the minimum acceptable qualification ?

In my opinion , there has to be a simple formula with an exit clause. It is not only Team Melli that suffers from lack of stringent ruling , all other National Football teams face the same dilemma.

For example , If Brazil Federation strictly requires that the future Coach of Brazil must be a World Cup winner , then their choice is restricted to only three or four, and I bet you none of them will be available when you want to recruit them......

What I am trying to say.... It is virtually impossible to have strict rulings for National Team coaching selection. Fans make own rules and decide within their own minds but this is nothing short of fantasy. Reality is something much more difficult to apply.

[Doctor DOOM]

the only thing that bothers me with such contracts ( One whole year , extension pending qualification to the final round and so on) is what if the coach does qualify but seeing that the group is weak, we do so while not really having improved as a team under him?

I mean the easy group and qualification to the final round may mask many things, one being a sub par performance. I hope this doesnt happen. but we have to be prepared for anything.
what if the coach turns out a dud, but due to the easy group, we still qualify ?

I guess you can say "once bitten twice shy" in my case as branko also led a team that "technically" qualified for the WC, but his performance in his last 2 years left A LOT to be desired ( I'm being very generous & kind here ).

How can we get out of such a situation? coz legally once we advance, we have no excuses to fire the coach !

[zzgloo]

This is the One Million Dollars question...

What is the right record/qualification for the Team Melli Iran ?
And the other question , who decides of such criteria ? Is their a procedure within IFF , a ruling or any indication of what is the minimum acceptable qualification ?

In my opinion , there has to be a simple formula with an exit clause. It is not only Team Melli that suffers from lack of stringent ruling , all other National Football teams face the same dilemma.

For example , If Brazil Federation strictly requires that the future Coach of Brazil must be a World Cup winner , then their choice is restricted to only three or four, and I bet you none of them will be available when you want to recruit them......

What I am trying to say.... It is virtually impossible to have strict rulings for National Team coaching selection. Fans make own rules and decide within their own minds but this is nothing short of fantasy. Reality is something much more difficult to apply.

I do not know about Brazil...but, aside from the fans in Iran, we here on our site, did talk about some minimal qualification criterias !!

1-Not too old.
2-Recent relative success,( as a sign of being up-to date with today's football ).
3-Experince in WC.
4- Experince in Coaching forign teams,preferebly Asian.
5-Exibiting apparant reason of motivation for success.
6-Tough skin!
7-etc.............................

[the-ali]

One again I give the man our support but I am worried, not because of his track record but because he has not been in charge of a serious team or under any real pressure since 1997!

We all know the amount of pressure that comes with coaching a team like Iran! not just because of high expectations but because of the lack of organization and respect from the higher ups.

[maij]

I do not know about Brazil...but, aside from the fans in Iran, we here on our site, did talk about some minimal qualification criterias !!

1-Not too old.
2-Recent relative success,( as a sign of being up-to date with today's football ).
3-Experince in WC.
4- Experince in Coaching forign teams,preferebly Asian.
5-Exibiting apparant reason of motivation for success.
6-Tough skin!
7-etc.............................

I appreciate that , but most of these points are subject to arguments.
For example , one has to define relative success. Winning league matches in a European league club , winning trophies etc.

About the age.... Most of the better World Class coaches have hit 60+. Remember the coach does not need to be an athlete , he needs to use his brains.

Experience in the World Cup is NOT necessary a requirement for being a successful coach. Mourinho , Wenger and Ferguson are prime examples.

Of course , different people will have different ideas about the criteria.
For me , I can put at least a dozen , but then If I do that and then go back and study it , I would probably change it to suite a candidate(s) that are realistically available and affordable. In another word , I would pick a few that are possible candidates , then adjust my requirement to pick one. That is not a perfect solution , but a solution to be considered.


I am afraind putting hard rules for selection , could mean that Team Melli will NEVER get a coach according to these criterion.

[zzgloo]

I appreciate that , but most of these points are subject to arguments.
For example , one has to define relative success. Winning league matches in a European league club , winning trophies etc.

About the age.... Most of the better World Class coaches have hit 60+. Remember the coach does not need to be an athlete , he needs to use his brains.

Experience in the World Cup is NOT necessary a requirement for being a successful coach. Mourinho , Wenger and Ferguson are prime examples.

Of course , different people will have different ideas about the criteria.
For me , I can put at least a dozen , but then If I do that and then go back and study it , I would probably change it to suite a candidate(s) that are realistically available and affordable. In another word , I would pick a few that are possible candidates , then adjust my requirement to pick one. That is not a perfect solution , but a solution to be considered.


I am afraind putting hard rules for selection , could mean that Team Melli will NEVER get a coach according to these criterion.

maij e aziz....
I agree with your initial comment about, what is done is done, and we need to get on with the business at hand with our new coach,no matter how he is selected.
I also agree with DD,that we ( that is Iran), can not have top coach,as we are not a very appealling destination.
I also agree that age,and even WC experince may not be necessary.
But, may be, haveing "tough skin", and "Motivation for success", as well as knowledge of today's football is vital. after all , it appeared that komiteh enteghali,and future IFF were commited to find some one better than Branko,and were willing to pay top money.....and not just ,a bargain coach that Branko was supposed to be !!.....

[Nokhodi]

One again I give the man our support but I am worried, not because of his track record but because he has not been in charge of a serious team or under any real pressure since 1997!

We all know the amount of pressure that comes with coaching a team like Iran! not just because of high expectations but because of the lack of organization and respect from the higher ups.

He was coaching Cameroon in 2005. That wasn't high pressure?

[maij]

maij e aziz....
I agree with your initial comment about, what is done is done, and we need to get on with the business at hand with our new coach,no matter how he is selected.
I also agree with DD,that we ( that is Iran), can not have top coach,as we are not a very appealling destination.
I also agree that age,and even WC experince may not be necessary.
But, may be, haveing "tough skin", and "Motivation for success", as well as knowledge of today's football is vital. after all , it appeared that komiteh enteghali,and future IFF were commited to find some one better than Branko,and were willing to pay top money.....and not just ,a bargain coach that Branko was supposed to be !!.....

We have to face the fact that Iran , rightly or wrongly , simply is not an appealing destination for a top level coach. I don't like to sound revolutionary or be on the side of the extremist , when I say "To hell with them". We simply cannot change , demography , culture and social fabric of a nation to accommodate them foreign coaches.

The IFF committee tried its best , but failed to attract what is probably a good coach for Team Melli. That is all one can ask , now ...what's next ? go to plan "B" or Plan "C".....

I have no problem AT ALL , seeing one of the vatani coaches leading the team , despite the fact that he is below the level of top European coaches in experience and technical ability or leadership.

[Doctor DOOM]

to continue majid jan's line of thought, I must agree and add that we dont really NEED a Grade A coach ... at least at the moment.

You see, an A grade coach's usefulness is optimized when that region's football is already a top tier one, fully professional and performing at top levels. the likes of wenger, lippi, capello, rajkaard, ... fit well into the football of spain, england, italy, ... . such coaches make full use of the setting and get the best out of that football.

such coaches, even if they somehow lose their sanity and come to Iran, will not be able to perform at such high levels simply becoz the material at their disposal is NOT on par with their abilities. almost every requisite for success by such coaches is absent or is deficient in Iran. well, maybe only talent is on par with the rest of the world. but you cant clap with one hand. talent alone is not enough.

so to cut a long story short, we not only wont get A grade coaches, we dont even need them to begin with. we must concentrate and hope we get good B grade coaches who CAN work with sub par football. who have shown they are more inclined to "build" rather than "make full use". who have an affinity and patience needed for working with half pros and amateurs, dealing with shortcomings & problems, lacks and deficiencies.

if you give a peykan to Schumy, he wont be able to get much out of it and beat a ferrari or even a renault. so why waste money and time ?



having said that, I , by no earthly means, say we shd settle for any crap that comes our way and lower our expectations and standards to mediocrity that happened with branko.
No. but we certainly can have the likes of ivic, ciro, jorge, terim, santini, denizli , ... who CAN deal with all our problems and still have enough in them to ELEVATE our standards ( not stagnate like branko ).