Evaluating Kafashian and Clemente

[gol_kuchik]

There was a poll conducted by PFDC prior to world cup 2006, which asked how
far do you think TM will advance in WC 2006. I think some
25% of the respondants said to the finals, all the while the odds for Iran to
make it to the finals was 250-1

In any professional sport that I know of, a teams current roster, previous
years perfomance etc is looked at and realistic goals are set for what is
expected of that team. Naturally, a coach that takes over a team that has 22-8-2
record is judged differently than a team that was just promoted. This also
applies to an organization like IFF, although we may have to think harder on
how to evaluate the head of IFFs performance.

The reason I am opening this thread, is to get your collective opinion on:

1-How should Mr.Kafashian be evaluated?
(given that he will be IFF head for at least 3 years).
2-How should Clemente be evaluated?

I think it is very important for us as fans to set specific goals and expectation and try to objectively rate the success or failure of both of these very important individuals in our lives for the forseeable future.

After I get a collection of suggestions and criteria for this task, and we
discussed them in length and reached a rough consensus, we can
hopefully edit and put it for public (football forum) poll and then call it PFDCs
ranking.

This will include minimum performance requirement for both jobs, adaquate
performance and then excellent performance.

Without further due, I would like to turn this to you, for your input:

For both Mr.Kafashian and Coach Clemente, please state
a-minimum (a C or passing grade)
b-adaquate(a B or did a fine job)
c-Above (an A or really a superb perfromance beyound what we thought
was realistically was possible and required great vision and delievery.

Also there needs to be a progress report interval, for instance we can
have monthly, quarterly or semi-annual etc rating. The goals also can
be short term (next 2 months), medium term (6 month - 1 year) and long term (1-5 years).

Please give your opinion on this, regardless of if it has been already mentioned by another member, that way I can tally the true support for a given criteria.

If you dont think this is a worthwhile thing to do, please also state your reason.

[Doctor DOOM]

Good suggestion.
I absolutely agree that there ought to be some sort of control and monitoring system set in place that evaluates officials' and even IFF's performance.
so when they start to falter, they can be notified or at least the records serve as evidence for an eventual dismissal or action.

1) Being a bloody lazy arse, I cant think straight on the matter of monitoring kfashian/IFF.
I can say what irked me during dadkan's era. But to formulate the required duties and standards, ... is better left to more intelligent members here than me.

My bone with dadkan and his admin'n was on many issues:
- bias in display of support for clubs representing us at ACL. he didnt even come to isfahan when both our isfahani teams were participating in asia!
- general and wide-spread failure in all youth levels as none of them reached the respective WC's.
- inability to recognize or inaction in the face of a downward trend at TM, in months prior to the WC.
- inability in arranging suitable friendlies and preparing them in advance.
- inability in rectifying the laws in IFF which culminated in Fifa entering the fray and banning us later on.
...etc.

But what I expect the new IFF:
- adhering to impartiality in dealing with clubs in Iran.
- setting new standards and actively pursuing rejuvenation of our youth programs that shd enable our youth level TM's to show progress and eventually reach the WC
- providing the best atmosphere and facilities for the seniors TM.
- friendlies and other duties in regards to the needs of TM in their preparations.
- sensible farsightedness in scheduling and planning various trips ( official and friendlies ) of TM. from flight scheduling to hotels and .... etc.
- appointing top pros in areas needed such as psychologists, doctors, ... for all levels of TM
- policy of transparency in all matters especially monetary.
- .... etc


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2) As for the coach's, it's a bit easier.
- dedication and commitment on his part to the team, its players and the needs of our football.
- leniency and flexibility in dealing with various issues.
- progressive approach to elevate standards of TM seniors ( and perhaps other levels as well ).
- having both short term & long term plans for the team.
- setting new limits for achievement.
- delivering where it matters; official games.
- .... etc.

[gol_kuchik]

Thank you DD jan for this valuable input. This is the brain storming session. So we need to collect all the ideas . Yours are great start and will need
to formalize these. Also please provide specific ways, on how to measure
progress or lack thereof in each category.

One approach I thought of (the idea still needs refining but roughly
--advanced point assignement
In this system, each category has a total maximum points that can be gained
for instance lets look at the organizing friendlies categories. Let's say each
year we need a number of friendlies (say 4) we can assign a value of 250
to each for a total of 1000 points. And then based on whatever the goal
is (hight quality, good prep etc) rank the friendlies based on organization, planning, quality.

So if 1 gets cancelled 250 points is lost. Or if we expected in the plans that a friendly
against a top tier team is needed but wound up playing with a weak team, 1/2 the points
is given.

This is of course one approach. A good thing about it is, then a combined
score can be computed and an average (GPA) obtained in the end, or at certain
interval along the way. So It can also help track progress for each plan rather easily.

[zzgloo]

gol-kochik jaan.......God bless You, ....Needed suggestion.....
.................
I like to look at the issue with practical and realistic eye ......,
After the loss in last WC, I noticed a realtively decent reaction from the government..............as our sport complex is intertwined with poletics !
keep in mind,that this government, does not realy care much about its people,as we saw frizing cold through out Iran, and lack of official efficiencies caused many people die of cold ,due to cuting distribution of natural Gas,etc,etc............
So, Football has poletical value for ISlamic Republic........as we also see last week, a major international confference in Tehran, about ,Psycological aspects of success in sport, and advancements in sport technology,etc..
We also see, Iranian success in other major sports !! as well as advancements sports we even did not know existed !!,as well as a larg contigent of foerign coaches for so many different sports,.....and Direct involevemnt of office of presidencies in many sport matters.........
etc,etc,etc,etc............
All in all, It is apparant, that although,there are so many stupid mistakes,and so many inefficienecies, and so many bad and rediculuse manegemnts styles......BUT,and that is a big BUT, ..the system is trying its best !!!,and the key word is , " IT's BEST ".....
In my opinion, expecting any thing more out of this system,is unrealistic.
..........haveing said all this, ....they also did thier best, in finding a coach, again,,considering how much this system has credit in the world, and how much it realisticaly cappeble of !!...in a country,that has hardly a decent "Bathroom " to go to in the whole country........
so, that is what I call ,keeping things in perspective !!!

[Doctor DOOM]

DANG !!!
I knew you'd be asking for specifics !!! GGrrrrrrr!
now, that's more difficult.



but seriously, there are a lot of IN-tangible things that cant be broken down into points or stats.
for example the WAY or quality with which TM plays. how to measure it?
we cant base it on number of goals scored & conceded only.
is it the stats on short/long passes ?
or ... . we know on many cases such stats dont reflect the true quality of team.

But I guess, we have to do with what we CAN measure.
I agree, majid jan's point system of evaluation encompassing all elements will be a fair one.

the same for IFF's case.so many immeasurable elements that cannot be put into stats.
it cant be the number of stadiums or number of tours conducted for various TM's or ... etc.


however, there is a more simple method:
a quarterly poll conducted evaluating the performance of IFF or the coach.
there wont be many numbers but members can chose between scores of 1-5 or 1-10 to evaluate the IFF's or coach's performance for that quarter.
add to this:
- Majid's point system for TM.
-...

more, later as I think of anything.

[zzgloo]

I am not sure if I understood the pointing system..may be you could help me quantify my evaluations.

Important yard-sticks........

For caoching

1- Results !!!
2-Long lasting influence in Our football.
3-finding new talents.
4-solveing short-comeings.
5-Youth involement.
6-Avoiding media and mafia sand-storms.
7-helping Iran,find its style of football.

For IFF

1-Helping inferstucture.
2-help preoffesionalize our league.
3-internationalize our football manegement.
4-Long term planning for domestic and Asia,and WC.
5-Finding meaningful friendliy games.
6-elevate our FIFA ranking.
7-stablishing foundation for fairer next IFF elections.

[gol_kuchik]

ZZ jan, your second post was a lot more helpful The first post in essence
is what we have. No metrics, and no evaluation, except for each individuals
--feelings--.

I think there are two parts to this effort which I lumped them together but
are really seperate.

1-Setting what the goals are. (I think here we will end up eliminating the
ones that can not be measured or are hard to measure vs those that can)
for instance your suggestion of finding new talents can be measured
and graded and an excellent one. Still that needs to become more specific.

For instance,
-How many new faces do you think will be a bare minimum that Celemente
should introduce up to WC (long term)? (A number will quantify this).
-To reach that goal, how many do we need this year? (medium term)

This obviously now goes a bit beyound just an idea. It goes to a bit of
study of what would be a good mix of young vs experienced players. The
great upshot of it would be, we wont be left with a team that is old or the
reverse a team like Korea with almost 80% of the roster suddenly updated.

2-Finding a metric on how the above goals can be all put together (if possible)
for a an over all grade. (This may or may not make sense but will at least
give it a try).

Here's what I am going to do since I already got positive feed back from
valuable members: and this effort should have a time-table as well


I will take suggestions in the month of Feb, and create a list of those offers
which I think can be measurable and those that can not be measured.
I am afraid the intangibles will have to be left out for the first phase of this
project. Some like finding an Iranian style, I am sure
it will be very difficult to quantify , but the same attribute can be broken
down in per game zone performance. (defence, offense, transition to each,
left, rigth flank perfomance) and tracked.

My goal is to have this system ready by the end of 3rd round (June/July).

We can then apply the system (backdate it) to the first round that starts
with the game against Syria. If the system is in place sooner
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Going forward, please remember anything you suggested must be measurable
and it is up to you to provide a way to tell us how to measure something if
you think is important for tracking.

[zzgloo]

ZZ jan, your second post was a lot more helpful The first post in essence
is what we have. No metrics, and no evaluation, except for each individuals
--feelings--.

I think there are two parts to this effort which I lumped them together but
are really seperate.

1-Setting what the goals are. (I think here we will end up eliminating the
ones that can not be measured or are hard to measure vs those that can)
for instance your suggestion of finding new talents can be measured
and graded and an excellent one. Still that needs to become more specific.

For instance,
-How many new faces do you think will be a bare minimum that Celemente
should introduce up to WC (long term)? (A number will quantify this).
-To reach that goal, how many do we need this year? (medium term)

This obviously now goes a bit beyound just an idea. It goes to a bit of
study of what would be a good mix of young vs experienced players. The
great upshot of it would be, we wont be left with a team that is old or the
reverse a team like Korea with almost 80% of the roster suddenly updated.

2-Finding a metric on how the above goals can be all put together (if possible)
for a an over all grade. (This may or may not make sense but will at least
give it a try).

Here's what I am going to do since I already got positive feed back from
valuable members: and this effort should have a time-table as well


I will take suggestions in the month of Feb, and create a list of those offers
which I think can be measurable and those that can not be measured.
I am afraid the intangibles will have to be left out for the first phase of this
project. Some like finding an Iranian style, I am sure
it will be very difficult to quantify , but the same attribute can be broken
down in per game zone performance. (defence, offense, transition to each,
left, rigth flank perfomance) and tracked.

My goal is to have this system ready by the end of 3rd round (June/July).

We can then apply the system (backdate it) to the first round that starts
with the game against Syria. If the system is in place sooner
================================================== =====

Going forward, please remember anything you suggested must be measurable
and it is up to you to provide a way to tell us how to measure something if
you think is important for tracking.

Thanks for explanations golkuchik jaan.............
this reminds me of a course I used to have while in school..........the name of the course was Sombolic-Logic, and we were supposed to write ,or translate..poerty to math symbols, ................You may know a little...
If P Then Q
-P or Q
P & Q ..which for example, P or Q = -P&Q, etc......
If it rains,you get wet
rains or staying dry = No rain and stay dry....etc............
.................................................. .........
Let me know, how you will be quantifing the tasks.......

[zzgloo]

After watching the NAVAD program ( Thanks to maij jaan ), it seems that he is very well in command, and media can not corner him.......
and more importantly, he may be draging this family issue, and staying in Iran issue, just long enough to see Iran against Syria, ......so, in case that Iran loses to Syria,and chances of getting qualified get slim, even in the rearly round,and haveing no chance to participate before qualifing.....he might as well not accept the job......................
he is not just after money,,,,he also needs to go back to the WC,and present himself to the WC audience..and better his resume'..........coaching in Iran, and get $500 k in 4 years..., and get no where, is not his plan !!.........

[gol_kuchik]

I wish I could change the title to just IFF head evaluation. At any rate, here's are some
specific I have come up with (some based on your valuable suggestions)

An official IFF site, as a vehicle to convey all the goals/status to the fans:
a-This site must be the channel for all the official news coming out of IFF
b-Like FIFA and AFC site, must have documents that shows all the rules
governing, IPL and all IFF supervised leagues.
b-1 Explicitly state IFF election process, regulation, candidate qualification criteria
c-Disclosure of overall budget
c-1: Sources of revenues
c-2: Expenses
d-Vision statement
d-1 Short term goals (6-months to 2 years time frame)
-Resource allocation for U18-U23 TM
-Organization/Planning for friendlies 1 year in advance (or what the
international standards is: Korea or Japan as model)
d-2- Long term goals (beyound 2 years)
-Development of professional refs
goals: At least 2 Iranian ref in Asian Cup 2011
goals: At least 1 Iranian ref in WC 2014
-Development of professional coaches
goals: At least 1 international coach by 2014 (Iranian coach)
(How to develop international level coaches? See below)
Hiring of/Contracting high quality international coach just to teach/develop
our coaches
(as opposed to a TM coach that is giving other tasks).
d-3 development of youth program, promotion and help for independent clubs

e: Stadiums/Sports facilities
e-1: A world class stadium (at least 35000) in a city other than Tehran
preferrably some place with war weather, like Bandar Abbas, Abadan
e-2: Minimum standard for stadiums
e-3: Improving transportation to/from stadiums
e-4: Status of stadiums under construcion, expected completion dates, costs
e-5: Creation of non-spectator fields (football schools), in locations that allows
for both summer and winter football camps. (i.e Ardabil, ChahBahar etc).

f: International obligation
f:1 Hosting of 2015 or 2019 AFC championship, along with coordination with
other sectors for providing adaquate resources (Hotels, Transportation etc)
to accomodate tourists football fans.*


*There was no reason for Urawa fans to stay in Esphahan for only 2 hours and leave just
after the game, that is our best tourist city, and if we can't accomodate those 1500
visitors for 2 nights that is a shame.

Please help in formalizing this. Thanks for all the help.

[gol_kuchik]

Doostan,

With the headcoach firefighting off at least for now, I really believe this to be a great opportunity to put forth a real proposal to IFF head, on What We Want rather than this always: What we don't want after the fact. If I get enough feed back on this, I was hoping to put the items we agreed upon as a set of requirement to the football forum for consensus and hopefully send that to IFF, and Iranian sports media on behalf of PFDC. But that requires your help/criticism.
As much as I could, I have tried to put measurable requirement sometimes even with specific dates to achieve that goal. Some dates I just could not pick, but I think all this needs specific goals with specific dates which I hope we can nail. (Please review post #10
below)

[zzgloo]

I wish I could change the title to just IFF head evaluation. At any rate, here's are some
specific I have come up with (some based on your valuable suggestions)

An official IFF site, as a vehicle to convey all the goals/status to the fans:
a-This site must be the channel for all the official news coming out of IFF
b-Like FIFA and AFC site, must have documents that shows all the rules
governing, IPL and all IFF supervised leagues.
b-1 Explicitly state IFF election process, regulation, candidate qualification criteria
c-Disclosure of overall budget
c-1: Sources of revenues
c-2: Expenses
d-Vision statement
d-1 Short term goals (6-months to 2 years time frame)
-Resource allocation for U18-U23 TM
-Organization/Planning for friendlies 1 year in advance (or what the
international standards is: Korea or Japan as model)
d-2- Long term goals (beyound 2 years)
-Development of professional refs
goals: At least 2 Iranian ref in Asian Cup 2011
goals: At least 1 Iranian ref in WC 2014
-Development of professional coaches
goals: At least 1 international coach by 2014 (Iranian coach)
(How to develop international level coaches? See below)
Hiring of/Contracting high quality international coach just to teach/develop
our coaches
(as opposed to a TM coach that is giving other tasks).
d-3 development of youth program, promotion and help for independent clubs

e: Stadiums/Sports facilities
e-1: A world class stadium (at least 35000) in a city other than Tehran
preferrably some place with war weather, like Bandar Abbas, Abadan
e-2: Minimum standard for stadiums
e-3: Improving transportation to/from stadiums
e-4: Status of stadiums under construcion, expected completion dates, costs
e-5: Creation of non-spectator fields (football schools), in locations that allows
for both summer and winter football camps. (i.e Ardabil, ChahBahar etc).

f: International obligation
f:1 Hosting of 2015 or 2019 AFC championship, along with coordination with
other sectors for providing adaquate resources (Hotels, Transportation etc)
to accomodate tourists football fans.*


*There was no reason for Urawa fans to stay in Esphahan for only 2 hours and leave just
after the game, that is our best tourist city, and if we can't accomodate those 1500
visitors for 2 nights that is a shame.

Please help in formalizing this. Thanks for all the help.

Thanks.....it is very well and comprehensive.............
If I may, suggest to add to this : It is better for IFF to organize and allocate, plan...... Free agency,...........draft,.................... football agents and thier organizations, as well as , Universities, and schools.

[Doctor DOOM]

GK jan, the list is a pretty good one.
this list would easily mirror those that were set in more organized and advanced footballing nations' fed'ns. and is very practical at the same time.
But it is Iran and IFF we are talking about. and we know what SHOULD happen is not what DOES happen in Iran !!!
for example, good luck convincing IFF ( or any other organ in Iran for that matter ) "disclosing their budget" !
hah! the bastards would sooner die than let ppl know how much chapavol & bokhor-bokhor of beit-ol-maal is happening in these places !!



for coach training, I think they need to set a proper and fixed schedule for many aspects of it, be it camps/tours of foreign clubs, training camps abroad, frequent tutorial sessions in Iran, .... etc.
and this shd be fixed. not how it is today with rare classes haphazardly arranged and whenever they "feel like it" !!


and some of the issues are not directly related to the IFF. like hosting and our available facilities at the time of uruwa fans' visit.
however, IFF can and shd coordinate with our tourism industry ppl ( if such an organ does exist in Iran ) and make proper arrangements that will serve not only our football but the whole country's image in the world.

[gol_kuchik]

Thanks for the input guys. ZZ jan, could you clarify explain a bit more,
on your comment.

GK jan, the list is a pretty good one.
this list would easily mirror those that were set in more organized and advanced footballing nations' fed'ns. and is very practical at the same time.
But it is Iran and IFF we are talking about. and we know what SHOULD happen is not what DOES happen in Iran !!!
for example, good luck convincing IFF ( or any other organ in Iran for that matter ) "disclosing their budget" !
hah! the bastards would sooner die than let ppl know how much chapavol & bokhor-bokhor of beit-ol-maal is happening in these places !!

DD Jan, at least we should put forth a list. This is the wish list so to speak.
Also, this is the evaluation criteria. Next step would be to assign some
values/points to each. For instance, how important is it for us to have
international ref? Or how important is it for IFF to have a site, at least
covering/including basic IPL rules/schedule etc? As for ref, I think 2 or 3 top
coaches every year must get a paid vacation + 2/3 days of coaching clinic in
Europe to improve (as a suggestion).

Also, may be someone in IFF is doing a lot of this already so it would be great they can let
us know of the progess.

for coach training, I think they need to set a proper and fixed schedule for many aspects of it, be it camps/tours of foreign clubs, training camps abroad, frequent tutorial sessions in Iran, .... etc.
and this shd be fixed. not how it is today with rare classes haphazardly arranged and whenever they "feel like it" !!

Completely agree. Who should be sent? Any more specifics? (for how long?)

and some of the issues are not directly related to the IFF. like hosting and our available facilities at the time of uruwa fans' visit.
however, IFF can and shd coordinate with our tourism industry ppl ( if such an organ does exist in Iran ) and make proper arrangements that will serve not only our football but the whole country's image in the world.

I placed an asterisk to make it look like a footnote or comment, to dangle
the carrot for potential benefit Iran can reap from this (i.e Kafashian, if
he is smart enough should get involved in getting businesses support fo
TM and by that I mean other than just "Majid" sports clothes , but more
like many heads of football associations like in Europe coordinate with
Businesses. But will take it out, because the proposal should contain only
quantifieble items. Thanks!

[Doctor DOOM]

- oh, I agree, absolutely.
the principle of putting the "disclosure" item is very valid.
the least is they know ppl are aware & sensitive towards these aspects of the sports' administration.


- for coaches selection for these sessions, I think they can always track each coach's tri-monthly ( or any other fixed period ) records and those with higher points get awarded with these sessions inside and outside Iran.
which in turn, creates a sense of competition and increased motivation among the coaches.


- I agree with the notion of dangling the carrot. as long as it looks "green and paper-like" they shd buy it.

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I think bahram is referring to Majid Jalali's comprehensive plans when he was in charge of youth development 3-4 years back, before he took over saba.
he had quite a comprehensive and wide-spread plan of scouting and recruitment of talent at levels as low as schools and states.
he divided Iran into different regions and for each region he assigned a committee, comprised of local coaches, to oversee all youth competitions from school level up.
and then they were to select a pool of talent in each region.
followed by another filtration which brought down the numbers to manageable ones ( cant remember how many ) for each region. who were to be gathered and subsequently sent to a central camp for the final selection under scrutiny and supervision of jalali himself.

sounded like a very correct plan.
and imminently do-able.
as long as IFF agrees to provide a budget for this.