In the event that Clemente fails to sign ...

[Doctor DOOM]

you know, at the risk of sounding REAALLY CRAZY I think even MK would be enough for the first round.

lets see what the team needs:

1- needs an "agha bala sar" who will start the team on tactics and strategy, get the players coordinated and work with the team. ( this criteria is universal and applies to all candidates for the job.)

2- discipline.

3- since we need to score to win games and garner enough points, and considering we DO have good enough offensive material within the larger roster of TM, an offensive minded coach could get things done better.

4- a coach who does NOT bend down in the face of fame and celebrity players. to him "names" dont matter and that's what I always admired about him, even when he was screwing up and coming up short in leading his teams.


MK is a disciplinarian, doesnt give a damn about celebrity status of players, and is offensive minded. plz tick points 2,3 & 4.
I can also vouch strongly for his patriotism and well intentions for Iran. his expertise may have been questionable, but not his intentions towards TM and Iran. He always comes across someone who really cares about TM and Iran, even if his views are wrong or at times, xenophobic.



the only doubt some of us have is if and when an interim coach gets us through the first round can or will any one replace them with a proper coach. I think if it is discussed and clarified prior to appointing the interim coach, it is very much possible to do so. all vatani coaches love Iran to succeed and be a part of it. hell, they can be promised to be the vatani man for the impending coach and remain in the staff if he wishes to stay on ( even at the expense of EZ. a bit hard on EZ, but these are desperate times ).


btw, I think he'd be a very good candidate for the HEAD of IFF post one day.

[BehzadB]

I think due to the Political aspects of TM football, I really doubt that STB/IFF will hire an Iranian head coach.

if Clemente says no, which seems like he will, we have to look elsewhere and Iran will not be an option..

[maij]

In regards to the second question, a position where the player can be beneficial to the team. For instance, Nikbakht at lb is not beneficial. It is a waste of an offensive talent, and inhibits the use of a proper lb who could help support the team defensively.

Anybody else care to answer?

I do , if you tell me who defines the position.

Of course everyone wants the position to be beneficial , unless the coach wants to sabotage his own team , so who decides on that position ?

[maij]

Doc... I have always admired MK's capability....

Let us not forget that the team he built in Asian Cup 96 was the begeining of the uprising of Iranian football and despite his inexperience , he produced the most exciting Team Melli in decades and certainly since pre-revolution era...

[gol_kuchik]

Doc... I have always admired MK's capability....

Let us not forget that the team he built in Asian Cup 96 was the begeining of the uprising of Iranian football and despite his inexperience , he produced the most exciting Team Melli in decades and certainly since pre-revolution era...

Who couldn't use a good slap or two I guess?

[maij]

I think due to the Political aspects of TM football, I really doubt that STB/IFF will hire an Iranian head coach.

if Clemente says no, which seems like he will, we have to look elsewhere and Iran will not be an option..

To start with , STB or PEO has no business meddling in Football administration. It is NOT their call and indeed if they continue doing that , I bet all my fortune that Iran will be suspended and this time for a long period.

IF head of PEO , who should know better and head the lessons , I predict that the doomsday scenario will be a reality for Iran's football.

From what I know , the only stumbling block with Clemente is his family and residency status in Iran. He is not too concerned about the mighty task ahead , in fact , he relishes that challange. If this is not acceptable for IFF , then ...... be it. I don't think the status of TM can be worse than it is now.

[zzgloo]

The topic here on this thread is " If clemente fails to sign..." :
We in Iran, have to always play catch-up and improvise......and this is a reality,some of us do not accept,and look at the issue, Idealisticaly.
We are here again, and again...where we have to say again : " Considering the circustanses....we should do so and so.... "
This is the nature of our system.........WE MUST ACCEPT THIS AS A FACT OF LIFE WITH OUR FOOTBALL.............
So, haveing said all that.............
if clemente fails to sign........... we are defenetly better off to go with a domestic coach.............and the practical,and logical choices, can only be GN,or Ghotbi....................
With GN, we know what he can do............and that is enough to go to the next round with..............
and with Ghotbi....we are not sure.

[BehzadB]

To start with , STB or PEO has no business meddling in Football administration. It is NOT their call and indeed if they continue doing that , I bet all my fortune that Iran will be suspended and this time for a long period.

IF head of PEO , who should know better and head the lessons , I predict that the doomsday scenario will be a reality for Iran's football.

From what I know , the only stumbling block with Clemente is his family and residency status in Iran. He is not too concerned about the mighty task ahead , in fact , he relishes that challange. If this is not acceptable for IFF , then ...... be it. I don't think the status of TM can be worse than it is now.

But Majeed jan, we both know that PEO does make the decision anyways.. We all know that Kafashian is in tune with AA (ali abadi) completley.. Kafashian is practically AA's puppet..

however, my point earlier was that Politics side of football specially regarding TM is so great that the politicians will at least in an attempt to gain popularity, try to find a good foreign coach for TM.. If our coach is , say Javier Clemente, TM's success and failure can be directed to the coach, instead of Kafashian or AA.. but if the coach is QN or another Iranian coach, his success / failure will directly affect Kafashian/AA and their political future , at least with regards to Football/sports

[BehzadB]

I actually am beginning to second guess the decision to offer Clemente the job.

I think considering what Clemente has done with regards to his hesitation to sign, we should Withdraw our offer to him and go look else where.

we shouldn't even wait for Sunday..


I am worried that Clemente 'might' make the decision that he will quickly regret. as we say in farsi he is "do-del" about this and he might remain "do-del" through out the times he is our coach.. and that's a big no no...

anyways, I don't think he will take the job...

[zzgloo]

Behzad jaan, pointed out very nice points about kafashian,and IFF,looking for scape goat....
The way I see through the body language,Clemente, is very smart, and little arrogant............he appeared to be condecending,and patronizing......., and ......there was nothing humble or appriciative about his body language...
as if he is doing a faivor.......
The low class way he was treated at the airport, and the lower class translator they assigned for him,and the extreme attention he was recieved, was not football enthusiasm to him, it was more recieved by him,as intimidated country by his resume'.............
I do not see any hard work comeing out of him for TM....., even if he is hired.

[maij]

Behzad jaan, pointed out very nice points about kafashian,and IFF,looking for scape goat....
The way I see through the body language,Clemente, is very smart, and little arrogant............he appeared to be condecending,and patronizing......., and ......there was nothing humble or appriciative about his body language...
as if he is doing a faivor.......
The low class way he was treated at the airport, and the lower class translator they assigned for him,and the extreme attention he was recieved, was not football enthusiasm to him, it was more recieved by him,as intimidated country by his resume'.............
I do not see any hard work coming out of him for TM....., even if he is hired.

I see Clemente's hesitation in another prospective...But first of all , let us not forget that all of us here in the forum , do not have the full picture...we do not know exactly what is going on , so our opinions are really short of proper assessment and based on hearsay. However , we assume that he is not happy with some clauses like residency.

Whether it is an issue or not is up to IFF , in any case , an alternative plan should have been there before even the negotiation have even started with Clemente. I think IFF should be flexible enough , however not to bend over completely at the candidate's demand, After all , an employee must abide respect the terms of his employment. If he deals falls apart , then I don't think it is a disaster.

Clemente is not the top 10 coaches of the world , according to his own statement , so ....go for the next plan.

I personally don't think Clement is here to make a million and then piss off when things wrong. I believe he relishes a challenge , but will not accept the role if it is affecting his quality of life to an extent that is not acceptable for him and his family. Let us face it , everyone has the right to do that......it is not a question of him being arrogant.

[Doctor DOOM]

there could be another side:
some ppl before committing to something want to clear every source of clash or disagreement so when the contract is signed, no one will be surprised or have differing approaches.
and it is good. especially seeing ppl like aari haan come and sign, and then after 2 weeks run away becoz they didnt know or didnt account for this and that !
it's better to put the differences and clashes on the table before-hand. see if the 2 parties can work. but once they do agree to sign, then they stay committed.

at least I hope this is the case. I dont know.

[zzgloo]

I see Clemente's hesitation in another prospective...But first of all , let us not forget that all of us here in the forum , do not have the full picture...we do not know exactly what is going on , so our opinions are really short of proper assessment and based on hearsay. However , we assume that he is not happy with some clauses like residency.

Whether it is an issue or not is up to IFF , in any case , an alternative plan should have been there before even the negotiation have even started with Clemente. I think IFF should be flexible enough , however not to bend over completely at the candidate's demand, After all , an employee must abide respect the terms of his employment. If he deals falls apart , then I don't think it is a disaster.

Clemente is not the top 10 coaches of the world , according to his own statement , so ....go for the next plan.

I personally don't think Clement is here to make a million and then piss off when things wrong. I believe he relishes a challenge , but will not accept the role if it is affecting his quality of life to an extent that is not acceptable for him and his family. Let us face it , everyone has the right to do that......it is not a question of him being arrogant.

maij jaan..........you are so right, as clemente has the right to find what fits his life style and satisfying his interests....
and you are so right, as we realy do not know what exactly going on.....
And it defenetly premature to call him arrogant yet.
But,we could Speculate, can't we ?....you did that too !
I see him looking for a free ride to go WC.
...he is not looking for bettering his resume' or money ,as branko was.
But, I do not see him too concerned about , Iranians....( as whether he has ' Gozasheh mara sare kar' )
The norm in international interviews, and TV invitaions all around the world, is to appear humble, and thanking the opportunity, and Promising of hard work,etc,etc specialy on his first time!!!..........................HE DID NOT DO ANY OF THAT......
that appeared to me as arrogant.

[maij]

maij jaan..........you are so right, as clemente has the right to find what fits his life style and satisfying his interests....
and you are so right, as we realy do not know what exactly going on.....
And it defenetly premature to call him arrogant yet.
But,we could Speculate, can't we ?....you did that too !
I see him looking for a free ride to go WC.
...he is not looking for bettering his resume' or money ,as branko was.
But, I do not see him too concerned about , Iranians....( as whether he has ' Gozasheh mara sare kar' )
The norm in international interviews, and TV invitaions all around the world, is to appear humble, and thanking the opportunity, and Promising of hard work,etc,etc specialy on his first time!!!..........................HE DID NOT DO ANY OF THAT......
that appeared to me as arrogant.

Well that might the case.....what would you prefer:

1- An arrogant knowledgeable and experienced coach
2- Down to earth , humble inexperienced coach

[maij]

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