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[Doctor DOOM]

Latest development. Kafashian, announced that the TM coach
selection will be deferred for one week.

I'll be putting 2 and 2 together - and since it is IRAN we're talking - and reaching 7.3, I think this deference of appointment is a good omen.

fact:
whatever the media touches, it turns to scum. and they end up f**king it up royally, by bringing unnecesary tension and angles into it.
which supports IFF's desire to be more SECRETIVE in this task ( refer to :
http://www.mehrnews.com/fa/newsdetai...?NewsID=645341 )

fact :
clemente may have shown some leniency in his terms

adding these 2, to the deference of the appointment, I wouldnt be surprised to later find out the week was spent in final negotiations and after a week clemente arriving in Iran and signing the contract.

lets keep our fingers crossed and slowly accept that only in Iran 2+2=7.3

[maij]

The wonderful thoughts of the technical committee!

I am speechless at the news that IFF considering Ghotbi for the job.

I have always admired the man for his some-how limited success with Perspolis more to do with his character rather than technical ability , which is at best quite moderate!

But then again , we are talking about Iran ..Right ? Where the most unexpected a few days back is a reality today , where mediocrity is an acceptable standard , where insanity is not sin , where common sense is Chinese.....

Yet another chapter in IFF's exceptional ability to screw up ....soon after I thought that there handling of Clemente's case was rather sensible.....Spoken too soon perhaps....back to normal chaos I suppose!

And to think that Ghotbi was recommended by a TECHNICAL COMMITTEE is simply a frightening thought. I swear that if they put a few of us as advisers , we would have done a much better job.......

Hey Doc , let's get ready for some action .....and give them some piece of our analytic minds.....what do you say ?

[zzgloo]

what should IFF do, if clemente was asking for more money ?

[Doctor DOOM]

what should IFF do, if clemente was asking for more money ?

ffs, give it to the man.
if he's agreed to stay for long periods in Iran, he deserves the hike in his salary as well.
we cant certainly afford double or triple of his salary.

we are NOT a poor nation.
oil is about $100 a barrel.
we seem to have increased the output to about 4 million barrels !
that makes it 400 million dollars.
during khatami, it was about $25-30, and he somehow managed to boost up the national reserves and actually buy bonds and other investments in europe which added to the nat'l treasury.
now, its price is at least 3 times that.


I think for a couple of months, hamas, hezbollah and other friendly kind-hearted terrorists can make do with 3% decrease in their monthly budget. just a couple of months.
that's all.
I'm sure they'll give us the permission to use that money to hire a coach.
wont they?

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majid jan, I'm just waiting to see finally who gets the post.
but I totally agree. some of these decisions coming out of IFF are absolutely immature and childish !

[zzgloo]

Here is what I guess is happenning :

1-Clemente, noticed, being denied by Iran, and for lack of commitment, is not good for his resume'.
2-clemente , opened the case again, so, if he does not get the job, at least,he would erase that commitment problem off his resume.
3-IFF, is delaying nameing the head coach, to have clemente, sign the new contract, and if he does not, at least,they would not look bad.
4-IFF has chosen Ghotbi for the job mean while, due to Ghotbi's salesmanship, and mastering the portfolio.
5- mean while, clemente, has applied for head coaching job with ecuador.
6- every body, has the secound plan !

[Doctor DOOM]

Here is what I guess is happenning :
1-Clemente, noticed, being denied by Iran, and for lack of commitment, is not good for his resume'.
2-clemente , opened the case again, so, if he does not get the job, at least,he would erase that commitment problem off his resume.

bahram jan, dorost zadi too fargh-e saresh ... too malajesh !
spot on.

he knows if he gets to be known as a coach who will coach ONLY if he sits at home, he wont be able to get any job any other time. and that is bad for anyone's resume/reputation.

u r right, bro.

[maij]

After some pause on the episode about Ghotbi and calming myself down..... I have a few things to say about this selection.

Perhaps IFF is becoming restless , under immense public pressure and running out of time. A typical situation where decisions are hastily made.

The urgency of appointing a coach is taking its toll on IFF administrators and they are making mistakes that perhaps they would not in a normal situation.

I am still extremely confused in which category or categories Ghotbi has deemed to be better that the rest of the candidates, unless there is more to meet the eyes or (Dasthaye poshte pardeh) are in action !!!!

Let us see ...
1- Ghotbi has a better track record in IPL that the rest
2- Ghotbi has championship pedigree , more than the competition.
3- Ghotbi has much more international experience than the rest as a coach
4- Ghotbi is much more familiar with the current Team Melli players , style , temperament , weaknesses , strength & discipline than the rest.
5- Ghotbi style of play and tactical ability is much more valuable and better suited for Team Melli versus the rest.


................CAN ANYONE FIND THESE ATTRIBUTES IN GHOTBI???

My second sets of thought is very simple.

We know what criterion this supposedly highly "Technical Committee " has set , how did they mark Ghotbi higher than the rest??? or are we all missing something???

No disrespect for the man , but Ghotbi needs to be in Perspolis leading them to the championship if he ever wants to get any type of credit as a club coach , let alone even thinking to be the national coach......But like I said, This is Iran....The land on wonders.

[zzgloo]

After some pause on the episode about Ghotbi and calming myself down..... I have a few things to say about this selection.

Perhaps IFF is becoming restless , under immense public pressure and running out of time. A typical situation where decisions are hastily made.

The urgency of appointing a coach is taking its toll on IFF administrators and they are making mistakes that perhaps they would not in a normal situation.

I am still extremely confused in which category or categories Ghotbi has deemed to be better that the rest of the candidates, unless there is more to meet the eyes or (Dasthaye poshte pardeh) are in action !!!!

Let us see ...
1- Ghotbi has a better track record in IPL that the rest
2- Ghotbi has championship pedigree , more than the competition.
3- Ghotbi has much more international experience that the rest as a coach 4- Ghotbi is much more familiar with the current Team Melli players , style , temperament , weaknesses , strength & discipline than the rest.
5- Ghotbi style of play and tactical ability is much more valuable and better suited for Team Melli versus the rest.


................CAN ANYONE FIND OF THESE ATTRIBUTES IN GHOTBI???

My second sets of thought is very simple.

We know what criterion this supposedly highly "Technical Committee " has sed , how did they mark Ghotbi higher than the rest??? or are we all missing something???

No disrespect for the man , but Ghotbi needs to be in Perspolis leading them to the championship if he ever wants to get any type of credit as a club coach , let alone even thinking to be the national coach......But like I said, This is Iran....The land on wonders.

hamshahri paper in an article, talked about how impresses the " Hayate entekhabi" was, after they saw the Ghotbi's portfolio !
among which, ghotbi talkes about his knowledge of kuwait and Syria, while being in the same group in last WC,Q, round with Korea, and details of these countries programs......
more over, he has set forward, the exact program he will be running,if he gets to becaome the head coach................something the domestic coaches knew little about, is how to look good on the paper !
His knowledge of english language, and asian Cup, and WCQ, were all plus, and his record with PP helped him as well.

[maij]

hamshahri paper in an article, talked about how impresses the " Hayate entekhabi" was, after they saw the Ghotbi's portfolio !
among which, ghotbi talkes about his knowledge of kuwait and Syria, while being in the same group in last WC,Q, round with Korea, and details of these countries programs......
more over, he has set forward, the exact program he will be running,if he gets to becaome the head coach................something the domestic coaches knew little about, is how to look good on the paper !
His knowledge of english language, and asian Cup, and WCQ, were all plus, and his record with PP helped him as well.

OK...so this is it.....ON PAPER!!

On paper , I can say with full confidence that I know about Syria, Kuwait and UAE more than Ghotbi can even think of...
My English is not bad , Arabic is perfect and Farsi is my mother tounge.

I have a long career in management (man management and project management) , I have a wealth of knowledge about international football , not just regional.

I have played football , was a Captain of my team and coached my College team , unfortunately I did not win any championship , but neither did Ghotbi..... So ,.......!!!!???

Undeniably , Ghotbi has lots of organizational skills because of his career with the Americans and the Koreans ....... all on paper , though.
He has not managed a decent team , apart from Perspolis , in his life , yet his credential is deemed to be higher than a coach like Jorge Arthur !!!

Hmmmm...... I need to change my mind-set...perhaps I was in sleep-mode all these years.

OH well.................. I only wish him success, that is about all one can say.

[gol_kuchik]

Ball is in IFF court:
http://football.guardian.co.uk/break...340961,00.html

Although we don't know what the story or decision making process with IFF is, at
least we can be sure the above has directly come from the man himself.

Fans: Be aware, AliAbadi must be held to account if the deal falls through, although
Kafashian should kiss it good bye as well.

[maij]

Ball is in IFF court:
http://football.guardian.co.uk/break...340961,00.html

Although we don't know what the story or decision making process with IFF is, at
least we can be sure the above has directly come from the man himself.

Fans: Be aware, AliAbadi must be held to account if the deal falls through, although Kafashian should kiss it good bye as well.

Somehow , I don't really believe that the accountability process works in Iran . especially where government agencies are concerned.

[BehzadB]

Somehow , I don't really believe that the accountability process works in Iran . especially where government agencies are concerned.

that is true and on the same token, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that the "difference of opinion" between AA and Kafashian (he wanted Dr. Z from among domestic coaches) prompted someone from Kafashian's side to contact Clemente in Spain again regarding this job to convince him to accept the written clause about his Vacation time but promised him much flexibility by the head of IFF....

I am not sure if we ever hear the whole truth about what went on, but I have read and heard and seen enough to conclude that Kafashian and AA don't exactly see eye to eye about this, but they don't want it to spill over into the Media.. (one has to read between the lines to sort of figure some things out, although vaguely)

[Ali Chicago]

OK...so this is it.....ON PAPER!!

On paper , I can say with full confidence that I know about Syria, Kuwait and UAE more than Ghotbi can even think of...
My English is not bad , Arabic is perfect and Farsi is my mother tounge.

I have a long career in management (man management and project management) , I have a wealth of knowledge about international football , not just regional.

I have played football , was a Captain of my team and coached my College team , unfortunately I did not win any championship , but neither did Ghotbi..... So ,.......!!!!???

Undeniably , Ghotbi has lots of organizational skills because of his career with the Americans and the Koreans ....... all on paper , though.
He has not managed a decent team , apart from Perspolis , in his life , yet his credential is deemed to be higher than a coach like Jorge Arthur !!!

Hmmmm...... I need to change my mind-set...perhaps I was in sleep-mode all these years.

OH well.................. I only wish him success, that is about all one can say.

You are one witty/cheeky/funny guy. Point taken.

[maij]

This is the unfortunate fact.....Lack of transparency.

Reading between the line , I still think that Aliabadi is still bitter about the way he was denied the candidacy of IFF and perhaps he is pulling a few strings to impose his wills on the running of IFF.

This is quite sad , but as any observer can tell you , the mentality of how Iran as a nation is being run is based on ideology rather than national interest. The government's insistence that ideology is the priority in every walk of life , including sport administration , is a recipe for disaster in the long run.

Read ideology in Iran as religion.

Looking at the modern world politics , we have seen umpteen times how governments who are run on purely ideological basis have failed politically and economically. I don't know how long the Iranian government will persist in ignoring national interest when it conflicts their ideology ...... but failure is a high probability especially when dealing with football which is globally controlled by FIFA.

[maij]

You are one witty/cheeky/funny guy. Point taken.

hehhehehee.... I wonder if that qualifies me to be a candidate for coaching Team Melli