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[gol_kuchik]

ok, more and more it seems like a face saving tactic for Clemente and IFF. According to the latest, Clemente will give his written (note all of the new announcement have been just verbal ) tongitht. But he has said in his most recent interview that he does not have to live in Iran, full time, which is the re-iteration of what he has said from day one. He was invited to Iran, so they could
change his mind and he went there knowing he does not want to live there.

This will let him say: "I refused the contract, as opposed to IFF refusing me".
(I hope I am wrong, but the evidence is just overwhelming).

Brace yourself for a domestic coach. AliAbadi, is a bigger snake than I thought he would
be, and Kafashian .....

[zzgloo]

It seems, Clemente believes, IFF has continualy persuaded him, and he says, they want to write down all in the contract, yet clemente, only wants verbal agreement, and does not want to quantify his days he stays in Iran.....
http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/f...o/1094961.html
he says he is nither optemistic,nor pessemistic.

[Ali Chicago]

hehhehehee.... I wonder if that qualifies me to be a candidate for coaching Team Melli

Hey, not many guys in the world know as much as you do about Iranian football, so get to work dadash. Establish a PR campaign in the papers, bribe a few, coach a few team, buy a fotoball analysis software and use "Gholombeh, Solombeh" words in English like Offensive and defensive tranistion, "Team Speed" and hey that will get you at least a coaching job in Azadeghan league.

As they used to say in old days in Iran "Shirinee Ma Faramoosh Nasheh"

[Doctor DOOM]

I think both parties would like to , at best, come out of it as the stronger party, and in the least save face and not look submissive.

there IS a better way to politically announce matters that neither side comes out as losers and still strike a compromise. This needs a level head and a half smart guy who says the rights words at the right places to the media on both sides.
that's all.
I dont see it such a difficult situation.

[maij]

Hey, not many guys in the world know as much as you do about Iranian football, so get to work dadash. Establish a PR campaign in the papers, bribe a few, coach a few team, buy a fotoball analysis software and use "Gholombeh, Solombeh" words in English like Offensive and defensive tranistion, "Team Speed" and hey that will get you at least a coaching job in Azadeghan league.

As they used to say in old days in Iran "Shirinee Ma Faramoosh Nasheh"

Ali Jan.... I lack an important ingredient.

"khaye malee"

On a serious note, though , and I dont intend to hijaak Faramarz Agha (Hajagha's thread) , we are perhaps putting far too much emphasis on the ability of the coaches.....

These people have no magic wands and hardly over-turn a fortune of a nation football if the basis and the structure is poor or non-existence.

In Ghotbi's case , I will not be too surprised if he can take the team to the next round......In fact even Ebrahimzadeh can do this ( or he should) in theory. It is beyond that stage that worries me.

[zzgloo]

I think, Clemente is " TOO " good for us !!!
Although he is the best we have ever had , on the paper, yet I do not see him signing , or if he signs, I do not see him staying in Iran long.
this guy, is too proffesional, and playing poletics, with us, he is after signing with Equador, as weel, and at same time, keeping Iran on his pocket...
he is too strong minded to last in Iran, even if he signs......he has no idea, what awaits him in Iran...but one thing is for sure................::
If, he fails with equador, and signs with Iran, he is going to resign very short while after, due to extrem damnds,that he would see unrealistic,and undeserved..........
we may as well, go with Ghotbi, and give him time, because he will not resign .

[maij]

I think, Clemente is " TOO " good for us !!!
Although he is the best we have ever had , on the paper, yet I do not see him signing , or if he signs, I do not see him staying in Iran long.
this guy, is too proffesional, and playing poletics, with us, he is after signing with Equador, as weel, and at same time, keeping Iran on his pocket...
he is too strong minded to last in Iran, even if he signs......he has no idea, what awaits him in Iran...but one thing is for sure................::
If, he fails with equador, and signs with Iran, he is going to resign very short while after, due to extrem damnds,that he would see unrealistic,and undeserved..........
we may as well, go with Ghotbi, and give him time, because he will not resign .

That is perhaps as close as I think on the situation except he part about Ghotbi......

[Doctor DOOM]

From the moment I read daei's contract is for ONE YEAR and there was talk of him staying up to the WC games, something was niggling in the back of my mind. it felt like there's something lurking in the shadows and the full picture is not exposed to us. something about the latest clemente deal didnt feel right and was amiss.
add Daei's initial reluctance to take the job. most probably borne out of recognition that he possibly will be out-matched by the next stage opponents. and rightfully so too. so for an intelligent and frankly calculating man that he is, it is rather rash to accept the tenure BEYOND the present stage of qualifiers ..... unless there was more to it that remains unknown to the rest of media, fans, .... .

call me what you want, but will I be tremendously surprised to one day wake up to see clemente signed as head coach with daei as assistant ? perhaps before the start of the 3rd stage of qualifiers?
NO.
I will NOT be that surprised.

maybe too much mystery novels. I dont know, but something doesnt feel right here.


I have the above mentioned points and this, to offer as supporting argument:
I think clemente asked for a much higher salary that caught IFF off guard. but I think kafashian is very serious about getting a foreign coach to amend for his initial screw ups. but not being sure of whether we'd qualify and advance to the next stage of WCQ's, they decided to play it safe. wait and see if TM advances with daei, and then bring in the pricier clemente.
this way they save at least 5-6 months worth of salaries in euros. also clemente will not have the upper hand as compared to now, when we find TM in dire straits and a difficult situation.
maybe IFF thinks once we qualify, they'll regain the upper hand in dealing with clemente ( or perhaps any other foreign choice ).

[Adesor Vafaseya]

maybe IFF thinks once we qualify, they'll regain the upper hand in dealing with clemente ( or perhaps any other foreign choice ).

thats also one thing I can draw from the whole picture. All a guess.

However, I dont think Daei will accept an assistant coach role (just my feeling) also assistant coaches usualy DO have Coaching Licenses. Head-coachs sometimes dont, but assistants do... Also now Daei being head-coach he will never go to a coaching class.... so all in all, I think daei is being locked to always be head-coach at whatever club or team.

If IFF is still after a foreign coach after initial stages, well thats not surprising, giving the repuation of IFF...
I am thinking of WCQ 98.... even before they sacked Mayeli Kohan, there were talks that if we go through they get a Brazilain coach, once the qualification was in danger, they sacked Mayeli Kohan before first play off versus Japan and brought in Viera.
Then we qualify, and they sack Viera to get Ivic.
Then typical IFF, bring Jalal Talebi as Technical Direcor next to Ivic, only to sack Ivic after he prepares the team for WC and get Talebi as head-coach

So all what I say is, with this federation and contract attitudes anything goes (at cost of our football!)

[zzgloo]

Clemente ,as far as we are concerened : Is Dead !!
he is gone, and we will never see him again.....too much BS with him, that either side can not forget.....
Yet, we came out with better credit than him, as it appears we dumped him,rather than he dumped us..
The next foerign coach, if any, will remmember that .

[Doctor DOOM]

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However, I dont think Daei will accept an assistant coach role (just my feeling) also assistant coaches usualy DO have Coaching Licenses. Head-coachs sometimes dont, but assistants do...


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Also now Daei being head-coach he will never go to a coaching class....

1- I am not sure if there is a LAW that states the assistants MUST have a license, especially if the head coach is licensed.


2- this statement may be true in case of many vatani coaches. but Daei is different from almost 90% of them.
he is educated and ambitious. his education has made him intelligent and calculating & less emotional. and no calculating man would take such risks. and they definitely will NOT let a couple of years of assistant-ship get in the way of their bigger goals, which knowing daei , will be YEARS of being the head coach of TM, after WC2010.


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and I agree with bahram on the point of who came off better in this tussle.
absolutely Iran came off better.
but is the clemente deal "DEAD" ? I'm not convinced yet.
I'll wait till the beginning of the next stage.

[zzgloo]

1- I am not sure if there is a LAW that states the assistants MUST have a license, especially if the head coach is licensed.


2- this statement may be true in case of many vatani coaches. but Daei is different from almost 90% of them.
he is educated and ambitious. his education has made him intelligent and calculating & less emotional. and no calculating man would take such risks. and they definitely will NOT let a couple of years of assistant-ship get in the way of their bigger goals, which knowing daei , will be YEARS of being the head coach of TM, after WC2010.


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and I agree with bahram on the point of who came off better in this tussle.
absolutely Iran came off better.
but is the clemente deal "DEAD" ? I'm not convinced yet.
I'll wait till the beginning of the next stage.

payman jaan : Three points :

1-Who would make the best as his assistant ?

2- Should he add more assisstants than before ?

3-Will, only,a very strong qualification to next round be enough to keep daei ? or , reletive success will do as well ?
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ps, last, but not least :

4- When will you get ride of that " DENIZELI ", endorsments ?

[Doctor DOOM]

1- If it's Daei you are asking about;
I dont know who can make his best assistant. but I hope he chooses someone with good amount of experience. which is a bit of a problem with Iranian culture, becoz the older fellows usually dont like to become assistants to younger coaches, unless they are desperate ( like ebrahimi , who became GN's and parvin's assistant ... mind you, the players whom he COACHED at TM !!! )

tough question, though.
but I sincerely hope he chooses KOMAASI as phys-trainer for the team. this one I am very particular about. am very happy with what he did with the lads for the AC07.


2- I dont know. in a way I think GN delegating different tasks to different ppl made sense. so I dont know what is the required NUMBER of assistants and if we shd increase or decrease it.


3- yet another tough question.
what if Daei comes off 5 straight wins in the next 5 games.
shd that justify him being the head coach for the next stage?
I am not sure. I still have doubts simply becoz of the disparity in quality of the opposition in this stage and the next one.
doing well against uae, syria and kuwait does NOT automatically mean you'd do well against japan, korea, ksa, .... etc.

4- NO. I will not. until I am certain there is no way IFF will bring him back. or that I see they sign a good foreign coach. ( I did remove it when we thought clemente was signed ). sorry bro.

[Adesor Vafaseya]

1- I am not sure if there is a LAW that states the assistants MUST have a license, especially if the head coach is licensed.

again, like you did before, you over-react reading my comments.
Where and when did I say "MUST"?

I said USUALY, not must!

anyway... I hope he selects a good coaching stuff with at least someone who has a a license

[Martin-Reza]

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