Are we open to call back guys like .... ?

[Doctor DOOM]

Just in case the new crop of forwards dont do the job.
I'm not saying lets remove them from the roster, as guys like khalili ( whose style has really captured my attention. especially his first-time attempts that is so european than iranian ) and meydavoodi.
even samereh has sort of kept hopes alive with his energetic displays.

but lets say we NEED some goals and these guys are not really answering our queries.
are we open to the call up of guys like enayati and even khatibi?

I, personally, am open and say why not.
if by the next game, none of the present strikers score, I'd say lets give khatibi and enayati at least some chances in the camps for the final 4-game-sprint.

[Martin-Reza]

Interesting question. Currently I wouldn't call them back because they showed they aren't really an asset to the team and playing for the bottom team of UAE is not quite making them more attractive. But generally every player has the chance to get back into the team with good club performances.

[Doctor DOOM]

I really think enayati was undone by the formation at AC07, more than his capabilities.

the problem started when VH threw his tantrum some years ago, about "coming to TM, but not getting game time" .... which resulted in him being a fixed starter no matter what !! .... which meant at AC07, he WAS the starter and since GN lost all his guts and nerves ( displayed in warm up and test games, by playing 4-4-2 or even 3-5-2 . note the two forward formation ) and suddenly did a 180 and reverted to 4-2-3-1 with a single forward formation.

that meant VH was the sole forward.
and not taking anything away from his energetic performance, but we saw VH didnt look very incisive and if I remember correctly, didnt score a single goal too !
now, while this was going on, enayati , whose best work has been when he was the CENTER FORWARD, was relegated to the LEFT wing.
I dont think we shd waste time going over why such posts reduce a center forward's usefulness to naught.

now, lets assume Mr. X takes over the coaching. and adopts a 2 man forward line. wouldnt enayati do better than what he did when out of position? I think so.
( irrespective of enayati's inclusion, I strongly say we shd have a 2 man forward line anyway, no matter whom we use )


now, I can see in the general forum, rampant with hormone-raging teenagers, reason means nothing. otherwise I'd have put the Q to them too.

[zzgloo]

payman jaan...this issue is similar to two other threads here on F+, ..one initiated by me : " An Idea for cnter forward ", and the other initiated by raginG infermo : " We do not need forwards "......
All togther, there some members such as raginginfermo, and maij who believe, we do not need forwards, just better game plans, and belive the lack of scoreing has noto do with shortage of forwards.....
and there are some like me, who believe, we are the thinest at the position, as far as talents .
As " Asghar Sharafi ", mentioned on VOA news, we should have thought of replacements for Daie when he was still playing... and it will take time to find a " FINISHER " . !
Football in some ways is similar to studing ,....as I remmember I was not any good at school while in Highschool, but when I got to go to university, I was one of the best !.........
what I mean, there may be some players whom may not act as they are any better, but given an upportunity,and experince, they can grow to something special, and even surprize themseleves.

[khabalood]

I would rather we give a chance to players in our U23 team before giving those older players a chance if our current strikers cannot get the job done.

[Doctor DOOM]

I absolutely agree on the context of trusting and giving chances to youngsters.
definitely.
that ought to be the long term goal.
we have amraei, mosalman, ansarifard added to the present khalili, meydavoodi, samereh, rajabzadeh batch.


but then again we may be in a position that we need IMMEDIATE results. say by game #3 or #4.
so that needs a short term plan. ppl who are READY.
what then?

[Martin-Reza]

I really think Enayati just doesn't have it. Khatibi, in absence of alternatives, was interesting as counter forward, but I think Kazemian, Meydavoudi and others are more interesting currently.

[Amin_]

Ok at least I can openly discuss this in here without people calling me biased n all that sh!t.

I really don't understand all this "Enayati/Khatibi" drama going on ever since the ACQ and after the AC.
Enayati is the best natural forward with a natural killers instinct we've had after Daei. You can't just become the all time league topscorer and aghayeh gol every year out of nothing, even if it's only IPL.

PLease let's be fair here, what proper chance has he been given in all those years at TM? And I'm not talking about 5-10 minutes every other match with our B-team. Despite that, he hasn't been aweful in the few minutes (keyword, not "matches") that he's been given in his TM career.

Moving to the AC, he assisted and scored some goals in our friendlies and worked his ass off and helped a lot in defence in every match! At the AC, he was forced to play out of his natural position. Still he wasn't that aweful and helped a lot with his constant pressing and running his loungs out.

Remember when Hashemian was forced to play out of position in TM, so that daei could play as the lone striker in the 4-2-3-1 system? It was obvious against Bahrain how uncomfortable he was in this new position. And here we're talking about an experienced "legionaire" who's been playing in Europe for so long

How come no one critisized Hashemian after the AC? From what I saw, he was playing at his own position and was a fixed player. How come everyone blamed Enayati (and Khatibi) for our "failure"?

Honestly, I think we needed scapegoats after the AC to turn our anger to, which was the reason many were so irrational.

To get to your question Peyman jaan, I think Enayati is still the best option to use for the center forward position. At this stage where we need to win and are desperately looking for goals, I'd prefer him at his own natural position, than the likes of Khalili/Samereh.

[Doctor DOOM]

amin has pointed out to a very valid matter.

but first we gotta accept our players are not the top professionals we see in europe. therefore we must NOT judge them by european standards and certainly not expect them to behave and react like those pros either.

which brings me to the matter:
our players need time to settle in with the team.
yeah yeah ... we can say they ought to do whatever they can with how much ever time they're given. but that's what happens in the ultra-professional EUROPE. not in Iran !
in fact among all Iranians, we have only one example to show for this kind of player: Kia. who took whatever few minutes he was given at HSV and made his point and cemented his position again. but that's becoz he has been playing in europe for 7-8 years now.
and I hope our players will become as pro as kia. but right now, they are not.
so lets not judge them by european standards.

so, a player needs time and needs to see the coach TRUSTS in him, so he can display his capabilities in a stress-free environment.
is this pampering? yes, if you're a european player.
but for an iranian player, this NEEDS to be done. coz we cant just wave our magic wand and expect our lads suddenly acquire a Nesta's or a VNR's attitude.

so all those guys who were given few minutes here, few minutes there will never be able to shine. simply becoz all the time they're worried about performing and that cripples them. there is truth to this being applied to sex as well. the more you're bothered about ur ... ahem ... "performance", the more things can go wrong.
and that is human nature.
you get stressed and even the simple passes or shots or .... dont look so simple anymore, becoz half of your brain is thinking about what the coach's thinking and what he wants and what he'll see .... etc.

another point is if these players are not placed in their correct posts, it obviously decreases their efficiency. as simple as that.

that's why we see so many players keep on saying "we need at least a couple of consecutive 90 minute games to be able to show what we're made of". I think that means they wont have the stress and worry of any moment being subbed out or being under the pressure to show something out of ordinary to finally impress the coach and earn his trust. something that the favorite players of a coach would NEVER FEEL. simply becoz they are guaranteed of their positions, no matter how much they f**k up !

rings a bell ?

[Ali Chicago]

Ok at least I can openly discuss this in here without people calling me biased n all that sh!t.
I really don't understand all this "Enayati/Khatibi" drama going on ever since the ACQ and after the AC.
Enayati is the best natural forward with a natural killers instinct we've had after Daei. You can't just become the all time league topscorer and aghayeh gol every year out of nothing, even if it's only IPL.
PLease let's be fair here, what proper chance has he been given in all those years at TM? And I'm not talking about 5-10 minutes every other match with our B-team. Despite that, he hasn't been aweful in the few minutes (keyword, not "matches") that he's been given in his TM career.
Moving to the AC, he assisted and scored some goals in our friendlies and worked his ass off and helped a lot in defence in every match! At the AC, he was forced to play out of his natural position. Still he wasn't that aweful and helped a lot with his constant pressing and running his loungs out.
Remember when Hashemian was forced to play out of position in TM, so that daei could play as the lone striker in the 4-2-3-1 system? It was obvious against Bahrain how uncomfortable he was in this new position. And here we're talking about an experienced "legionaire" who's been playing in Europe for so long
How come no one critisized Hashemian after the AC? From what I saw, he was playing at his own position and was a fixed player. How come everyone blamed Enayati (and Khatibi) for our "failure"?
Honestly, I think we needed scapegoats after the AC to turn our anger to, which was the reason many were so irrational.
To get to your question Peyman jaan, I think Enayati is still the best option to use for the center forward position. At this stage where we need to win and are desperately looking for goals, I'd prefer him at his own natural position, than the likes of Khalili/Samereh.

You see Amin jaan, we are dealing with human beings. Unfortunately with the human being most of the time there is this issue of perception vs. Reality. Enayati if brings water from the moon, has an uphill battle. Of course due to the pressue he feels to deliver for the few minutes that he plays in the TM his peroformance can't be optimal.

Enayati made enemies when he said that infamous quote "if they put my dead body in the game in WC I would have scored". I can understand his frustration of him and many other forwards in the Daie Era who didn't get a fair chance because daie was huggin the forward position (He had Branko's full support). So Enayati was frustrated and said something granted maybe unrealistic. After that, he made a lot of enemies that will put extra pressure on him to delvier in the TM. So it is a catch 22 for Enayti, he needs time and confidence (by playin the TM to delvier), but he doesn't get it and when he gets time, he can't deliver because he is under tremendous psychological pressure. Despite his super effort ( I don't forget how much he ran in all the AFC games that he was in the field), he hasn't been able to silence his critics and like I said it is a catch 22 for Enayati.

[Doctor DOOM]

so I guess it is a consensus that football is very much like sex.

you gotta relax, with no stress, to have fun and perform the best.
a world of truth to this.





I remember bahram started something like this a while ago.
I forgot what the topic was.
LOL.
what was it bahram? something that led to sex and sexual prowess ....

was it about our young players ? legioners? I forgot.

[zzgloo]

so I guess it is a consensus that football is very much like sex.

you gotta relax, with no stress, to have fun and perform the best.
a world of truth to this.





I remember bahram started something like this a while ago.
I forgot what the topic was.
LOL.
what was it bahram? something that led to sex and sexual prowess ....

was it about our young players ? legioners? I forgot.

we talked about, sexual starvation of our players is a handicap, compaire to european and south americans, who have relax mentalities through healthy sex life.
in another words, when " KARET GEER BASHEH<KHOOB BAZI NEMIKONI "

[Doctor DOOM]

AAahhh , yes yes. Now I remember.
LOL.

not that I agree, btw.
I still say a player's sexual needs is not exactly the top excuse for his under-performance.
it has some influence but is way down the list of factors dictating his performance.

( btw, elsewhere, oil prices just hit a new high : $100.88 !!!!! )

[RaginG Inferno]

Ok at least I can openly discuss this in here without people calling me biased n all that sh!t.
I really don't understand all this "Enayati/Khatibi" drama going on ever since the ACQ and after the AC.
Enayati is the best natural forward with a natural killers instinct we've had after Daei. You can't just become the all time league topscorer and aghayeh gol every year out of nothing, even if it's only IPL.
PLease let's be fair here, what proper chance has he been given in all those years at TM? And I'm not talking about 5-10 minutes every other match with our B-team. Despite that, he hasn't been aweful in the few minutes (keyword, not "matches") that he's been given in his TM career.
Moving to the AC, he assisted and scored some goals in our friendlies and worked his ass off and helped a lot in defence in every match! At the AC, he was forced to play out of his natural position. Still he wasn't that aweful and helped a lot with his constant pressing and running his loungs out.
Remember when Hashemian was forced to play out of position in TM, so that daei could play as the lone striker in the 4-2-3-1 system? It was obvious against Bahrain how uncomfortable he was in this new position. And here we're talking about an experienced "legionaire" who's been playing in Europe for so long
How come no one critisized Hashemian after the AC? From what I saw, he was playing at his own position and was a fixed player. How come everyone blamed Enayati (and Khatibi) for our "failure"?
Honestly, I think we needed scapegoats after the AC to turn our anger to, which was the reason many were so irrational.
To get to your question Peyman jaan, I think Enayati is still the best option to use for the center forward position. At this stage where we need to win and are desperately looking for goals, I'd prefer him at his own natural position, than the likes of Khalili/Samereh.

Thank you. You raise great points.

[Doctor DOOM]

now, this will be a very interesting matter to observe.

consider the following facts :

1- what enayati said about his corpse being able to score against mexico. which makes chances of ppl like enayati less.

2- TM's lack of scoring goals. which makes chances of ppl like enayati more.

3- enayati not exactly alien to scoring goals, even with his present form. which makes chances of ppl like enayati more.

4- daei's probable tendency to show "bygones are bygones" and not involve personal clashes and sparks of the past in his present decision making at TM, which makes the chances of ppl like enayati more.

5- Daei's apparent affinity to use younger players, which makes chances of ppl like enayati less.

6- ... etc.

mixing up all the above, makes for a ........... mother flogging head ache, and a trip to "confusion city" ! LOL.
most of it for poor daei !!