Are we obsessed with the ability of a coach?

[zzgloo]

Ali e aziz...................
May be you are going about this kaz issue, the wrong way...............
Although, if I ever see PFDC ban you...............I will consider leaving the site as well, because, this site without quality members such as you is not worth being part of................But, before I do that, I would give PFDC chance to explain itself.Thier side, and thier policies, and thier back ground to the issue. ,also, these mods here are like us, they also make mistake....the point we should look at, is that they do not do it in a consistant manner.
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As you said, back to the issue........
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You ali, Payman jaan, and hajagha e aziz, make many valid points, and to clarify for payman : I think, we are talking about , what , and how best Iranian Football can improve......and wether, the importance of the Head coaching job is over blown .
We all know about, the system, the short comeings, bad inferstruture, bad manegement, the culture, etc, etc,etc........and we have often talked about all of them here......
We also know, we can not do much about the majority of important issues related to football improvement,yet, .............being 7 mounths, without the head coach, and the major fiasco about it , IFF selections, and finding the coach, etc,etc.....it is not a out of norm to talk about it, and as " martin-reza" said in another thread, This coaching issue, is getting more exciting than most football games we have seen recently !..may be talking about anything els at this moment would be out of place.
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16 team out of 32 teams in the WC, had foerign coaches...........in the whole world, when a team is not doing well, all eyes is toward the coach.....we all have lots of aspirations for TM, and we promised ourseleves to do much better when we were loseing to Purtugal in last WC..............
I do not see any " Obssesion haji jaan.............., we are doing what we can, through what is possible in the syber space !

[Doctor DOOM]

I think this encapsulates the essence of this "obsession with coach" issue.

.......in the whole world, when a team is not doing well, all eyes is toward the coach.....

precisely.
whether it is fair or unfair, fans and ppl turn their focus towards the coach at any failure. no matter which country or how strong/weak they are.
so it is a major enough issue that merits some obsession and extra attention.

[Hajagha]

I think this encapsulates the essence of this "obsession with coach" issue.
precisely.
whether it is fair or unfair, fans and ppl turn their focus towards the coach at any failure. no matter which country or how strong/weak they are.
so it is a major enough issue that merits some obsession and extra attention.

[Doctor DOOM]

but are you refuting the coach's immeasurable influence in football?

if you're not convinced by what bahram said about the inevitability of the coach being held responsible for success and more importantly, the failures of a team, then at least accept a coach HAS the power to effect major changes in teams like ours.

once again, nobody's saying that will rectify or solve the other problems and shortcomings. but it sure helps to have at least one facet of our football covered. better something than nothing.

[maij]

Haji Jan..... Ein harfa ma salhat ke mizanim....For years I have said that people are over-estimating the power and effectiveness of a coach.

If it was a simple formula that the best coach in the World would bring accolades and championship for a club or a nation, countries such as Emirates or Saudi Arabia would have been World Champions.

[Hajagha]

Haji Jan..... Ein harfa ma salhat ke mizanim....For years I have said that people are over-estimating the power and effectiveness of a coach.

If it was a simple formula that the best coach in the World would bring accolades and championship for a club or a nation, countries such as Emirates or Saudi Arabia would have been World Champions.

[Hajagha]

but are you refuting the coach's immeasurable influence in football?

if you're not convinced by what bahram said about the inevitability of the coach being held responsible for success and more importantly, the failures of a team, then at least accept a coach HAS the power to effect major changes in teams like ours.

once again, nobody's saying that will rectify or solve the other problems and shortcomings. but it sure helps to have at least one facet of our football covered. better something than nothing.

[zzgloo]

FIFA penalized IFF for one foundemental policy........
" Football must be independent "....................
true, culture influnces football,.....government influences football,.....economy influences football................., even religon influences football......etc,...................
But, FIFA says, it is an international language, and should be kept indepedent !!!!.........................WHY ?
Because, it believes, it has a stronger massage to the world unity than ,religon or poletic or economy does.......it unites people of the world.
Angola has problems, Ivory coact has problems, tunesia has problem......for God's sake Iraq has problems.........................Now, do you want to know about effect of Iraqi players bombed houses and murdered reletives ?..or do you want to know about thier spirit ,with the help of the Brazilian coach, who ,true as it may be,did not think Iraqies problems is an handicap for Iraqies aspirations ?......
the fact of the mater is, we in the football society are not in any position to change systems............, what foerign coaches of african teams did, is to minimize the importance of social problems,and maximize human equalities.
We remind ourseleves, that if we are not going to take a weapon, and fight against the governement...and if we are not going to advance a religon or cultural renusaunce........., we better stick to our football, and get all the help we can to do as good a job as those who have it the best . ....thats all we can do, and thats what FIFA suggests !
We need to do the best we can, despite of all other problems, and finding a good coach is a major, possible and realistic step in that direction.

[Doctor DOOM]

reza jan, even those patients with stroke WILL GET a fresh pair of pants.
no one will say oh, he's got a major heart condition, so we dont need to attend to other lesser aspects of patient care.


we did have such a debate some time ago and I did say some of us think we shd not hold off everything else jt becoz we dont have the right foundation and lots of shortcomings.
we can and shd attack our needs on multiple levels, parallel to each other.

otherwise, if we are to wait for these bastards at IRI to attend and correct all our basic infrastructural needs, then we've got to have an immortal's life span!

[Hajagha]

FIFA penalized IFF for one foundemental policy........
" Football must be independent "....................
true, culture influnces football,.....government influences football,.....economy influences football................., even religon influences football......etc,...................
But, FIFA says, it is an international language, and should be kept indepedent !!!!.........................WHY ?
Because, it believes, it has a stronger massage to the world unity than ,religon or poletic or economy does.......it unites people of the world.
Angola has problems, Ivory coact has problems, tunesia has problem......for God's sake Iraq has problems.........................Now, do you want to know about effect of Iraqi players bombed houses and murdered reletives ?..or do you want to know about thier spirit ,with the help of the Brazilian coach, who ,true as it may be,did not think Iraqies problems is an handicap for Iraqies aspirations ?......
the fact of the mater is, we in the football society are not in any position to change systems............, what foerign coaches of african teams did, is to minimize the importance of social problems,and maximize human equalities.
We remind ourseleves, that if we are not going to take a weapon, and fight against the governement...and if we are not going to advance a religon or cultural renusaunce........., we better stick to our football, and get all the help we can to do as good a job as those who have it the best . ....thats all we can do, and thats what FIFA suggests !
We need to do the best we can, despite of all other problems, and finding a good coach is a major, possible and realistic step in that direction.

I didn't quite get what would be your argument here. I didn't mention to kiss a big goodbye to football because we have other problems.

I think with all due respect, your argument is irrelevant.

Cheers,

[Hajagha]

reza jan, even those patients with stroke WILL GET a fresh pair of pants.
no one will say oh, he's got a major heart condition, so we dont need to attend to other lesser aspects of patient care.
we did have such a debate some time ago and I did say some of us think we shd not hold off everything else jt becoz we dont have the right foundation and lots of shortcomings.
we can and shd attack our needs on multiple levels, parallel to each other.
otherwise, if we are to wait for these bastards at IRI to attend and correct all our basic infrastructural needs, then we've got to have an immortal's life span!

While you change the pants, make sure you don't give a tump up to the patient relateves that he (Patient)
doing fine and will be fine by changing the wet pants though.

[zzgloo]

I didn't quite get what would be your argument here. I didn't mention to kiss a big goodbye to football because we have other problems.
I think with all due respect, your argument is irrelevant.
Cheers,

It Is ?........
So what do you suggest to do, that is ,more important than, finding a good head coach ?.............
please , be specific , and realistic .

[Hajagha]

It Is ?........
So what do you suggest to do, that is ,more important than, finding a good head coach ?.............
please , be specific , and realistic .

[perspolees]

let me repeat what I have said for teh past 5 years on this board

in khar mire yeki dige miyad

and until we do not have the basics, a this or a that coach for tm is immaterial

it does matter at youth level but not tm

and tm be my witness under this or that coach we are teh same old crap !


most importantly:
Show me one example where currently a decent footballing country brought in a great coach before they had pitches that they could play football on or before they were able to put up a schedule!!! one example and then I would say OK we can follow suit but hey just to walk around and fart and say we are goingto be the first nation to make it with the coach factor is just o well typical iranina thing a big fart and no thoughtfullness...

[gol_kuchik]

Are we obsessed with the ability of a coach?

To objectively for anyone to answer this, they should point to a period of time when we
DID have a quality coach (for TM), then point at the other times we didn't and show it makes
no difference, or not a huge difference.

What we do know, is that our biggest achievements have come as a result of
some quality in coaching: Latest example is Bonacic. But even Bonacic I will not
categorize as tier 1 World Class.

So I am afraid we can all discuss and discuss how effective or ineffective a world
class coach would be, that simply means we dont appreciate and understand the
type of planning, organization, discipline and motivation a quality coach can bring to
IFF which clearly lacks in all these areas.

In the meantime you can enjoy your selection of Ghotbi/GN/Mayle Kodan or whoever
AliAbadi tries to assign to TM.