اخراج ملي پوشان به خاطر گيتار و اتومبيل آل

[zzgloo]

Well, Bahram Jaan, what did you expect? Indocternation of people through mass media, and kids from first grade all the way to University, inflaction, lowering the life standards, high rate of divorce (all are gifts of IRI to Iranians). So I won't be surprised if after all the indocternatiuon of the kids throughout the educational system, the new generation is much more religious and stuff.
As far political non-conformisem I wouldn't say it is dead, remember the 16 Teer a few years ago? Still regime is arresting oppositon groups and to some degee tolerates the oppositions papers. There aren't days that they dont' arrest students in the universities in Iran.
Points is IRI dictatorship killed and executed a lot of political activist and for a while pushed back the opposition against IRI, but despite the set backs, IRI was never able to kill that spirit in Iran.
This spirit can't be killed no matter how harsh the dictatorship acts, since this opposition is rooted in basic issues of a Iranian society that one way or another needs to be addressed (democratic government, some sort of social justice, rule of rationalisem, freedom of speech, etc, etc.)

Ali jaan................I did not say, poletical non-conformism is dead, I said: " poletical non-conformism is dead " in football ' "" !
You are right, as non-conformism is alive and kicking, and there is no shortage of intelectuals !, and poletical activists !.......
But, could we conclude that, there are no intelectuals among the football players ??!!
Inside iran, things are indeed strange......in one hand , you see some old friends talk aginst the system, but on the other hand, you see them praying the daily " Namaz", and do the " Roozeh "......
In one hand, you see young boys drink alcohol, and go after ****ing around, in another hand, you see , in the back pocket of thier blue jeans, they carry the " Lam yakat " card !!!...........
I do not know how to judge them .

[Ali Chicago]

Ali jaan................I did not say, poletical non-conformism is dead, I said: " poletical non-conformism is dead " in football ' "" !
You are right, as non-conformism is alive and kicking, and there is no shortage of intelectuals !, and poletical activists !.......
But, could we conclude that, there are no intelectuals among the football players ??!!
Inside iran, things are indeed strange......in one hand , you see some old friends talk aginst the system, but on the other hand, you see them praying the daily " Namaz", and do the " Roozeh "......
In one hand, you see young boys drink alcohol, and go after ****ing around, in another hand, you see , in the back pocket of thier blue jeans, they carry the " Lam yakat " card !!!...........
I do not know how to judge them .

Football players becoming involved in the social issues is a function of overall social movement in the country. For example in 54-55 you saw the Gheeleech, Lavasani case. After reveloution many of the footbalist got involved in politics as well. So when there is a strong opposition footbalists as a portion of the society get involved as well.

Having said that, I see your point that now becaue of so called professioanal football and the huge amount of money involved these players are from a different breed than so called amature playes. That is a very vaild point.

[zzgloo]

Football players becoming involved in the social issues is a function of overall social movement in the country. For example in 54-55 you saw the Gheeleech, Lavasani case. After reveloution many of the footbalist got involved in politics as well. So when there is a strong opposition footbalists as a portion of the society get involved as well.
Having said that, I see your point that now becaue of so called professioanal football and the huge amount of money involved these players are from a different breed than so called amature playes. That is a very vaild point.

today, march 13 ,friday, on the USA TODAY news paper, it said, ....the cuban soccer team ( under 23 ) whom were playing for the qualifications , and beat USA ( under 23 ) 1-0 in miami, two days ago.......seven players requested for poletical asylem, and refused to go back to Cuba !!
................I guess, our youth, in Iran, are just happy enough to be in Iran.