Iran - bahrain test game

[Doctor DOOM]

Before anything I must say this result shd not be taken all that seriously. Had it been an offcial game I'm sure the team would have been a totally different team.
But ignoring the result does NOT mean ignoring problems in various aspects of the the team and game. Afterall these tests games are there for us to notice and find problematic areas and try to rectify them.

I didnt watch the first 30 minutes of the game so I wont comment on that. but the final 60 minutes have a few issues needing discussion.


1- most importantly I hope our officials at IFF will NEVER EVER agree or try to arrange a test game with bahrain again.
these animals belong to a cage, not football field.
I'm sorry, but no matter how many times I try to say we shd forget the past or perhaps hope for a different attitude from them, I'm let down by reality !

these maggots truly belong to cages, tranquilized and restrained. and I suggest AFC , instead of checking/testing for illegial drug like steroids, they shd check them for RABIES.
I MEAN IT.

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2- the goal.
apart from the mistakes made which led to the corner, I must express my shock over a very rudimentary and basic matter in such situations.

it is coaching 1 O 1 that you shd protect your posts on corners. ALL over the world we see coaches keep two players on each post guarding them. for what? are they mad? are they insane?
NO. becoz they allow for such cases that we saw today: opponent pouncing on a ball, keeper missing it and the ball passing next to the second post. the post which shd have been guarded by a player.
screw the result, we made a SILLY ( and absolutely avoidable ) MISTAKE in letting that ball in !!!

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3- I have no idea how many games we've played using the god forsaken 4-2-3-1 formation. but for gid's sake ENOUGH ! PLEASE.
How many times are we trying to force something into our football that simply doesnt fit in ????
at least not yet and not until our clubs adopt it and master it BEFORE THE TM APPLIES IT.
for something to be so persisted upon, one shd have some acceptable evidence that it works. NO? why are we insisting on this cursed and sh*tty formation? based on what success rate?


single forward, again?
he was swarmed all the time and yet we didnt see any change in formation.

well, I thought with meydavoodi coming in, we'd see a two man forward line.
HEH ! fat f**king chance !!
meydavoodi moved into midfield !

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4- another game where we wasted ample opportunities in corners and set pieces !
some of them were quite horrible !
look. if our coaches believe set pieces are not worth planning on, why take them and waste our time in the first place?
we shd , as soon as the ref calls a corner or a free kick, graciously and QUICKLY hand over the ball to the opponents.
maybe we'll get the fifa fair play award again !

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5- in the portions that I saw, until madanchi came in, the ONLY ( patheitc, no? ) long ranger I saw came from ando ... which wasnt even goal-bound !!
that's it.
and seeing this, I'm willing to bet in the first 30 minutes, at best we'd have seen one more shot !
anyone?

and then madanchi comes in and immediately creates two excellent dangerous opportunities , one hitting the post, the other forcing a major save.

shdnt our coaches understand there are such "alien & strange" matters in football, such as SHOOTING ?
why shd we wait for 75 minutes to see a long ranger shot on target ?
why?

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6- Now, to some players.

ANDO -
the guy is not in form. we all have seen it and his last game in eufa cup underlines that FACT.
yes, he did some rather surprising interceptions to be fair. but I'm sure even Maziar ZAREH could have done so as well. but what ando brough in was his lacklustre passing, his irritable attitude and finally, a red card that we shd have seen it coming a mile away.
bad choice to start with.
but then again, our football is PLAGUED with the absolute pathetic unwritten rule that european legioners must start games, no matter how crappy their form is !! it's been like this for 3-4 years now !!!!! after VH's immature childish temper tantrum !
thank you Mr. hashemian for this valuable gift to our football.


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BENGAR -
well , this is more an issue of AGHILI, than bengar.
I like bengar and believe he is one of our better defenders. and deserves to be called up. but when we have Aghili in the team, starting with bengar who makes way too many fauls around the 18, is not very wise.
anyone still wants to defende dropping Aghili for such an utterly STUPID excuse of missing a couple of days' training?

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EBRAHIM SADEGHI -
yes, he played better than his sub-par game in saipa. BUT even this didnt deserve to give him the edge over a player like JABBARI , who came in with some REALLY nice passes in the few minutes he was given.
so why persist with sadeghi .... for so long ? even longer than karimi, who played far better than sadeghi ?


.... which brings me to another issue :
SAIPA players.

If I'm not mistaken, the player who took over after Kaabi was subbed out is from saipa. right?
they guy was absolutely useless !
in fact with kaabi subbed out, we saw a clear & palpable weakening of our right side in both defense and offense.
heh. "offesne" ? that was a joke !!!

I HAVE TO question daei's reasoning for subbing kaabi out, karimi out instead of sadeghi, and persisting with out of form khalili.


THE ONLY explanation I can imagine for such subbing and formation is :
A) Daei may have been trying to keep his TRUE starting line up against kuwait hidden from observers.

and

B) seeing the barbarian rabid mongrel dogs of the opposing team, he decided to prevent injury to some of his main players ( kaabi, karimi who suprisingly did very well, ... )

that's all I can come up with. I just cant think any logical reason for the formation and subbings but the above-mentioned.


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having said all that, I still think we'll do well against kuwait.
I just hope these two games SERVE Daei properly in his learning curve and perhaps be the reason for further changes in TM's football.

[Paradigm]

And lest not forget that Bahrain is the one team in Asia that knows exactly how to play Iran. TM has always had a very difficult time with them. I predict the Kuwait game will be a bit better but still the goal scoring problems remain. It looks like there is nobody to fill in the vacuum left by Daie and Hashemian's exit from the team. Also I hope Daie will use Mobali in the next game.

[Ali Chicago]

The game was so depressing that I missed parts of it due to phone calls and stuff at work. But our offense was just horrid. We couldn't maintain in the Bahrain's offensive thrid for say 6 consecutive passes. No switching the point of attack. Nothing. Khalili wasn't good, but I dont' blame him, our three midfielder Nikki, Karimi, Shojai were so far from him.

I blame this in part on syed Jalal Hosseini playing and staying so back in defense. This guy keeps the defense line way back, cause he knows he doesn' have speed for balls behind him. So as a result, Ando and Sadeghi stayed behind. As a result our remining 4 players Nikki, Karimi, Shojai, Khalili had to cover a lot of grounds. In earlier days, Gol Mohammaid was doign the same thing in the TM. As a matter of fact, this is exactly what happened inthe Mexico game in the WC 2006. Since Gol Mohammadi stayed back so did Ando stayed behind. This left our middle totally unprotected, it left the middle for Nekooname to fight for against Mexicans. Combine this with a slow Daie that wasn't able to pressure Markez and Mexico's defense. Mexico defense joined the attach as well and totally outnumbered Nekoonam. This is how we lost the Mexico game right through the middle. Today Sadeghi and Ando played way back (same problem as mexico's game due to a different defender staying back).

Shojai for the right midfield (didn't do a good job on defensive duties).

Kaabi, Ando underpeoformed.

Mr. Daie needs time to mold the team in his own image I guess (like any other coaches) and this is totally unfair to blame it all on him. But unfortuantely for Mr. Daie, I am afriad that is exactly what Mr. Daie doesn't have right now "TIME". If god forbid we don't do well against Kuwait (a good result will be tough, since we play away), all kind of side shows will appear around TM. I hope we do well in Kuwait due to the talent of our players and good coaching of Mr. Daie, so TM get's more breathing room.

[mkbf2]

Kaebi I thought performed on level but Ando definitely was not himself.

The announcers were talking about motivation. I saw no motivation. Everyone was so confused the first 15 minutes.

What was the deal with the free kicks? All on the ground? WTF!!

[Doctor DOOM]

having watched the first 30 minutes that I initially missed, I must add:

1- mashalah karimi.
the guy played very well and beyond my expectations. If he continues to play like this, I wouldnt mind having him fixed in the team for a long time. as long as he sustains it.

But his best work was when he was in the vicinity of the 18. and again, I am reminded of the option we dont use: using karimi as the second forward behind a center forward type like samereh, enayati, .... .
( which means daei has to accept this moronic formation 4-2-3-1 is NOT working for the team and adopts 4-4-2 )


2- and by pushing karimi forward, we make way for JABBARI to take over the command of the midfield.
I think with one stroke we can optimize all the necessary ingredients for a team to score goals .... and plenty of it, at that.



3- My good god, I just noticed we had niki playing the game the whole time !!!! it was as if he wasnt playing at all !!!
it's like we were playing w 10 men ( and after ando's exit, NINE MEN !!!!!! )
anyone wants to explain why he remained in the pitch after the first half?
had Daei brought in madanchi, we'd have seen a very different game.


4- God Daaaaammnn. that was some brainless set piece planning and kicking. wasnt it?
I'm sure even Nepal and Maldives will have done better at this many chances than us !!!



5- and yet again, I was subjected to watch 30 minutes more of these father-less maggots and scumbags !! MY GOD WHY DO WE PLAY THEM willingly ? WHY ? WHY ?

the only saving grace is that in an official game ( if the ref is not an arab ) , the ref would have handed yellow cards to 6-7 bahraini scum sucking worms and maybe a red card or two by the end of the game.



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btw, I very much would love to know what HUMAN jan thinks of this formation ... not in relation to a team like arsenal or france, but to IRAN and IRANIAN PLAYERS we have available at TM's disposal.

do the staff really think this formation works?
and if yes, based on what data and experience?

maybe a little explanation would help clear things for us as to why we have been insisting on this formation for so many years now.

[yashar_fasihnia]

bekhoda heyfe bazikonayi mesle zandi, kazemian, asadi and kazemi who are being left out and jabbari on the bench for the likes of ebrahim sadeghi, nikbakht, khalili!!

[zzgloo]

1- most importantly I hope our officials at IFF will NEVER EVER agree or try to arrange a test game with bahrain again.
these animals belong to a cage, not football field.
I'm sorry, but no matter how many times I try to say we shd forget the past or perhaps hope for a different attitude from them, I'm let down by reality !
these maggots truly belong to cages, tranquilized and restrained. and I suggest AFC , instead of checking/testing for illegial drug like steroids, they shd check them for RABIES.
I MEAN IT.

Bahrain, is a neighbor country, and a force in the Asian football !
We, like it or not , are going to see lots of " Bahrain " in future of our football.
what you are suggesting, is not solution to anything, nor is it logical.
We must, learn to deal with them, and there is no way around it.

[Hajagha]

Almost all of them are out of shape. The game was dead after 60 minutes.

We are expereincing the weakest period of TM era in the last 14 years since 1994. there is no big star, no running, no motivation, no team-work, no chemistry, no future. It`s so pathetic.

Too bad Daei put his name on these pathetic players.

[Doctor DOOM]

bahram jan, what I said was lets not ask or accept test games with them.

of course, in official games we have no choice but to play them. but when it comes to "friendlies" ( "friendly" my arse !!!! ), we just decline.
we dont need to get unnecessarily injured over such a useless game that had little use for us unfortunately due to the nature of it !!
- did you see how they tackled ando right at the beginning of the game? no wonder ando was like a high-strung tension wire for the whole game!
- did you see how that son of a whore-dog #14 hit kaabi's face with his boots ?
- did you see how they tackled and hit our players even AFTER the ref had blown the whistle ?
from the start of the game they set this mood and brought in issues that didnt need t be brought in. we wanted a chance to test players and tactics and ... and all we got was stress and possible injuries !!

we DONT NEED THAT CRAP.

there's something SERIOUSLY wrong with these players and I dont see any reason , anymore, to play these maggots willingly.

we want to get used to playing arabs ( and I agree, we shd coz it'll serve us better ), we can play the likes of kuwait, uae, ... who still do apply dirty tactics, but not to THIS EXTENT and not this violently. and by god, certainly not in FRIENDLY games at least.

[khabalood]

I also think this game against Bahrain should have never happened. It was a complete waste. For Bahrain this game was used to physically attack irani players, and we could not expect anything from the ref either...as always. If the goal of IFF was to get our players tenderized by the Bahrainis they succeeded. Beyond that it is impossible to play football against a team like Bahrain especially in Bahrain. Moreover, when our team is at its weakest point it just doesn't make any sense to play a major rival, who we know will cheat to get a win over us. If the situation is really that bad that we can't get a game against a real national football team (and not those animals) I would rather tm play traktorsazi. Bottom line is we should never play Bahrain outside of official games, and we should do our best to play non-arab teams in the future.

[zzgloo]

bahram jan, what I said was lets not ask or accept test games with them.

of course, in official games we have no choice but to play them. but when it comes to "friendlies" ( "friendly" my arse !!!! ), we just decline.
we dont need to get unnecessarily injured over such a useless game that had little use for us unfortunately due to the nature of it !!
- did you see how they tackled ando right at the beginning of the game? no wonder ando was like a high-strung tension wire for the whole game!
- did you see how that son of a whore-dog #14 hit kaabi's face with his boots ?
- did you see how they tackled and hit our players even AFTER the ref had blown the whistle ?
from the start of the game they set this mood and brought in issues that didnt need t be brought in. we wanted a chance to test players and tactics and ... and all we got was stress and possible injuries !!

we DONT NEED THAT CRAP.

there's something SERIOUSLY wrong with these players and I dont see any reason , anymore, to play these maggots willingly.

we want to get used to playing arabs ( and I agree, we shd coz it'll serve us better ), we can play the likes of kuwait, uae, ... who still do apply dirty tactics, but not to THIS EXTENT and not this violently. and by god, certainly not in FRIENDLY games at least.

Payman Jaan........
When we tried to play Mexico, we all wanted, how is it to beat them, as to find out thier system, and find the way,that would be anti-thier system....
there is nothing wrong with that !, Is it ?
And that is what Bahrain has done !, founded out a way, to frustrate Iranians, and they succeeded....to the extend, that even, you suggest we should stay away from them..........
that is wrong..........we also need to find the way, to beat them back !and that is the only honoreble , and correct way, if we realy think we are better.

[Doctor DOOM]

I think you didnt read my post or perhaps I didnt put it correctly.

I DID say we need to get used to the typical arab football that uses all sorts of underhand tactics to frustrate us. we can play the likes of qatar, uae, oman, ... to get used to this and develop a mentality that blocks all this crap.

but as you've seen, bahrain's case is a different one. these mongrel dogs behave like rabid animals EVEN IN FRIENDLY GAMES ( I did point out a few of the occasions ) ! even qatar or uae or ... dont resort to such animalistic displays so intensely and so frequently !
the crux of the issue is that we dont need to risk injury and more over a friendly game that will NOT serve ANY purpose, becoz these maggots turn a test ground to a battle ground of nerves !
it's purely useless to us.


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and anyway, bahram jan, there will be a chance to see this match-up again under official circumstances, afterall.
they are in japan's group and 2 other weaker teams and chances are they will advance along w japan for the final round.
who knows. maybe they will fall in Iran's group.

but THAT IRAN will be a very different team from yesterday's.
very VERY different.

[zzgloo]

All I know, Bahrain, did not get more yellow cards, or red cards than we did .In fact,it was taimoorian who got ejected, and not any bahraini.......
So, they are not doing anything illigal, or anything, not seen in the history of football......and they are going to be on our path,for forseeable future.....
We, need to find out what is it they do,and counter that........ avoiding them is not the solution.

[Doctor DOOM]

bahram jan, I really wonder if you watched the game , and if you noticed it was supposed to be a "FRIENDLY" game.
I also wonder if you'd be still saying this if for an example, kaabi had come off with a broken jaw bone or cheek bone or god forbid, worse.

as for the number of yellows and overall fouls and cards issue, I leave it to your conscience and maybe other members to discuss the matter. perhaps others can explain the matter more eloquently.

and we KNOW THIS IS WHAT THEY DO ... even if it's supposed to be a "friendly" test game. I really believe the gist/thrust of my statements ( no need playing bahrain ) was totally missed !!

[zzgloo]

bahram jan, I really wonder if you watched the game , and if you noticed it was supposed to be a "FRIENDLY" game.
I also wonder if you'd be still saying this if for an example, kaabi had come off with a broken jaw bone or cheek bone or god forbid, worse.

as for the number of yellows and overall fouls and cards issue, I leave it to your conscience and maybe other members to discuss the matter. perhaps others can explain the matter more eloquently.

and we KNOW THIS IS WHAT THEY DO ... even if it's supposed to be a "friendly" test game. I really believe the gist/thrust of my statements ( no need playing bahrain ) was totally missed !!

when we were going to play mexico, there was so much talk about, analysing the USA games as they had good successful games against Mexico....
What if, the Kuwait's head coach, decieds to do they same, with Bahrain game analysis ?.....
Do n't we need to get over this bump ?......
If, bahrain has found out a gap in our system, and succeeding with it,...do n't we need to figure that out ?
Should n't we in fact, ask to play them, to show we are not afaird and want to solve it ?
Is n't Bahrain strong enough Asian team to qualify to be our worm up team in Asia ?
Do n't we need to figure out a game plan, against , growning number of teams, who play negative against us ?
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I am usualy in trust of your judjment payman jaan...........but not this time.