Should Daei invite Karim Bagheri to TM??

[KasraKhan]

After watching the heavily heated and important PP-SS derby, it became clear to me, that the best player on the pitch, the smartest player on the pitch, the best decision maker on the pitch, was none other than our ever young Karim Bagheri.

We can not over look this simple fact. Both Persepolis and Esteghlal are still the two most significant pillars of our football, and still, to this day, a majority of TM players come from Esteghlal and Persepolis. In this tenacious derby, where our 2 biggest, best, and richest clubs play each other, and one player emerges as the best player in the derby, does he not deserve to be in the national team? If players like Jabbari, Badamaki, Khalili, Sheys Rezaei, etc. are invited, then why not Karim Khan who was head and shoulders above all of them?

I am aware that Karim Khan has requsted to not be called to Team-melli and that he wants stay out of the limelight in order for younger players to emerge, but our football is clearly in a crisis. This team melli we have now is too young, un-organized, un-disciplined and is clearly lacking a leader in midfield and in the defensive line. I am also aware of his age, but has Peyman jan said in another thread in this forum, age is just a number. Should we overlook inviting Karim Khan just because of his age eventhough he was the best player in the derby? Having a team that is too old is a weakness, but so is having a team that is too young, and this current team melli, in my opinion, is way too young. In our roster vs Kuwait, we did not have one single player over the age of 30. And the lack of expierence showed in the latter stages of a match when he squandered a 2 goal margin. Karim Khan saved a goal for Persepolis with his foul and eventual red card on Ravankhah. He knew that was a golden chance for SS to score, so he stopped the play and sacrficied himself for the ultimate long term success of his team.

Karim Khan is exactly what our young TM needs. A legendary Iranian player playing along their side that has wisdom, intellect, and most of all, expereince. I'm sure with a little persuasion and current state of TM, Karim Khan will be willing to offer his services to the red, white and green once again.

What do you guys think?

[khabalood]

It is pointless inviting a player who does not wish to play for tm, regardless of talent or how big of a name they may have.

[Ali Chicago]

While Karim is one of the most if not the classiest player I have known to play the game and no one can deny his other abilities. Karim has great play reading, great shots, adding up to the second wave of attack, but at this stage he doesn't have what TM needs in defense (SPEED). Relative speed of Mohammad Nosrati was the key element that earned him the spot during the Branko days and until today we still don't have anyone to fill his shoes. While Nosrati isn't consistant, his speed still is badly needed in the TM.

We need a fast central defender to pair up with one of the Aghili or Hosseini or Benghar. In the defensive midfield role, If Nekoonam is healed and by June get's back in playing form, I think we are better off to use him and work on Ando than bring Karim back.

I don't say this due to lack of respect to Karim. He is one of my heros. I wish Ali Daie had 1/10 of the selflessness that Karim dispalyed when he left TM after the unsuccesful 2002 WC final campaign, but at this specific moment, I don't think addition of Karim can solve any of the more immediate problems of the TM.

[zzgloo]

If, we are talking about a player who is no longer with TM, and he is still capable, and we also need him badly.....................
More than bagheri, we need, Golmohamadi.

[KasraKhan]

It is pointless inviting a player who does not wish to play for tm, regardless of talent or how big of a name they may have.

Iranian players do this from time to time. Dont forget Vahid Hashemian refused to play for TM for years, finally gave in, and his role was pivotal in Iran qualifying for WC2006

[khabalood]

Iranian players do this from time to time. Dont forget Vahid Hashemian refused to play for TM for years, finally gave in, and his role was pivotal in Iran qualifying for WC2006

I just don't agree with begging players to join tm. Such a mentality will lead the player into believing he is greater than the team, and we can see the result in Hashemian's recent actions. In my opinion Hashemian believes he has a gauranteed spot, and that he will be a first team starter any time he wishes to join the team. This is a horrible mentality to cultivate in a squad and it is highly destructive, to the rest of the teams morale, which will have negative consequences on the field.

If a player is retired and wishes to come back into the national squad he should take the first step, as Zidane did when he decided to return to France. That is the only way. No player should be begged to play when they have already decided they will not.

[Doctor DOOM]

It is pointless inviting a player who does not wish to play for tm, regardless of talent or how big of a name they may have.

I agree.
I also think Bagheri isnt all that consistent nowadays. he has good days and bad ones. so lets not imagine he's his great bagheri of 5 years back.

and Ali was spot on with the needs of our defense which is speed and agility. and I'm afraid bagheri doesnt have those.
the defense also, suffered from lack of coordination ( 3 out of 4 were new faces ). so I dont think bringing yet another NEW face into the equation would solve much here!

better thing is to make sure nosrati regains his old form and recall aghili.
that way, you'd have some speed and far more coordination in the line.

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and while we're talking about call backs for the uae game, with permission from majid jan, here's a little gem he's been updating for us :

GOALS SCORED BY IRANIANS SO FAR:

14..... Mehrzad Madanchi .....Al Sha'ab
12..... RASOUL Khatibi .....Emarat
10.....Reza Enayati .....Emarat
9..... Javad Kazemian .....Al Shabab
7..... Iman Mobali .....Al Shabab
6..... Ali Samerah .....Al Sha'ab
5..... Mehdi Rajabzade .....Emarat
4 .....Masoud Shojaie .....Sharjah
3 .....Siavaush Akbarpour .....Al Dhafra
2 .....Maitham Baoo .....Al Sha'ab
2 .....Milad Meydavoudi .....Al Ahli
1 .....Mehrdad Ouladi .....Al Shabab

a grand total of 75 goals


of the above list, apart from shojaei ( the player w 4 goals only ), only madanchi ( the player w 14 goals )& meydavoodi played a little for the TM.
mobaali ( the player w 7 goals )was called up, but wasnt given any chance.

It wouldnt be a bad idea if Daei recalls guys like khatibi (12 goals ) , enayati (10 goals ), kazemian (9 goals ) and rajabzadeh.
especially since these guys have played in uae long enough to know their football and have shown to be capable of scoring goals againt them. and they seem to be hitting the target consistently and weekly.

I dont see why we shdnt focus on this bunch of players.... especially when we are playing uae ( or kuwait or syria, for that matter ).

I mean how much wrong can the following line up be, for the uae game:

--------- khatibi/enayati----- XXXX ------------

madanchi ---- karimi ----- ando ------- kazemian


seriously, how wrong ?

[Paradigm]

After watching the heavily heated and important PP-SS derby, it became clear to me, that the best player on the pitch, the smartest player on the pitch, the best decision maker on the pitch, was none other than our ever young Karim Bagheri.
We can not over look this simple fact. Both Persepolis and Esteghlal are still the two most significant pillars of our football, and still, to this day, a majority of TM players come from Esteghlal and Persepolis. In this tenacious derby, where our 2 biggest, best, and richest clubs play each other, and one player emerges as the best player in the derby, does he not deserve to be in the national team? If players like Jabbari, Badamaki, Khalili, Sheys Rezaei, etc. are invited, then why not Karim Khan who was head and shoulders above all of them?
I am aware that Karim Khan has requsted to not be called to Team-melli and that he wants stay out of the limelight in order for younger players to emerge, but our football is clearly in a crisis. This team melli we have now is too young, un-organized, un-disciplined and is clearly lacking a leader in midfield and in the defensive line. I am also aware of his age, but has Peyman jan said in another thread in this forum, age is just a number. Should we overlook inviting Karim Khan just because of his age eventhough he was the best player in the derby? Having a team that is too old is a weakness, but so is having a team that is too young, and this current team melli, in my opinion, is way too young. In our roster vs Kuwait, we did not have one single player over the age of 30. And the lack of expierence showed in the latter stages of a match when he squandered a 2 goal margin. Karim Khan saved a goal for Persepolis with his foul and eventual red card on Ravankhah. He knew that was a golden chance for SS to score, so he stopped the play and sacrficied himself for the ultimate long term success of his team.
Karim Khan is exactly what our young TM needs. A legendary Iranian player playing along their side that has wisdom, intellect, and most of all, expereince. I'm sure with a little persuasion and current state of TM, Karim Khan will be willing to offer his services to the red, white and green once again.
What do you guys think?

I was supporting Bagheri's invitation back to TM for WC 2006 but now it is too late. There is enough traffic in the midfield as it is, maybe if he was a forward his invitation would have been useful.

[gol_kuchik]

And this thread is in the + forum because ....?

[KasraKhan]

And this thread is in the + forum because ....?

please spare me from your overwhelming football knowledge


Bagheri is one of the best players in our history, he is still playing a high level of football at the club level. He is only 34. Zidane played in WC06 at 34 and was one of the best, if not the best player in the tournament

Our TM on the other hand, is the worst it has been in decades. We are in a drastic decline with no hope for the future. So why not bring back a savy veteran with European expereince to teach the youngsters of the team a thing or two about international football?

I can sit here and insult you too, but I am the bigger person of course and I am discussing the issue, that is why we are here on this forum right? To discuss and converse? Not to insult others like you are common to the regular football forum

Actually, there have been a few articles about Karim Khan's possible inclusion in TM once again in a few Iranian publications, so I am not the only one saying it.

http://www.etemaad.com/Released/87-01-21/91.htm#19398

2nd article

[gol_kuchik]

certainly was not trying to insult you (remember we are both screen
names and we don't even know each other). I merely questioned why
it was necessary to open a thread in + forum for essentially recommending
a known player (if I had to guess, Daei probably knows Bagheri better than
you and I combined) back to TM? (The general forum has usually at least 2
threads on the same subject: how about Ashkan? How about Mobali? ......etc)