Hunger & Motivation to what extent ?

[Doctor DOOM]

Remember we all agreed on the positives of daei for taking over the TM, even despite some shortcomings in other departments like experience and level-headedness ?
We all quoted his "Hunger & Motivation" , his "wanting more" as a positive that will drive TM forward.

But now, I have to pause and question the very factors of "wanting more".
he has his hands in way too many jars and I'm afraid some of these jars are going to be under-serviced. as is happening to TM at the moment.

I was prompted to write this after seeing he has finally succeeded to take MK to court, after a few failed attempts. why? I'm not saying who is right or wrong in this idiotic and childish prosecution. I'm asking DOES HE HAVE SUCH AN AMOUNT OF FREE TIME ON HIS HANDS TO ENGAGE IN YET ANOTHER FRONT ( court battles and attendances ) ?

shdnt he be using his FREE TIME ON THE FREAKING TM , instead?

He already has (so wrongfully ) kept his saipa duties which has taken up ALL of his time and energy since they participate on TWO fronts of ACL & IPL. why shd he add to this already-oversized bite ?

does he really think he's superman who can juggle 3-4 different things, all important, at the same time?
isnt saipa faltering in the league? and only due to some REAL INFERIOR teams in their ACL group, they are sort of leading that group.
but WHAT has he done for TM so far?
NOTHING !
That is enough to alienate a lot of his supporters like me. he shd be more wise to know where & when to do what and spend his energies.
and I fear it is his extra dose of motivation and hunger to "want more and more and more" that has falsely given him the belief he CAN spread himself so wide on multiple fronts !

If daei think MK has done his name wrong, then by taking MK to court on some past unimportant issue while he has so many balls in the air means only one thing: he doesnt need MK or anyone else to do any damage. HE HIMSELF IS DOING THE MOST AMOUNT OF DAMAGE TO HIS NAME.

[zzgloo]

For all those members here, who insisted we should use domestic coaches....
They realy must have no idea what kind of culture we have,and who are they dealing with...
daei, currantly,
Without coaching experince,or trainings,
while being behind for late hireing,
Is partly with Saipa,
Partly in court against MK,
partly fighting with newspapers,
partly fighting with kafashian,and no freindly games,
....
The talks of not qualifing for WC has already started in most places in Iran.

[perspolees]

For all those members here, who insisted we should use domestic coaches....
They realy must have no idea what kind of culture we have,and who are they dealing with...
daei, currantly,
Without coaching experince,or trainings,
while being behind for late hireing,
Is partly with Saipa,
Partly in court against MK,
partly fighting with newspapers,
partly fighting with kafashian,and no freindly games,
....
The talks of not qualifing for WC has already started in most places in Iran.

as if that we would have friendly games, a well lubed organization had we had a foreigner as a coach!!?
to look at this from a foreigner vs iranina point of view imho is fruitless
what coach for what team, trying to go where and achieve what? is teh question
unfortunately on these grounds we are way bellow the par to have a coach factor

[Mr Pouya]

great thread and i totaly agree with all ur points, i would of givien him credit if he played other teams but to lose and draw to the teams he did it just makes me sick i rather have GN to him, but if only ghotbi was chosen just imagine the great work he would of done.

edit: how the hell did i post in this thread, just noticed this is a football + forum

[Doctor DOOM]

^ lets get some things straight here.

1- ghotbi would have done far worse than Daei.

2- GN would have been fine and has his own pros and cons. so does Daei.
dont think with GN we'd be running smoothly and without controversy coz we did when he was in charge too.

this thread is not to compare daei to anyone.
I'm just recounting some problem "I" have with some of his decisions.

[Ali Chicago]

For all those members here, who insisted we should use domestic coaches....
They realy must have no idea what kind of culture we have,and who are they dealing with...
daei, currantly,
Without coaching experince,or trainings,
while being behind for late hireing,
Is partly with Saipa,
Partly in court against MK,
partly fighting with newspapers,
partly fighting with kafashian,and no freindly games,
....
The talks of not qualifing for WC has already started in most places in Iran.

I don't think anyone insists on coach for sure must be Iranian. The problem is no decent forigen coach comes to Iran. So then I say instead of hiring somene who doesn't give a shit and is a sharlatan like Arie Haan and many others which I don't name, let's have an Iranian coach. I am sure/hope Daie will learn a lot from all of this. Although, our team is really in bad shape now in WC qualification.

[zzgloo]

I don't think anyone insists on coach for sure must be Iranian. The problem is no decent forigen coach comes to Iran. So then I say instead of hiring somene who doesn't give a shit and is a sharlatan like Arie Haan and many others which I don't name, let's have an Iranian coach. I am sure/hope Daie will learn a lot from all of this. Although, our team is really in bad shape now in WC qualification.

Ali jaan.......
I read in another thread, that most members on our site,do not view daei as competant for TM job, yet, the stand of PFDC is that we need to support him any way...which this has its own merit....
Yet, I mainly have the whole class of our coaches in mind ,which are in very low standard.....just look at how well , the low level armenian coach of Paykan is doing, or other foreign coaches working in Iran,or how well some, with just a little exposure to European football , are doing ( daei,azizi,Ghotbi etc.)....
And in addition, it seems , domestic coaches atract more " Hashieh ",than foerign ones.......
And I am not so sure, good coaches do not come to Iran, may be to some extend that is true, but IFF did not realy looked hard enough....
just two weeks ago, Berti Voucks, signed with republic of Azarbayjan,as thier head football coach.......
although,Iran is not very Ideal for coaches, but the money,and a good chance to go to WC , is very appealing to enough number of coaches.
I just hope, people remember the currant situation with domestic coaches,next time we will look for TM coach.

[Doctor DOOM]

I think at the moment, Daei's problem ... or the reason he invites so much criticism is not his "competence" as much as it is his DUAL DUTY that is selling both teams short.

If he had done the responsible thing of dropping saipa, he'd not be facing a lot of criticism now.
his focus would be on TM and maybe him being free, would have meant a lot would have been different.

I point at his acceptance of the compact schedule of the league, since I believe his being a club coach had something to do with his agreement and ascent.
now, had he been only TM's coach, I doubt he'd have accepted such a destructive format.

who knows, maybe being daei ( which comes with a lot of clout ) and adding to this, being TM's head coach which increases his weight, could have meant TM would have started their camp, perhaps got some sessions together. or ... etc.
I'm just assuming. but it is fair to say his dual duty has not been good for us, him, TM and saipa.

I am sure among the candidates considered, he's not a bad choice and is better than some.

[zzgloo]

payman jaan...............
I write ,my opinion here on F+, and not the football forum....
frankly I do not see Daei takeing us any where ......
He brought us glory with his playing.....but expecting him to do the same with his coaching is " a Reach " !
I know our dear Majid, started a thread on football forum, inviteing all to support Daei, and takes all critisisms as irrelevent......
Requirements to be a good coach are very different than scoreing Goals !!
With his rationalizing all his losses, and arrogance of keeping the saipa job, and starting to blame IFF, and talking about ,not going to the WC, and all......\
Simply put, He is not an intelegent man,nor a coach .
...................
I know, TM being in bad shape now, is not his fault....., but , TM's currant situation requires, more than ever, a better coach !!....
we are in a period when we can least afford to take chances !
All these are not criticisms,it is too late for that......but, just an objective obsevation !
The best TM can be, is what Saipa is now !

[Doctor DOOM]

what I am REALLY interested is this:
lets assume TM advances to the next stage.

is Daei still going to coach saipa ?
coz then, saipa's ACL games may interfere with the TM preparations .

and if saipa hires a new coach, my Q is why couldnt they do so earlier ?
why didnt they behave much like ... oh I dont know ... like a GAZILLION other clubs who replace a coach with another even during a league or tournament ?

[maij]

I know our dear Majid, started a thread on football forum, inviteing all to support Daei, and takes all critisisms as irrelevent......
!

That is a false impression ..... Go through the thread and you will understand it better.

[zzgloo]

That is a false impression ..... Go through the thread and you will understand it better.

Majid jaan..........I went again,as you suggested, and read most posts,specialy your initial one ; to see if I misunderstood......
You had 6 paragraphs........I must admit that my impression is not 100% correct, yet it is what your third paragraph says .( instead of irrelevent,you wrote immaterial ).....
although, you do go on and say, criticism must be for improvement and not hate .and nature of PFDC,as well as the policy.
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Just as your post was not just your third paragraph, ..niether was mine about the part you took out !
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Not all members here ,are haters . and not all obsevations meant to critisize !
There are many members here that while respecting PFDC's policies and the code of ethices...yet, do not neccessarly subscribe to its views.

[Doctor DOOM]

but bahram, you gotta admit, there are a lot of little kids and immature ppl who just plain & simple "hate" daei while not having much of a solid, reasonable reason for it.
most of it is subjective and mob mentality.

they just hate him becoz they are foolishly led to believe daei was the cause of our failure at the WC, all the wrong things in our football, whatever bad happens in IFF, .... or the matter of him hanging up his boots, ... etc ! which is pretty stupid if you ask me.

hardly many ppl come up with sound criticism or complaints of daei on topics relevant.

so I understand why majid is trying to straighten out those kids.

[zzgloo]

but bahram, you gotta admit, there are a lot of little kids and immature ppl who just plain & simple "hate" daei while not having much of a solid, reasonable reason for it.
most of it is subjective and mob mentality.

they just hate him becoz they are foolishly led to believe daei was the cause of our failure at the WC, all the wrong things in our football, whatever bad happens in IFF, .... or the matter of him hanging up his boots, ... etc ! which is pretty stupid if you ask me.

hardly many ppl come up with sound criticism or complaints of daei on topics relevant.

so I understand why majid is trying to straighten out those kids.

I understand that payman jaan......but, I did not see much acknowledgment ( let alone encouragment ) of those with Objective views !....
I saw more generalizations .

[maij]

Majid jaan..........I went again,as you suggested, and read most posts,specialy your initial one ; to see if I misunderstood......
You had 6 paragraphs........I must admit that my impression is not 100% correct, yet it is what your third paragraph says .( instead of irrelevent,you wrote immaterial ).....
although, you do go on and say, criticism must be for improvement and not hate .and nature of PFDC,as well as the policy.
..........................................
Just as your post was not just your third paragraph, ..niether was mine about the part you took out !
..........................................
Not all members here ,are haters . and not all obsevations meant to critisize !
There are many members here that while respecting PFDC's policies and the code of ethices...yet, do not neccessarly subscribe to its views.

Bahram Jan... I tried my best to explain in simple plain language what the motive is , so excuse my English if I have failed to convey this message to each and everyone.

Also , if one wants to argue with me on the choice of every word that I have used, I beg every ones pardon because yours truly is not Shakespeare to have such command of the English language , my third language.

Alas , no harm in simply saying it again. The post was for the support of Team Melli and the coach , who happens to be Ali Daei , who happens to be a target of hate messages.

There is no intention by this board to curb constructive criticism , and even no-so constructive. People need to understand that this board will not be used as a platform for hate and personal grudges.

Also , for every point of view , there is one that is opposing it. People will not necessary agree on what you say , even as I found out , if one produces substantial evidence and proof !! What we ask is respect to other points of views instead of using the law of the jungle where the animal with more vocal power and brute force dominates.

I hope that explains it.