Iran vs. UAE Game [merged]

[BehzadB]

I just watched the first half (had seen the second half already)..

this team look pretty tired.. there was no speed from the back guys going from defense to offense. Nekounam, teymourian, both were pretty slow joining the attack..

we had a couple of good chances ,but didn't happen.. UAE was one goal away from getting blown out..

but most importantly, I think Daie needs to calm his players down. He has to breath confidence into them.

[maij]

ooooo, you seyeds. always trying to get ur next of kin into high places !!!!

BTW: Peyman Jan...I am also a full force Sayed , From father side , Mother, both Grand fathers and Grand Mothers.... So . easy on Seyeds ..Lotfan

[maij]

On Saturday , I believe the pressure will be on UAE. They will be the underdogs in their own country.

Interesting observation from the Dubai TV Panel after the match on Monday was the constant reminder that UAE players should not be complacent because Iran is a quality team that can hit back before they know it.
Also all the panelist agreed that Iran plays better outside Azadi and they have proved it time and again.

Somehow , I tend to agree with the panelist.

I don't think that Daei will have a major change of plan , but he may change the line up slightly and Nikbakht could be a starter. I don't know what he will do with Teymourian though...I am just pretty nervous with him around in the team..he is a laibilty.

[perspolees]

mozd an gereft ke kar kard
simple as that
other teams are working hard with the rite plan and building up
then they step on the pitch and follow command

and we are nothing different than what we have always been

a sparkle here and there based on individual talent..for about say 30 years now !!

[maij]

mozd an gereft ke kar kard
simple as that
other teams are working hard with the rite plan and building up
then they step on the pitch and follow command

and we are nothing different than what we have always been

a sparkle here and there based on individual talent..for about say 30 years now !!

Very true indeed.....

[yashar_fasihnia]

BTW: Peyman Jan...I am also a full force Sayed , From father side , Mother, both Grand fathers and Grand Mothers.... So . easy on Seyeds ..Lotfan

if ur both parents and grandparents are seyeds, doesnt that make u something like tabatabaei or something, atleast in the shia belief?

[yashar_fasihnia]

On Saturday , I believe the pressure will be on UAE. They will be the underdogs in their own country.

Interesting observation from the Dubai TV Panel after the match on Monday was the constant reminder that UAE players should not be complacent because Iran is a quality team that can hit back before they know it.
Also all the panelist agreed that Iran plays better outside Azadi and they have proved it time and again.

Somehow , I tend to agree with the panelist.

I don't think that Daei will have a major change of plan , but he may change the line up slightly and Nikbakht could be a starter. I don't know what he will do with Teymourian though...I am just pretty nervous with him around in the team..he is a laibilty.

majid jan, i dunno if the pressure will be more on UAE or on iran.
the reason im saying this is because UAE is leading the group with 5 points and 3 games left. metsu knowing iran is the most difficult game can very well plan to get a draw against us and then 2 victories or even 1 victory and 1 draw in the next 2 games will help him qualify.

however, us on the other hand are 3rd in the group with 3 points and we desperately need a win.

in my opinion, there is more pressure on us than them.

[Doctor DOOM]

^ exactly.

while uae will have some pressure on it, it will be nowhere near what we are facing. and trust me, it will compile by saturday.
and they know it too and will make use of it to their advantage.

expect a lot of typical unsportsmanship , not only in the game, but from the moment TM enters uae.

look at it this way: they have a lot at stake here and will make sure we suffer as much as possible. what will motivate them to resort to the usual stuff ?

1- they havent clinched it yet and if a couple of twists happen, they could be eliminated. it could be syria and iran.

2- if they knock out iran, which is far more formidable than syria, they increase their chances of qualifying for the WC from the next stage. who knows if the other team of this group could fall into the next stage's group also.


from the outside the pitch typical antics, to the pitch , which they know the more time passes and the score is 0-0, the more hassled and stressed we get and that plays in their favor too.

a couple of rough tackles here and there to add to it,
if they get lucky, a couple of sk1rmishes and fights which would eat up into the minutes,
their usual grass rolling, ....

you see, football-wise they dont have to do much. they can sit back and defend for 90 minutes and come out the winner finally.

this is why TM shd be formed READY for all this.
and they shd attack from minute 1. not like the last game, at min 75.

by attack I dont count EXILING a player to the island surrounded by 2-3 defenders in opponent's 18. coz we have seen that has NEVER, EVER worked for us.
the only thing that achieves for us is reduce our line up to 10 men. and make the poor exiled striker a target of hatred for fans !

we better recognize what we've been doing till now hasnt been working.
you either lay down and die.
or you try to change things..... and we know mere changing X with Y has NEVER MADE A JOT OF A DIFFERENCE.

havent we tried samereh, khalili, enayati, VH, meydavoodi, .... are , oore shamsi kooreh as the single forward?
what has been the result?
how many goals have these single strikers scored for us?

dont just take my word for it.
go back as many years as you want.
I remember as long as I can and cant come up with any respectable stats for the single forward line up where strikers scored enough goals.

unless you play piss poor teams like lybia or azerbaijan or panama.


why doesnt that ring any bell?
how many times are we going to put our hands into the fire, expecting to feel cold instead of heat ... and in the end get burned each & every time?
how many times?

in medical science and in reality ( persi can vouch for this ) you do that more than a few times ( way fewer than we've done at TM ) and you develop CANCER.
I ask you, isnt this , what we see right now, the inability to score , the very CANCER we've caused ?

( or NECROSIS, btw. take ur pick. neither is pleasant & both can be applied to our present situation )

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neither would crowding most of our players too deep into our line up help with matters of scoring goals.
it never has. and it's pretty naive and stupid to think it suddenly, & magically will today.

I'm not even going over the shape these 2 def-mids are !

yashar jan believes that ensures the safety of our goal.
fine. lets give him that.
without going over the quality of teams we've faced and how that has paid back, we'll say lets take that as a given.

BUT that's not going to get the goals for us, is it now?
that ensures we dont concede and given that we dont have enough players up front to score , and also the fact that we dont have the QUALITY of players who , even if outnumbered , can still score goals ( as is in this formation ) , what has that got us?
lots of 0-0 draws.

I ask you, will another couple of 0-0's serve our cause?
if you say yes and you are more bothered about not conceding, then more power to you.
really.
coz you'd need it in the real world .... badly.

[Doctor DOOM]

I understand what yashar is trying with his poll in the general forum.
by saying there are various reasons we are in this mess.
absolutely correct.

but if you think I'm picking on the player selection and formation and tactics ONLY and beleive there are no other causes, you are mistaken.

you have to understand I am not going to talk about the miserable infrastructure or player development or youth system or lack of facilities or .... or even how aliabadi and kafashian and co ruined our football and ... at this point , simply becoz this is not the time and more importantly, NOTHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT THESE FACTORS IN THE NEXT 2-3 WEEKS.

but what CAN be done are :
- player selection
- correct formation
- correct tactics
- mental preparation of players

smaller points like
- set pieces
- shooting

and such superficial remedies.

that's why I'm talking about these only.
dont assume I dont know where the REAL problem lies here.
but nothing can be done about those things in the next 2-3 weeks.
unless you have the magic wand.

[yashar_fasihnia]

^ exactly.

while uae will have some pressure on it, it will be nowhere near what we are facing. and trust me, it will compile by saturday.
and they know it too and will make use of it to their advantage.

expect a lot of typical unsportsmanship , not only in the game, but from the moment TM enters uae.

look at it this way: they have a lot at stake here and will make sure we suffer as much as possible. what will motivate them to resort to the usual stuff ?

1- they havent clinched it yet and if a couple of twists happen, they could be eliminated. it could be syria and iran.

2- if they knock out iran, which is far more formidable than syria, they increase their chances of qualifying for the WC from the next stage. who knows if the other team of this group could fall into the next stage's group also.


from the outside the pitch typical antics, to the pitch , which they know the more time passes and the score is 0-0, the more hassled and stressed we get and that plays in their favor too.

a couple of rough tackles here and there to add to it,
if they get lucky, a couple of sk1rmishes and fights which would eat up into the minutes,
their usual grass rolling, ....

you see, football-wise they dont have to do much. they can sit back and defend for 90 minutes and come out the winner finally.

this is why TM shd be formed READY for all this.
and they shd attack from minute 1. not like the last game, at min 75.

by attack I dont count EXILING a player to the island surrounded by 2-3 defenders in opponent's 18. coz we have seen that has NEVER, EVER worked for us.
the only thing that achieves for us is reduce our line up to 10 men. and make the poor exiled striker a target of hatred for fans !

we better recognize what we've been doing till now hasnt been working.
you either lay down and die.
or you try to change things..... and we know mere changing X with Y has NEVER MADE A JOT OF A DIFFERENCE.

havent we tried samereh, khalili, enayati, VH, meydavoodi, .... are , oore shamsi kooreh as the single forward?
what has been the result?
how many goals have these single strikers scored for us?

dont just take my word for it.
go back as many years as you want.
I remember as long as I can and cant come up with any respectable stats for the single forward line up where strikers scored enough goals.

unless you play piss poor teams like lybia or azerbaijan or panama.


why doesnt that ring any bell?
how many times are we going to put our hands into the fire, expecting to feel cold instead of heat ... and in the end get burned each & every time?
how many times?

in medical science and in reality ( persi can vouch for this ) you do that more than a few times ( way fewer than we've done at TM ) and you develop CANCER.
I ask you, isnt this , what we see right now, the inability to score , the very CANCER we've caused ?

( or NECROSIS, btw. take ur pick. neither is pleasant & both can be applied to our present situation )

---------------

neither would crowding most of our players too deep into our line up help with matters of scoring goals.
it never has. and it's pretty naive and stupid to think it suddenly, & magically will today.

I'm not even going over the shape these 2 def-mids are !

yashar jan believes that ensures the safety of our goal.
fine. lets give him that.
without going over the quality of teams we've faced and how that has paid back, we'll say lets take that as a given.

BUT that's not going to get the goals for us, is it now?
that ensures we dont concede and given that we dont have enough players up front to score , and also the fact that we dont have the QUALITY of players who , even if outnumbered , can still score goals ( as is in this formation ) , what has that got us?
lots of 0-0 draws.

I ask you, will another couple of 0-0's serve our cause?
if you say yes and you are more bothered about not conceding, then more power to you.
really.
coz you'd need it in the real world .... badly.

thanx for ur post doctor doom, i was enjoying it in the beginning until u started the whole 1 striker 2 DM thingy.

so,
-thanx for the first part of ur post. it was great. i also would like to add the fact there have been cases before were our TM was not treated properly. we had delays in the airport due to visa problems or hotel bookings or no proper training grounds, etc. so i wont be surprised it will happen again.

-as for the second part of ur post about 1 striker and 2 DMs, not repeating all those detailed discussions we went through, let me just say this. just because we play with 2 DMs and 1 striker doesnt mean we wont score any goals or our offense will be weak. perspolis and sepahan played the same 4-2-3-1 and got the best results both offensively and defensively both inside iran against iranian teams and outside iran in asia against west asian and east asian teams. so its a formation that doesnt work only for portugal and worldclass teams but iranian teams and players as well. many of the same TM players play 4-2-3-1 in their clubs as well.

[yashar_fasihnia]

I understand what yashar is trying with his poll in the general forum.
by saying there are various reasons we are in this mess.
absolutely correct.

but if you think I'm picking on the player selection and formation and tactics ONLY and beleive there are no other causes, you are mistaken.

you have to understand I am not going to talk about the miserable infrastructure or player development or youth system or lack of facilities or .... or even how aliabadi and kafashian and co ruined our football and ... at this point , simply becoz this is not the time and more importantly, NOTHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT THESE FACTORS IN THE NEXT 2-3 WEEKS.

but what CAN be done are :
- player selection
- correct formation
- correct tactics
- mental preparation of players

smaller points like
- set pieces
- shooting

and such superficial remedies.

that's why I'm talking about these only.
dont assume I dont know where the REAL problem lies here.
but nothing can be done about those things in the next 2-3 weeks.
unless you have the magic wand.

doctor, i agree with u. clearly our actualy problems are rooted deep within our whole countries infrastructure and the base it has been built for 30 years.

the poll like i said, i wish we could have a multiple poll so we could rank the factors from more weightage in causing damage to less weightage causing damage. afterall, im sure everybody agrees not all factors cause the same damage to a team!
but unfortunately, PFDC cant create a poll where u can have multiple votes but also votr in priorty at the same time.

thats why i asked everyone to list the other reasons other than the one they voted for in priorty to give us a better perspective.
if i had openned a multiple poll, we would have say 50 members voting and each factor being voted around 45 -50 times! now this poll wouldnt really indicate anything except that all these factors are obstacles to TMs performance would it? but we knew this even before openning the poll anywayz! so in essence, the poll is meaningless that way!

but ur very welcome to open a similar poll with modifications if u think it will yield more accurate results and i will gladgy participate in that

[zzgloo]

If I was the UAE coach...I would select to use the exact same tactics...with the addition of some better counter attacing routs...................
I would pay more attention to the UAE's left side deffense......and try to frustrate Iranians even more...................

And if I was Ali Daei.........the first 15 minutes of the game is where I have the most chances.......I would prepare attacking set ups, with over wheling numbers...and involve defenders in the attack as well.........I would not care if we got scored on in early stages as much, as any score will change the charactore of the game, and take UAE out of its comfort zone.

[The-Red]

UAE should be happy with a tie for sure on Sat and us, we should hope we come away with 3 points, no matter how, some lucky narrow margin would do, but a tie is not the end of the world either,,,with more preparation beating Syria away and Kuwait at home are not unrealistic goals at all...even tho I do agree that will put huge pressure on the boys to get 6 pts out of 2 games remaining if we tie with UAE on Sat.

[Doctor DOOM]

If I was the UAE coach...I would select to use the exact same tactics...with the addition of some better counter attacing routs...................
I would pay more attention to the UAE's left side deffense......and try to frustrate Iranians even more...................
And if I was Ali Daei.........the first 15 minutes of the game is where I have the most chances.......I would prepare attacking set ups, with over wheling numbers...and involve defenders in the attack as well.........I would not care if we got scored on in early stages as much, as any score will change the charactore of the game, and take UAE out of its comfort zone.

SPOT ON, bahram jan.

knowing our history and how our players react and get emotional and lose control as time wears off, it is wrong to approach this game as a game of chess.

at the moment, where we are in the group, given the games left and all the rest of issues related to these games and points , TM has no other way but to attack from minute 1.

and I'm with bahram here.
it doesnt matter if we concede a goal ( more on this later ), but as long as we SCORE more goals, which we ARE capable of with a little tweak and shuffle here & there.
as we say : balatar az siyahi digeh rangi neest.

the next 2 games are do or die games.
if we're not going to tear our arses in these 2 games, then when and what are we preserving it for? the inconsequential egypt game?

that's why in such circumstances we see GK's come forward to score off freekicks or corners at the dying moments of a game where the team needs a goal. the team is already losing. how does it matter if they lose by one more goal? but the key is ADDING to the number of choices and options for ur team to score a goal.

we are in the same place now.
no point looking at this game and wanting to play it cautious to settle in and maybe do something in second half.
we know as time wears off, they get bolder and more comfortable, and we get more emotional and less productive.

we have the BETTER players.
we HAVE TO attack from the get go, with an ATTACKING formation and tactic.
again, caution will never get us the goals. neither do cautious formations ( even if we somehow convince ourselves that the players are playing this formation correctly ).

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now, why attack?
as I said, we have the better players.
and not only that. by attacking we push & box the home team in their half, which means they will attack us in lesser numbers. that's a given fact in sports.
that shd satisfy the cautious crowd here.

there is truth to the saying : the best defense is a good offense.

( mind you, some also believe in "defense wins games" but they usually are looking at teams & players like Italy and Italians . not our amateurs )

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now, given the arab mentality and style of play, I have always said, the rules of the game shd be changed when we face arab teams.
if you're playing japan or korea , you play by the regular rules of wait and observe first and then lay strategy or counter.

with arabs, knowing their genetic code, it is usually unproductive to apply the "wait & observe" strategy, coz they start falling with regularity of dung off a diarrheatic cow.
and trust me, you WILL see a lot of that in our next 2 games in uae and syria.
but if you manage to SCORE the first goal in the first 20-25 minutes, you have a totally new game at hand.
they will be transformed into a team 180 opposite and that opens up more venues for our players.

there are only TWO rules to follow when we face arabs:

1- SCORE early
2- Control your temper and dont give in to their tendency to start fights

that's all.

it is that rule #1 that daei didnt follow and his crappy formation didnt allow ... until it was too late ( minute 75-77 of the game ) where he added to the strikers .
but by that time, as expected, we were playing like headless chickens and too emotional to make any sense !!!
we shd NOT leave it to so late in a game.


I'd say if you guys are so confident that having 2 def-mids will ensure our goal, then why not approach these games this way:
start with an attacking formation, get your goal(s) and THEN become the solid, unbreachable wall of china that this formation transforms us into.
coz when we have 2 def-mids, we shdnt worry about anyone scoring on us, right?

[zzgloo]

there are only TWO rules to follow when we face arabs:

1- SCORE early
2- Control your temper and dont give in to their tendency to start fights

Exactly Payman jaan.........this is a strategy not many even good coaches have understood.....it may sound simple, but behind what your stateing, there is lot of experince to support that.............

One may say, that is nothing new, and everybody would like to score early....but what they do not realize ,is the level of commitment to this strategy................

Just imagin the last 5 minutes of the game between Sepahan and perspolise !
and how PP was playing.................playing like that in first 10 minutes, is how a team can beat the negative defensive of this arab teams..............
Once, you score !......thier hard practice ,and well thought of game plans are out of the door..as they have to adjust and try to score and not lose the game..................as long as the game is 0-0 , everything is according to thier game plan......and once, they are scored opon, they have to play with a new game plan that they did not practice for !, hence, they will be forced to adjust to us, and not we, adjust to them.

This plan,
will take the opponanat out of what they practiced for.
Will take the crowd out of the game.
will give better psycology to our players.
will set up situation that is more suitable to our style of play.
will give the opponanat a havey dose of thier own medicin.