Approval performances by Ali Daei as the coach

[Hajagha]

Guys, I have fundamental disagreement with you two (ZZgolo and Ali Chicago, however he replied only once) and I don't think we are going to agree with it anyway, no matter how much I repeat myself (or you do).

As I mentioned, Coaching staff is part of a bigger team for a successful soccer team, you can improve the team performance only in certain degree by changing the coach.

And I think we reached the ceiling of that by Daei, meaning that if you change Daei with any one (I mean any one), you will reduce the team performance. of course I have a time-period and this time period won't be less than 2 years. I repeat myself (for the last time), if you change him even with the best coach of the world (which practically impossible), you will get lower performance.

I know many guys don't agree with me, I have my own reasons that I brought them here and I know this is a big statement. HOOOOOOOOOOWEVER, I believe what I believe.

PS: Ali jan, I hate the guys who are not motivated for the game, and the best indication is the waist measurement (belly ).

Chao

[Doctor DOOM]

Daei did ok in this round.

He has his pluses which are trusting the new players in some posts , like gholamnejad, rezaei, khaili, meydavoodi, shojaei, ...

but then he goes and invites mirza and plays zareh , two players who were in the old line ups and havent been exactly setting the pitches on fire.

I also cant figure out his insistence on certain players while they havent played well and we know we have FAR BETTER players available outside the main team, yet they get no attention ( like jabbari ).


so he's had contradictory actions w regards to player selection and line ups.

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he also did well in recognizing some weaknesses and attempting to rectify them. I'd take that, even if it is in second halves or a bit late.
like changing formations, adding to the strikers, ... etc.
but then we say, better late than never.

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I like the fact that he's emphasizing on one-touch passing and quick football.
I think that's what we desperately need.


having said all that, I still am not very comfortable with having only him ( with no experienced assistant coach ) against the asian top guns.
I have my doubts about how ready he is and if he's found wanting .
coz once that round starts, we wont have time to correct matters. we better get it right BEFORE the start of 2nd round.

[Ali Chicago]

Guys, I have fundamental disagreement with you two (ZZgolo and Ali Chicago, however he replied only once) and I don't think we are going to agree with it anyway, no matter how much I repeat myself (or you do).
As I mentioned, Coaching staff is part of a bigger team for a successful soccer team, you can improve the team performance only in certain degree by changing the coach.
And I think we reached the ceiling of that by Daei, meaning that if you change Daei with any one (I mean any one), you will reduce the team performance. of course I have a time-period and this time period won't be less than 2 years. I repeat myself (for the last time), if you change him even with the best coach of the world (which practically impossible), you will get lower performance.
I know many guys don't agree with me, I have my own reasons that I brought them here and I know this is a big statement. HOOOOOOOOOOWEVER, I believe what I believe.
PS: Ali jan, I hate the guys who are not motivated for the game, and the best indication is the waist measurement (belly ).
Chao

Haji jaan, I didn't see anything bad about Daie. I even didn't suggest to change him or anything. So I don't see how we are fundementally in disagreement. I said team imporved and that is a good thing,.... . Yet, I would like to reserve the right to see if we improve in the next game as well or this improvement was in part because we played against a weak team.

To refresh your mind remember when TM (under GN) played against Ghana U23 and Jamica before the Asian cup and how beat them handily like 5-1 or something. TM in those games played great, but it wasn't due to our strengths it was because opponents were weak.

[maij]

Daei did ok in this round.

He has his pluses which are trusting the new players in some posts , like gholamnejad, rezaei, khaili, meydavoodi, shojaei, ...

but then he goes and invites mirza and plays zareh , two players who were in the old line ups and havent been exactly setting the pitches on fire.

I also cant figure out his insistence on certain players while they havent played well and we know we have FAR BETTER players available outside the main team, yet they get no attention ( like jabbari ).


so he's has contradictory actions w regards to player selection and line ups.

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he also did well in recognizing some weaknesses and attempting to rectify them. I'd take that, even if it is in second halves or a bit late.
like changing formations, adding to the strikers, ... etc.
but then we say, better late than never.

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I like the fact that he's emphasizing on one-touch passing and quick football.
I think that's what we desperately need.


having said all that, I still am not very comfortable with having only him ( with no experienced assistant coach ) against the asian top guns.
I have my doubts about how ready he is and if he's found wanting .
coz once that round starts, we wont have time to correct matters. we better get it right BEFORE the start of 2nd round.

The issue with player’s selection is something that only the coach knows and he will surely keep it close to his heart and not put on table for public debate.
I can't understand why the likes of Mobali and Madanchi are out , but then again , if one tries to think about it , one might find several reasons or justifications or vice versa.

In my opinion , and it is my view only , the fact that Mobali , Karimi , Hashemian , Kia , Kazemian and Rahman Rezaei were all out of the squad and yet TM still managed to qualify , with a game in hand , must be credited to the coach, i.e his players selection was right.

NOW...I am not in the business of speculating and whether the so-called Top Guns of Asia with their over-hyped coaching experiences will annihilate Team Melli under Daei , but I doubt that very much. I had the luxury of watching all those Asian teams, live and on TV and I can't say that I am trembling or having nightmares about facing them.

Defeat, of course, is a possibility. Japan was controlling most of the match against Bahrain , but one serious attack by Bahrain and a real blunder by the defender and their very experienced goalkeeper allowed Ala'a Hubail to head home ...1-0 to Bahrain and sweet 3 points and thank you very much.

BTW: Do you know the name of Japan coach? I certainly don't remember his name, although I was present at the pre-match press conference. The point is ....Famous coaches DO not necessarily guarantee a team passage and success. Clever coaches can have an impact though.

I always maintain that success of teams and clubs are systematical and the coach is only a small fraction of that success. Like Haji , I believe that even if you appoint the best coach in the World , I very much doubt that he will create magic for Team Melli , in fact , the time that he needs to acclimatize and understand many issues (including player’s abilities and skills) it will be precious time lost and a liability. Beside who can say for certain if those classy coaches will accept the mediocrity of football politics in Iran and will serve or honor their contract period?

So, I don't really buy into this foreign coach idea at all, not even at assistant level. And apart from wishful thinking and speculation , no one has provided a solid argument for foreign coaches in this thread.

[Hajagha]

Haji jaan, I didn't see anything bad about Daie. I even didn't suggest to change him or anything. So I don't see how we are fundementally in disagreement. I said team imporved and that is a good thing,.... . Yet, I would like to reserve the right to see if we improve in the next game as well or this improvement was in part because we played against a weak team.
To refresh your mind remember when TM (under GN) played against Ghana U23 and Jamica before the Asian cup and how beat them handily like 5-1 or something. TM in those games played great, but it wasn't due to our strengths it was because opponents were weak.

[maij]

Haji jaan, I didn't see anything bad about Daie. I even didn't suggest to change him or anything. So I don't see how we are fundementally in disagreement. I said team imporved and that is a good thing,.... . Yet, I would like to reserve the right to see if we improve in the next game as well or this improvement was in part because we played against a weak team.

To refresh your mind remember when TM (under GN) played against Ghana U23 and Jamica before the Asian cup and how beat them handily like 5-1 or something. TM in those games played great, but it wasn't due to our strengths it was because opponents were weak.

Brian Clough, that famous English coach of Nottingham Forrest who guided an ordinary team hardly known beyond the English Channel , to the European Cup was asked how can a team that plays route one football without much finesse or style can win the biggest trophy of them all , answered sarcastically “ When they award 2 points ( those all days awarding 2 points for a win) for beautiful football , then come and talk to me, for now I win matches by means that I see fit”

No doubt that I like to see beautiful football, but that is nothing compared to my desire o see my team win, it may be ugly and even that is in the eye of the beholder, but the result and a win is important.
I treasure the goal scored by Hosseini against Kuwait , a perfect blunder , as much as I treasure Zandi’s World Class goal against UAE.

There are many side issue that one can occupy himself in football, and beating a weak Syria , or we thumped Jamaica 8-0 under GN , are just side issues. When you go into a game you want to win, any other thing is just food for consumption of gossip columnists and will be forgotten in no time. It is the results that count.

[Hajagha]

) it will be precious time lost and a liability. Beside who can say for certain if those classy coaches will accept the mediocrity of football politics in Iran and will stay their contract period?

So, I don't really buy into this foreign coach idea at all, not even at assistant level. And apart from wishful thinking and speculation , no one has provided a solid argument for foreign coaches in this thread.

Very well said. I don't think we talk about micromanagement of the team here to see who to pick or not. As you mentioned, even you, I or any body else would come back with different list than him.

Cheers

[zzgloo]

Contrary to Ali jaan....I DO have a foundemental difference of opinion with both haji and majid jaan......
But they do not have to take what I say seriousely, as It is just an opinion, and otherwise, " man Chakere har doshoon ham hastam " ......as it is just a friendly conflict of opinion.
Aside the fact that Daei is there to stay, and apparantly no one can do anything about it untill after the WC qualification, or hopefuly after the WC.
Aside from the strange way he was selected...
In my opinion...Mr. Ebrahim zadeh ( Was that his name ? the genetleman with the broken foot ), could also have had the same results up to now for us .
But we can talk...can n't we ?
Daei never stayed long enough in Euroup ,like VH & Kia, to realy learn things as a player....he just has one year of Iranian league experince, which niether the league nor his saipa team were much.
he has had number of naive dicisions, including his iterview with Media, his insistance to play long for TM, and karimi, rahman, Ghotbi, mayeliKohan,etc, etc...as one may wonder the level of his maturity.
He was absolutly outcoached, by metsu....., but the french guy just did not have our level of talents.
Because of Unusual circustances of us being behind timewise, and againg of some of our stars, and required termoil in our football......some have taken the view,that these are not daei's fault, and we should give him the chance to prove himself, and he should get our support .... which is very understandable...but was he the single most talented coaching talent our football had produced ? is he the right man to invest on ? is it now the time to do such investement ? Is n't our inferior condition require better experinced coach more than ever ?
And I also do not beleive coaching is just a very small variable in fixing a team...as many other third world countries do not think so, since 16 last WC teams had foreign coaches with success, and it has become a big time Phenamina to over achive with an experinced coach.....
Russia just beat Sweden 2-0 , the country they never hought they could ,..and the mercenery man " Gus hiddick " did it again.....
Just between us, as what I am saying is not going anywhere, other than little post in a little football site........as thanks God, no one cares what I say !
In My opinion : TM is heading toward a big disappointment .....both on the field , as well as major distraction... since in my opinion again..." Ali Daei is a timeing Bomb " and at anytime, with his Volkanic attitude , he will cause a major " Bang "....
His selection was a big, " BIG " mistake !

[Doctor DOOM]

I think what Ali is talking about is NOT "beautiful football", but "correct football".

there is beautiful football that you see teams like barcelona or holland or ... play. and I think we have a looong way to even attempt such levels.
but we certainyl can and SHOULD play "correct football".

wrong passing, unnecessary dribbling, wasteful team movement which means losing counterattacking opportunities, ... are those that need to be addressed.
and I dare say before that, Daei ought to get someone who is technically sound and masterful, compensating for Daei's shortcomings.

while majid jan may be correct in saying the japanese coach isnt such great shakes, but on the other hand, japan has covered a lot of other areas that we lack in, hence providing a more complete canvas for the coach to work on.

we dont have that kind of set up. so when we are behind in that, we'd better get other areas correct to compensate for our weaknesses and lacks.

none of these factors shd be looked in isolation.
much like how a young, debutant coach can do wonders in Germany, but such a case in Iran doesnt not necessarily mean the same. becoz germany has its other areas ( professionalism, facilities, foundation , .... ) well covered and we dont.

and basically, I do not feel very secure going in with half measures, hoping for slip ups from other teams.
I'd rather go in thinking I'm gonna do MY thing and do it my way, IRRESPECTIVE of what the other teams have or do.

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and I take one more step backward and say even before all that, we need a great phys-trainer at TM.

again, I follow the same philosophy. if we have some lacks and shortcomings in some areas, we'd better get the others correct and covered.
one such area is shaping the player into those who can run enough for 120 minutes.

Komaasi did it for us. Why isnt he invited to TM?
who is the phys trainer at TM?
obviously he isnt doing a great job as zandi's and some other player's diminishing stamina underlines this fact.

so why shd we not hire such an aid with such proven track, when we have such ppl in our country.
I'd understand if we didnt have such ppl in Iran. so I wouldnt feel so bad.
but we do.

[Kaveh]

100% agree with Haji.

Under this Management and government, we should be glad we dont have Mayelikohan.

[maij]

Contrary to Ali jaan....I DO have a foundemental difference of opinion with both haji and majid jaan......
But they do not have to take what I say seriousely, as It is just an opinion, and otherwise, " man Chakere har doshoon ham hastam " ......as it is just a friendly conflict of opinion.
Aside the fact that Daei is there to stay, and apparantly no one can do anything about it untill after the WC qualification, or hopefuly after the WC.
Aside from the strange way he was selected...
In my opinion...Mr. Ebrahim zadeh ( Was that his name ? the genetleman with the broken foot ), could also have had the same results up to now for us .
But we can talk...can n't we ?
Daei never stayed long enough in Euroup ,like VH & Kia, to realy learn things as a player....he just has one year of Iranian league experince, which niether the league nor his saipa team were much.
he has had number of naive dicisions, including his iterview with Media, his insistance to play long for TM, and karimi, rahman, Ghotbi, mayeliKohan,etc, etc...as one may wonder the level of his maturity.
He was absolutly outcoached, by metsu....., but the french guy just did not have our level of talents.
Because of Unusual circustances of us being behind timewise, and againg of some of our stars, and required termoil in our football......some have taken the view,that these are not daei's fault, and we should give him the chance to prove himself, and he should get our support .... which is very understandable...but was he the single most talented coaching talent our football had produced ? is he the right man to invest on ? is it now the time to do such investement ? Is n't our inferior condition require better experinced coach more than ever ?
And I also do not beleive coaching is just a very small variable in fixing a team...as many other third world countries do not think so, since 16 last WC teams had foreign coaches with success, and it has become a big time Phenamina to over achive with an experinced coach.....
Russia just beat Sweden 2-0 , the country they never hought they could ,..and the mercenery man " Gus hiddick " did it again.....
Just between us, as what I am saying is not going anywhere, other than little post in a little football site........as thanks God, no one cares what I say !
In My opinion : TM is heading toward a big disappointment .....both on the field , as well as major distraction... since in my opinion again..." Ali Daei is a timeing Bomb " and at anytime, with his Volkanic attitude , he will cause a major " Bang "....
His selection was a big, " BIG " mistake !

Bahram Jan , I guess the reason we are here is to discuss , argue and listen to differing views , and there is nothing unusual about differences of opinions.

God…I have seen such contrasting views on players and in the same match, it is bordering the unreal. One man says player X was brilliant today the other says he should not be in Team Melli!!! Like always, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

As for the coaching of Team Melli , I think there is a fundamental differences on how we see things. Many of your views are speculations and guesswork and I hasten to say , that on quite a few of your presumption (like Daei never stayed long enough in Europe) is twisting the facts to put it mildly. First of all Daei is still the only Iranian player who played for 2 teams in the Champions league and scored 3 goals, but then again how did you measure his learning curve ? Did you talk to him, quiz him, talked to Ottmar Hitzfeld whether Daei learned anything or not? What criteria do you base your assumption on? I mean, let us be serious , we are all adults and mature people here , and for the sake of constructive and civilized argument , let us be more practical and precise and not pass judgment haphazardly.

When one says that “If he played player X , or if he employed this game plan , or if he said this instead of that…” and lots of IFs and BUTs , to me it is speculation. You could be 100% right or 100% wrong , but how on earth this can be proven in real life? I can create hundreds of scenarios like many others, but this is nothing short of wishful thinking. The objective of playing football is to win. There are many ways of doing that and if the combination of good tactics, not necessarily beautiful one, and player’s performance you win a game, then the objective is achieved. If a person is skeptic or a cynic, he can always find flaws in any process, and in case of football , complain even after a perfect game ( if there is something called a perfect performance) , that does not change the outcome.

One thing that I am used to because of my career and working environment is respect for professionals. I don’t go to the doctor and tell him how to cure me, or tell the pilot how to fly his airplane or the builder how to lay the brick, because I have respect for their profession. That is not saying that I have no clue on health, aviation or building and there is nothing that prevents me to pass an opinion on the quality of their work, of course. But how can I complain if they did their job right? Fundamentally, I give them the respect and benefit of the doubt. I don’t micro manage them. On the other hand, it is beyond me to predict that the same Doctor will NOT commit an error that might cost someone’s life.

People can quickly develop “Tunnel Vision” unconsciously & without realizing it. If you don’t think Daei is good, then be it , but creating scenarios based on your dislike of the man, instead judging him on facts and achievements, is unjust and not merited.

[maij]

while majid jan may be correct in saying the japanese coach isnt such great shakes, but on the other hand, japan has covered a lot of other areas that we lack in, hence providing a more complete canvas for the coach to work on.

we dont have that kind of set up. so when we are behind in that, we'd better get other areas correct to compensate for our weaknesses and lacks.

none of these factors shd be looked in isolation.

Khoob , Ma hami migim dighe!

You can not change a fortune of a footballing nation by the virtue of having one or two people in the National team.

I suppose the differences of opinion here is that you believe that by bringing a competent World Class trainer or coach , you can compensate your shortcoming , in real terms what is referred to as a "cosmetic surgery" , I beg to differ.

What good will a class coach do if he has a problem with players who did not learn the proper basics of football (passing , shooting , defending) or have lived in a mindset of mentality that does not adhere to discipline, all their career , do you think that in a a few days or one week time ( when the coach has all the players) or even a month , in case of World Cup , he can turn those players around ?

Do you seriously think that a player with poor physical condition , over weight and short of breath , can achieve a professional level of physical condition in the camp???

These basics are learned and nourished at youth and club level. At National team level , the work that is done on players is minute due to the time limitation, where the emphasis is on tactics NOT on how to pass the ball correctly. National Coach assumes that these players have the right tactics. If this is not the case , then the problem lies elsewhere , in the foundations.

Like you beautifully put it , we can not look at this problem in isolation.

and I take one more step backward and say even before all that, we need a great phys-trainer at TM.

again, I follow the same philosophy. if we have some lacks and shortcomings in some areas, we'd better get the others correct and covered.
one such area is shaping the player into those who can run enough for 120 minutes.

Komaasi did it for us. Why isnt he invited to TM?
who is the phys trainer at TM?
obviously he isnt doing a great job as zandi's and some other player's diminishing stamina underlines this fact.

so why shd we not hire such an aid with such proven track, when we have such ppl in our country. I'd understand if we didnt have such ppl in Iran. so I wouldnt feel so bad.
but we do.

Same argument here.

I don't know much about Komasi and how good or bad he is , but then again , if he is a super trainer that can put the whole team in shape in a week , hell why not ? But somehow , I guess Daei or IFF would have known about his exceptional skill...

The TM trainer is Firat , a Turkish German. He is a foreigner ...and I can't really figure out what is the requirement here? ..... How come Komasi , an Iranian , can do a wonderful job , but another Iranian , Daei , falls short ??

Where is the beef

[Doctor DOOM]

Majid jan, I come from the standpoint of if you dont have a BMW to race other BMW's, at least you better make sure your ford is well oiled and tyres are well balanced and plugs are top notch and ... .
I dont say "well, we dont have a BMW, so I'm not gonna be fussy about the tyres or what kind of engine oil I use or ... either" !!!

That's why I say, the problems that are out of our hands , ... well, they are out of our hands and they need a major program to be remedied.
but there are other problems that ARE in our hands and with a few tweaks here & there, we can minimize their impact on the team, like selection of players.

that's all I'm saying.

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BTW, until last year, I also believed we cant effect a visible change in physical stamina of players within a short period ( like a month ).
but you were there and I'm sure you will agree that the team that went to malaysia was PHYSICALLY VERY WELL PREPARED.
So, I think with a good phys trainer, we CAN have a team of players with very good stamina and work-rate that can at least run hard for the entire game, which is the background of any coach's strategy or plan.


Call me a Komaasi convert. But what I saw from our lads in AC07, convinced me he is very capable.

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Just becoz komaasi is Iranian, we cant assume all iranians can do as well a job !

by the same token, we cant just put our blind-trust in a foreigner just becoz he is a foreigner, either.
I really dont know what he brings to the table.
is he a phys trainer?
why havent we seen his impact on players that desperately need it?

if he's a tactician or technical adviser, then I'm afraid not only we need someone bigger, we also need a phys trainer at TM

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and finally, dont ask ME about any "beef".
I'm a vegetarian. so dont come around me looking for beef.

I can, however, offer you Broccoli.

[zzgloo]

Bahram Jan , I guess the reason we are here is to discuss , argue and listen to differing views , and there is nothing unusual about differences of opinions.

God…I have seen such contrasting views on players and in the same match, it is bordering the unreal. One man says player X was brilliant today the other says he should not be in Team Melli!!! Like always, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

As for the coaching of Team Melli , I think there is a fundamental differences on how we see things. Many of your views are speculations and guesswork and I hasten to say , that on quite a few of your presumption (like Daei never stayed long enough in Europe) is twisting the facts to put it mildly. First of all Daei is still the only Iranian player who played for 2 teams in the Champions league and scored 3 goals, but then again how did you measure his learning curve ? Did you talk to him, quiz him, talked to Ottmar Hitzfeld whether Daei learned anything or not? What criteria do you base your assumption on? I mean, let us be serious , we are all adults and mature people here , and for the sake of constructive and civilized argument , let us be more practical and precise and not pass judgment haphazardly.

When one says that “If he played player X , or if he employed this game plan , or if he said this instead of that…” and lots of IFs and BUTs , to me it is speculation. You could be 100% right or 100% wrong , but how on earth this can be proven in real life? I can create hundreds of scenarios like many others, but this is nothing short of wishful thinking. The objective of playing football is to win. There are many ways of doing that and if the combination of good tactics, not necessarily beautiful one, and player’s performance you win a game, then the objective is achieved. If a person is skeptic or a cynic, he can always find flaws in any process, and in case of football , complain even after a perfect game ( if there is something called a perfect performance) , that does not change the outcome.

One thing that I am used to because of my career and working environment is respect for professionals. I don’t go to the doctor and tell him how to cure me, or tell the pilot how to fly his airplane or the builder how to lay the brick, because I have respect for their profession. That is not saying that I have no clue on health, aviation or building and there is nothing that prevents me to pass an opinion on the quality of their work, of course. But how can I complain if they did their job right? Fundamentally, I give them the respect and benefit of the doubt. I don’t micro manage them. On the other hand, it is beyond me to predict that the same Doctor will NOT commit an error that might cost someone’s life.

People can quickly develop “Tunnel Vision” unconsciously & without realizing it. If you don’t think Daei is good, then be it , but creating scenarios based on your dislike of the man, instead judging him on facts and achievements, is unjust and not merited.

Thanks for your vision of open and free exchange of opinion.....and thanks for your honest clear respond.....

You state, in short, we should not speculate,and colore our immaginations as truth, without a shered of evidence...and call it objective.you also believe we should let proffesionals do thier job,and we should not meddle as if we have thier experince.
majid jaan....I believe, for the sake of TM, and love of Iran, there is no point in me insisting on my opion here,,as it may be distractive, while we want to enjoy our TM's games in up-comeing round...............so, this is perhaps my last comments about Daei's disuqalification....and I will try to focus more on the positives from now on.
I also repect profrssionals, as also because of my job...I know a thing or two about management.

You are right, I have no evidence.......but my last unsupported opinion on Daei is :

1-A coach's previouse talents at playing level has absolutly nothing to do with his coaching ability.
2-Had he not been The ali daei the player,he would not had gotten the job.
3-Had Ghotbi not been associated with USA,he would have had the job.
4-Ghotbi even may not be qualified.
5-Daei, has not shown any coaching signals any body noticed,and has been outcoached.
6-He is not respected by players as much as coaches should.
7-he will cuase distractions based on his volkanic attitude.
8-we need all the help we can get, because of transition period we are in.
9-daei does not get all help we can get from players avaialeble.
10-daei has been given too much of the benefit of the doubt,because of his playing years,and because of not being the reason for currant situation.
11- He simply lacks the ,Proffesionality,smart,intelegence, knowledge,experince,psycology,talent,and respect a coach should have.nor the timeing is right to take a chance.
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If I am not providing facts and achivements,and am developing " Tunnel vision", ...are n't you doing the same ?

[Ali Chicago]

I am really sorry to see your bias toward the so called "supporting the coach", prevents you from seeing a unbiased conceran. The fact that we play well against a weak team and giving examples, to you seems like irrelavent. What do you expect Majid Jaan? We all kiss and worship the ground Daie (or whoever is the coach) to walks on?

Majid Jaan, please see my last post in the UEFA thread I opened.See Russia Sweden and tell me, one needs to play Greek or Croatia style football to win only.

See Majid Jaan, there are two philosephy in football. One is likes of Morinho and to large part Croatian style of football in general. Grind and force.There is a different philosephy, that beleives football can be beautiful and logical (see logical doesn't mean your team needs to win all the games 3-0). This other school is what like of Cryff and many other dutch football coaches promote. Barcelona and Arsenal were among other examples.

You can choose whatever you want. However, I would hope footballing world goes eventualy toward the second philosephy. For the sake of fans that want to watch the football.

Yesterday when I watched Russia Sweden, I didnt' care about either team but I enjoyed and will watch the next Russian team if i have to stay up 1 AM in the morning. Yesterday I watched Greek Spain too. It was a waistof my time to watch Greek Spain.

I humbely request, you listen to my arguments and don't read my post with a perceived notion of pro Daie, Pro GN, Anti Daie, Anti X.

Please go back and read my posts during the GN era. I preached all the stuff that you are posting at that time for GN. After the elimination of Iran in AFC, bunch of anti GN kids went and posted foheshe to me and Behzad in other forums and even then they came and and announced it in PFDC. So dont' tell me I am not realistic and want too much.
I totally understand your logic and Haji and the argument that , it is the best we can get and have to settle for this. However, as GN's experience in the AFC showed, when the rubber met the road, against good teams, GN's wasn't enough for out TM. I dare to say this, that in my opinion GN is a better and more experienced coach than Daie (not as edcuated but more knowledgable in coaching football). He wasn't enough and I am afraid, with Daie we are repeating the same mistake. I went that road last year, and even this year, I am not saying anything bad toward Daie to play my little role of not creating a negative atmosphere toward TM. But I am seriously worried,we will repeat GN's experience in AFC.