Approval performances by Ali Daei as the coach

[Ali Chicago]

Haji jaan, sad part is that you are talking about Maifa as if Daie isn't part of that. The man who people asked for his head after the WC came back to Saipa and became head coach.
In head coachign for the TM, based on what Daie himself said in Navad, he wasn't in the race for the job and all of a sudden, he is introudced as head coach.
He held two jobs and no one thinks anything is wrong with that.
His company get's the sponsership for the TM without a transparent process and no one raises an eyebrow.

All of this is being ignored by even the contraversial sport media in Iran, who are nothing but tabloids. How come? Don't you smeall Mafia?

If this isn't Mafia, I don't know what is a Mafia!!!!

[Ali Chicago]

One last thing, we beat UAE and Syria people dont' forget. We didn't beat South Korea or Australia or even Uzbakistan.

We collectively as a nation have a very short historic memory and with one joe sardeemoon meekoneh va be yek maveez gharmy. We scored a very lucky goal and defened 80 minutes in a ali ashari way against UAE the team we never lost in an official game even udner Maylei or GN or wheover else.
We played one decent half against Syria that was beat 4-2 by the Kuwait last week and we act as if, we won the WC.

Really Amazing.

[Ali Chicago]

When is the game against Kuwait? I went to the AFC site, but couldn't find the scheudle for the games.

I don't dare to go any sport related web site, because I am taping the UEFA games and don't want to see teh results.

[Doctor DOOM]

^ Sunday 22nd

[Ali Chicago]

Merci Payman Jaan.

[kaz]

100% agree with Haji.

Under this Management and government, we should be glad we dont have Mayelikohan.

The irony of this statement is that it is exactly because of this kind of management and government that Daei became coach.

Daei himself admitted to not being ready. Ghotbi was already announced coach before Daei was and the order was pushed back by Aliabadi. Make no mistake about it. Daei is playing a dirty game and he knows who is backing him. Coaching two teams at once, having TM also use your brand...it doesn't get as kasif as this.

These aside, many of you are saying if we did not have Daei we had no other options. Wrong, we had plenty. Did you see Farahani on 90 list all the possible options? Troussier, Verbeek, Macala, Bora, Withe, Clemente, etc and many more were named who would agree on initial terms. Aliabadi made it impossible to get these gentlemen because they transparently wanted someone from within. I should know about these choices as my dad was helping the federation find suitable coaches.

Then there is the touted slogan that Daei is using youth. That's being said in a positive light. However, the only real utilisation of youth has been Rezaei. Not even Hajsafi who was embarrassed by taking him out in the first half - where is trust in youth when you do that? Daei is using these players due to his problems with other senior players we've got. It's really not a mystery when you know his past relationship with them. Branko's support cast: i.e. Human, Zare, Mirzapour and Alavi have been invited as well. If Golmo had not retired maybe he'd be there too. Agha, enghadr nagoo band-bazi bade .

Now putting all that crap aside, Daei has shown 1 good half in 5 official games? Terrible stuff. I'd like to post something by someone on another forum because I think it is apt and pretty much sums up my position:

I think Frootan is spot on in his analysis. Emotional counter-arguments that bring up our 4 goal loss to Oman from 10 years ago are just plain silly and add nothing to the discussion.

The fact is we got some big breaks in the last 3 games that we are not likely to get in the next round.

We were lucky that Aghili's self-admitted penalty against UAE was not called in Tehran.

We were lucky that UAE missed a number of sure chances in the return leg.

We were lucky not to be at least 2 goals down by the end of the first half against Syria.

If just one of those breaks had not gone our way, we would be sitting here right now sweating over how many goals we need against Kuwait and whether Syria and UAE will do gavbandi.

This team will need something far better than what we've seen so far to get through in the next round. The second half against Syria was promising, only if Daei is able to build on it. If he can do that, I'll be ecstatic. If he can't, I won't be shutting my mouth about it.

[Hajagha]

Haji jaan, sad part is that you are talking about Maifa as if Daie isn't part of that. The man who people asked for his head after the WC came back to Saipa and became head coach.
In head coachign for the TM, based on what Daie himself said in Navad, he wasn't in the race for the job and all of a sudden, he is introudced as head coach.
He held two jobs and no one thinks anything is wrong with that.
His company get's the sponsership for the TM without a transparent process and no one raises an eyebrow.
All of this is being ignored by even the contraversial sport media in Iran, who are nothing but tabloids. How come? Don't you smeall Mafia?
If this isn't Mafia, I don't know what is a Mafia!!!!

The irony of this statement is that it is exactly because of this kind of management and government that Daei became coach.
Daei himself admitted to not being ready. Ghotbi was already announced coach before Daei was and the order was pushed back by Aliabadi. Make no mistake about it. Daei is playing a dirty game and he knows who is backing him. Coaching two teams at once, having TM also use your brand...it doesn't get as kasif as this.
These aside, many of you are saying if we did not have Daei we had no other options. Wrong, we had plenty. Did you see Farahani on 90 list all the possible options? Troussier, Verbeek, Macala, Bora, Withe, Clemente, etc and many more were named who would agree on initial terms. Aliabadi made it impossible to get these gentlemen because they transparently wanted someone from within. I should know about these choices as my dad was helping the federation find suitable coaches.
Then there is the touted slogan that Daei is using youth. That's being said in a positive light. However, the only real utilisation of youth has been Rezaei. Not even Hajsafi who was embarrassed by taking him out in the first half - where is trust in youth when you do that? Daei is using these players due to his problems with other senior players we've got. It's really not a mystery when you know his past relationship with them. Branko's support cast: i.e. Human, Zare, Mirzapour and Alavi have been invited as well. If Golmo had not retired maybe he'd be there too. Agha, enghadr nagoo band-bazi bade .
Now putting all that crap aside, Daei has shown 1 good half in 5 official games? Terrible stuff. I'd like to post something by someone on another forum because I think it is apt and pretty much sums up my position:

[Ali Chicago]

Since you mentioned some thing that Ali Chicago said it in different words, I am responding to both of you in this post:
Thank you for your realistic and logic posts.
You were right in many details but you made a wrong conclusion out of them in my view.
My problem with your conclusion is when I read your post, I am thinking “am I (or Daei) playing fussball (football dasti) here?” Is it the coach responsible for every thing (and be credited as well)? No, a big no.
You are right that Daei has his own people (or gang or mafia or …), that’s exactly the reason why the other coaches (particularly foreigners) won’t be successful in Iran.
Why? Because:
- A coach doesn’t have the ultimate power over a team performance and results. Then having bad days will be inevitable.
- By not being support by your “people” (read here mafia), with the first bad day, you will be shown the exit door or make the life extremely hard for you to work.
- The coaches you mentioned do not have a very bright record, nor being top class coaches. Mostly they are there to make money and nothing more. Mostly have no background from Iranian football and government. All of these are not in their favor over domestic coaches.
- There is no guarantee that any other coach will be successful particularly in a national level where your resources and time are limited. Particularly you are judged by a few minutes.
- I can go one by one on every single names you brought and claim that Daei was, is and will be a better coach than them.
Saying in all above, I guess no one claims here that Daei is his cousin and was born as an angel. What my view (and the others sharing this view with me) is, seeing the matters from “realistic window” and are not looking for “perfect situation”.
Cheers,

if you have time, please read my post in the UEFA thread I opened about Hidding. This is kind of the guy we need.

You see, if we say, forigeners won't come or we dont' have the money, it is self fullfilling prophecy.

TM needs a new thinking, new environment, new blood, new atmosphere if we realisticly want to see a good performance in WC 2010.

In retrospect we shouldnt' have been surprised by WC 2006 performance, from that head coach and that organization and that players nothing else should have been expected. I write software code for living and there is a saying in that industry that goes like this to describe poor software design " Garbage in, Garbage out" Which refers when the initial work for the project isn't done properly.

I dont' mean to argue this to death. There is no absolute truth, but even relative truth, only time will show, which one of our approach was better.

[kaz]

Since you mentioned some thing that Ali Chicago said it in different words, I am responding to both of you in this post:
Thank you for your realistic and logic posts.
You were right in many details but you made a wrong conclusion out of them in my view.
My problem with your conclusion is when I read your post, I am thinking “am I (or Daei) playing fussball (football dasti) here?” Is it the coach responsible for every thing (and be credited as well)? No, a big no.
You are right that Daei has his own people (or gang or mafia or …), that’s exactly the reason why the other coaches (particularly foreigners) won’t be successful in Iran.
Why? Because:
- A coach doesn’t have the ultimate power over a team performance and results. Then having bad days will be inevitable.
- By not being support by your “people” (read here mafia), with the first bad day, you will be shown the exit door or make the life extremely hard for you to work.
- The coaches you mentioned do not have a very bright record, nor being top class coaches. Mostly they are there to make money and nothing more. Mostly have no background from Iranian football and government. All of these are not in their favor over domestic coaches.
- There is no guarantee that any other coach will be successful particularly in a national level where your resources and time are limited. Particularly you are judged by a few minutes.
- I can go one by one on every single names you brought and claim that Daei was, is and will be a better coach than them.
Saying in all above, I guess no one claims here that Daei is his cousin and was born as an angel. What my view (and the others sharing this view with me) is, seeing the matters from “realistic window” and are not looking for “perfect situation”.
Cheers,

Troussier was the main reason Japan is the way it is. Verbeek is good enough for Australia but not us? Macala has been beating us with small arab countries throughout his career. Bora...Bora is one of the most famous coaches in the world. These coaches aren't good?

Yes, there is no guarantee that any coach will be successful but that doesn't mean IFF should appoint anybody off the street. So there is a gradient. Daei is a candidate, but look at his pros and cons, is he in the same class as the aforementioned coaches? Not near; a country mile off.

And the arguments about everyone having their own Mafia. Sure, but Daei is in cahoots with THE Mafia. The ones that we are blaming for every other thing in our football. Why are their choices suddenly bearable because Daei is coach?

As I stated and will respectfully continue to state: Daei is out of his element and all the performances show it. He has had only a single half of good football to show from. That is not a very reliable trend. HOWEVER, we are stuck with him so I hope he improves.

But I won't pretend like we made the right choice nor that we are doing well right now.

[The-Red]

I surely give him credit in some aspects of the game, but to point out everything that you pointed out Haji jan, can't agree, since for one, he is too inexperienced to have passed any real test yet, and, his unprofessional atitude is something that needs to change over time or it will effect his and Iran's football image...speaking to reports in an unprofessional manners and taking on the opposing team's coach in a press conference certainly puts doubts in his ability to coach at international stage.
so far however, based on 5 games, I give him passing score...long term tho, I have my doubts, still. For the sake of Iran, I hope he proves me wrong.

[maij]

Many interesting arguments, but what baffles me the most is those anti-Daei clan , who have NOT offered a single evidence of credibility in their arguments on the subject matter. NOT ONE SINGLE fact that proves that Daei is a failure so far. Instead of indulging in credible arguments, what we get is a series of accusations and lots of IFs and BUTs. Any success is due to “LUCK” and playing “WEAK” teams!

The intended post by Hajagha was about the approval rating of the coach and his performance so far , yet it unashamedly diverts to Daei bashing ( or whatever adjective you want to change it to…..but the fact remains the same) , with all sort of pretext and excuses ranging from being the Mafia , to not knowing how to speak , to not employing certain tactics , to having conflicts with his older teammates and whatever half reason they can dig. Yet the core question is lost in translation !!

I am not ashamed at all for not having the divine power of predicting the future, so I tend to look at the deliverables and results, and leave the speculations for the mighty super IQ lots. YES Daei can fail, the best of the World coaches have failed as well , but we are talking about football here , not Free-style wrestling , where failure & success is collective process shared by many and not isolated on single shoulder.

I thought this forum is for objective arguments where the members discuss matters with purpose and reason, not to get bogged into the gossip and the old Iranian traditional of conspiracy and scandal!

It seems that it is not possible to take of the “Tunnel Vision” from anyone specially with a perceived notion ( I am not Daei fan from his playing days , so he is no good in whatever he does) but what we ask is to be provide reasonable arguments and points that can be proven or otherwise .
Telling us that is Trousseir was appointed , we would storm the football world, is not the question here, it is about Daei’s approval rating, what he achieved.

There is a possibility of Trousseir storming the world with Team Melli, but then again I googled the web and I failed to find that software that calculates the attributes of a coach vs. another to decide which better candidate is. On track record Bruno Metsu is a much more senior and experienced coach, however , Daei , the rookie , beat him!

Hmmmmmm …it is that old “LUCKY DAEI” again !!!!

Baba… I will join the “Daei Hate Squad” as well , but provide me something that is reasonable , tangible , concrete instead of insulting my intelligence. If one admits “ Yes , I have no evidence , and I know am speculating , but Daei is still an AS****” , then we need to relegate this forum to the boys squad and Lajbazi party.

[The-Red]

maij jan just like you expect that members on this forum be more objective and provide evidence and valid arguments for their point of view, you should also remember that as I am sure you do, calling whoever criticises daie part of "daie hate squad" or other names simply is not valid to invalidate the opposite point of view either...I realize what your main point in your post is, and that you are looking for a more firm, reasonable argument, but by associating the "other" view with the "anti daie clan", I doubt you can make your point as strong as it perhaps is.

point is this, of course I have not read all the replys to this post and maybe I should first, but I believe that every single member on this particular forum, wants the success of the Iranian National team more than failure of a single coach or player because they might dislike them, and if anyone is arguing against daie, whether valid or not in your view, I firmly believe that it is based on the interest of TM, the way they see things, and not purely based on feelings for Mr. X or player Y.

[zzgloo]

Many interesting arguments, but what baffles me the most is those anti-Daei clan , who have NOT offered a single evidence of credibility in their arguments on the subject matter. NOT ONE SINGLE fact that proves that Daei is a failure so far. Instead of indulging in credible arguments, what we get is a series of accusations and lots of IFs and BUTs. Any success is due to “LUCK” and playing “WEAK” teams!

The intended post by Hajagha was about the approval rating of the coach and his performance so far , yet it unashamedly diverts to Daei bashing ( or whatever adjective you want to change it to…..but the fact remains the same) , with all sort of pretext and excuses ranging from being the Mafia , to not knowing how to speak , to not employing certain tactics , to having conflicts with his older teammates and whatever half reason they can dig. Yet the core question is lost in translation !!

I am not ashamed at all for not having the divine power of predicting the future, so I tend to look at the deliverables and results, and leave the speculations for the mighty super IQ lots. YES Daei can fail, the best of the World coaches have failed as well , but we are talking about football here , not Free-style wrestling , where failure & success is collective process shared by many and not isolated on single shoulder.

I thought this forum is for objective arguments where the members discuss matters with purpose and reason, not to get bogged into the gossip and the old Iranian traditional of conspiracy and scandal!

It seems that it is not possible to take of the “Tunnel Vision” from anyone specially with a perceived notion ( I am not Daei fan from his playing days , so he is no good in whatever he does) but what we ask is to be provide reasonable arguments and points that can be proven or otherwise .
Telling us that is Trousseir was appointed , we would storm the football world, is not the question here, it is about Daei’s approval rating, what he achieved.

There is a possibility of Trousseir storming the world with Team Melli, but then again I googled the web and I failed to find that software that calculates the attributes of a coach vs. another to decide which better candidate is. On track record Bruno Metsu is a much more senior and experienced coach, however , Daei , the rookie , beat him!

Hmmmmmm …it is that old “LUCKY DAEI” again !!!!

Baba… I will join the “Daei Hate Squad” as well , but provide me something that is reasonable , tangible , concrete instead of insulting my intelligence. If one admits “ Yes , I have no evidence , and I know am speculating , but Daei is still an AS****” , then we need to relegate this forum to the boys squad and Lajbazi party.

Majid jaan..........
We are not clans,....
we are not squads......
We are not haters......
we are not bashers......
We do not even know each other....
Do n't you think, you are little out of line ?
We are intelegent individuals who think different than you do .
How come all of the sudden your view is the correct one ?
Only because it seems wise ?
Or is it because, you and 5 other staffs here decieded so ?
what " signle evidence of credebility " has your clan offered ?
Please stop branding people as " Squad of haters ".....
Go ahead , and think the way you want....I personaly would congradulate you for your, collective PFDC stand of yours for any TM head coach...
But stop , insulting people's intelegence, and branding them as if they are lesser than you.
If you disapprove of some one's reasoning, just talk to him, or tell him what you have to say.....or just ignore him.
What piece of evidence have you or your clan has offered about Daei's qualification ?.......................
Other than with him we have reached the ceiling of a coach's ability ,which you considered as a " great post ".
We have talked about this bad habbit of all PFDC staffs, but you guys are just too much,and have taken your positions too seriousely.
DO NOT GENERALIZE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The only reason that makes you write with such arrogance , is because you are a PFDC staff......
And that , I assure you, will not make your or any PFDC staff's wrong , right.

[maij]

maij jan just like you expect that members on this forum be more objective and provide evidence and valid arguments for their point of view, you should also remember that as I am sure you do, calling whoever criticises daie part of "daie hate squad" or other names simply is not valid to invalidate the opposite point of view either...I realize what your main point in your post is, and that you are looking for a more firm, reasonable argument, but by associating the "other" view with the "anti daie clan", I doubt you can make your point as strong as it perhaps is.

point is this, of course I have not read all the replys to this post and maybe I should first, but I believe that every single member on this particular forum, wants the success of the Iranian National team more than failure of a single coach or player because they might dislike them, and if anyone is arguing against daie, whether valid or not in your view, I firmly believe that it is based on the interest of TM, the way they see things, and not purely based on feelings for Mr. X or player Y.

Agha Armin Jan , that Hate Squad is a tongue-in-cheek reference , you can rephrase it as as you wish.

I am not questioning peoples motives neither will I know if what they declare is the fact, this is irrelevant at this stage. Everyone declares the love of Iran , from hezbollahi to the communists to MKO , and perhaps everyone has his own way of doing things for the love of the country , I am only asking people who have negatives points to validate it with reason and proof...Is that too much to ask ?

When I accuse someone of something , I better have a proven valid point same goes for the case when I criticize someone or compliment him. When you refer to someone as the Mafia , which is downright degrading , then it is obvious that there is more to it than pure sporting analysis.

[kaz]

Many interesting arguments, but what baffles me the most is those anti-Daei clan , who have NOT offered a single evidence of credibility in their arguments on the subject matter. NOT ONE SINGLE fact that proves that Daei is a failure so far. Instead of indulging in credible arguments, what we get is a series of accusations and lots of IFs and BUTs. Any success is due to “LUCK” and playing “WEAK” teams!

The intended post by Hajagha was about the approval rating of the coach and his performance so far , yet it unashamedly diverts to Daei bashing ( or whatever adjective you want to change it to…..but the fact remains the same) , with all sort of pretext and excuses ranging from being the Mafia , to not knowing how to speak , to not employing certain tactics , to having conflicts with his older teammates and whatever half reason they can dig. Yet the core question is lost in translation !!

I am not ashamed at all for not having the divine power of predicting the future, so I tend to look at the deliverables and results, and leave the speculations for the mighty super IQ lots. YES Daei can fail, the best of the World coaches have failed as well , but we are talking about football here , not Free-style wrestling , where failure & success is collective process shared by many and not isolated on single shoulder.

I thought this forum is for objective arguments where the members discuss matters with purpose and reason, not to get bogged into the gossip and the old Iranian traditional of conspiracy and scandal!

It seems that it is not possible to take of the “Tunnel Vision” from anyone specially with a perceived notion ( I am not Daei fan from his playing days , so he is no good in whatever he does) but what we ask is to be provide reasonable arguments and points that can be proven or otherwise .
Telling us that is Trousseir was appointed , we would storm the football world, is not the question here, it is about Daei’s approval rating, what he achieved.

There is a possibility of Trousseir storming the world with Team Melli, but then again I googled the web and I failed to find that software that calculates the attributes of a coach vs. another to decide which better candidate is. On track record Bruno Metsu is a much more senior and experienced coach, however , Daei , the rookie , beat him!

Hmmmmmm …it is that old “LUCKY DAEI” again !!!!

Baba… I will join the “Daei Hate Squad” as well , but provide me something that is reasonable , tangible , concrete instead of insulting my intelligence. If one admits “ Yes , I have no evidence , and I know am speculating , but Daei is still an AS****” , then we need to relegate this forum to the boys squad and Lajbazi party.

Our success is not strictly measurable by a "PASS" or "FAIL" grade.

In a test you may score 50/100 and pass but keep in mind the NEXT test you will have to score 65/100 to pass. This is the main argument in a small analogy.

Daei may have scraped through a rather easy group where our superiority is evident: we play crap, they still fear us and defend in their own half and we win.

Why it's important that his "Mafia" bazi come to the fore is not to bash him, it's exemplifies that our best players have PROBLEMS with Daei...mainly due to DAEI himself. In the next group such players will be needed to beat much tougher opponents.

Yes, Troussier is not a guarantee, neither is Hiddink. But you take the best of what you can get...not the most inferior candidate. Daei gets a PASS grade for this round but he is out of his element and if we can we should be looking for the better coaches that are still available to us. We won't do that, because AGAIN, Daei is highly connected.

This is essentially the Branko scenario in just a different form. MANY people here mentioned the inferiority of our performances - even point by point analysis (which is 'tangible') yet many here remained blindly devoted. They blindly pointed at 'results'.

The shit hit the fan in the World Cup itself where we came LAST to a team whose players DID NOT EVEN HAVE CLUBS. I, for one, do not want a repeat. If people are actually arguing that if we play like we did in the FIRST qualifying group we will pass the LAST one then it's going to be hard to convince you or bring something 'tangible'.