Iraian handicap in Hireing coach !

[zzgloo]

The south koreans', foerign coaching selections has been copied even by australia and Russia.
The saudies have been very sharp in selecting fresh minds...
The bahrain, japan,UAE,etc...all thier coaching selections indicate thier well thought off strategies,and analyis of thier past and opponanats.( saudis are going after sanchez these days )...and it seems ,when it comes to finding head coaches, they do have up-to date information, as well as not haveing any problems with connections...
As for Iran, it is not just matter of the budget of IFF, but rather thier short sightedness, and lack of immaginations,and " DAHATI EXPECTATIONS".....
In Iran most coaches have been hired with the least study and the least effort.

1- Sepahan just hired the assistant coach of daie, since he was easy to contact.
2-Branko was hired because he was here.
3-Clements failed to materialize because of haveing no experince in negosiations.
4-sepahan hired viera because of Iraqi player playing in Sepahan helped them connect.
5-Eastern Europeans have had more chances, because they are more and less demanding..
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It is like my youth !, when I had no confidense in myself, I had to settle with fat and ugly,and easy to find grilfriends.

[Ali Chicago]

The south koreans', foerign coaching selections has been copied even by australia and Russia.
The saudies have been very sharp in selecting fresh minds...
The bahrain, japan,UAE,etc...all thier coaching selections indicate thier well thought off strategies,and analyis of thier past and opponanats.( saudis are going after sanchez these days )...and it seems ,when it comes to finding head coaches, they do have up-to date information, as well as not haveing any problems with connections...
As for Iran, it is not just matter of the budget of IFF, but rather thier short sightedness, and lack of immaginations,and " DAHATI EXPECTATIONS".....
In Iran most coaches have been hired with the least study and the least effort.
1- Sepahan just hired the assistant coach of daie, since he was easy to contact.
2-Branko was hired because he was here.
3-Clements failed to materialize because of haveing no experince in negosiations.
4-sepahan hired viera because of Iraqi player playing in Sepahan helped them connect.
5-Eastern Europeans have had more chances, because they are more and less demanding..
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It is like my youth !, when I had no confidense in myself, I had to settle with fat and ugly,and easy to find grilfriends.

Guess, we all were naive to think something positive (reforms) can happen during the IRI in Iran. From these guys one can't expect more.

On a less serious notes, it seems Bahram's "naughtiness" in the past (or maybe even present) can be quite a story to hear. Why don't you open a thread about "naughty days", I am sure we get much more participation from F+ members.

[Doctor DOOM]

aghayoon F+ ro be jahaye "naamoosi" nakeshin, lotfan

[The-Red]

Well in the countries you mentioned, it kind of does matter who you know and how well conntected you are, how easy perhaps it is to just select one and get it over with, but it is mostly about the 'latest, the brightest and best money can buy' and who can serve their football. In Iran, it is first about how easy it is to get one simply considering the connections around, than about how much that choice can actually help our football.

[gol_kuchik]

Bottom line ZZ jan, it is not the fault of IFF but the quality coaches. You
see they are the one that don't come to Iran. I mean, why can't they
accept 6 points deduction from the team they coached as an adequate
compensation for their service?

[zzgloo]

In Iran, it is first about how easy it is to get one simply considering the connections around, than about how much that choice can actually help our football.

The-Red e aziz..........and gol-kuchik aziz....
It is not just lack of money,
It is not just iran being infaimouse,
it is not just,lack of connection,...
it is more than that............
Although,all play a big role,but it is also the matter of people in the position of responsibility,are flat, " DAHATI ",and the concept of communicating with people of foreign origin is ' foregn to them, as they have absolutly no international sence.....they have been dealing within thier own small circle,with Mullahs,and hezbullahis so much...they can not understnad a foerign point of view.....as none of them understand very little of foerign language,let alone being able to connect with them......as if Iran is the center of the earth, and all other people around the world are fake !
They need to have a federation which is well imformed as what exactly happeneing in the world of football, and be well conected to know who's stuck has recently been advanced.....
Like, the way, Russians waited so long to get Guss hiddink...or saudi's search for a coach ,not only compatable with thier past latin football,but also haveing history of beating thier opponant ( Iran ),and be available ( Sanchez )......
All these takes, being in the middle of information exchanges,and be well informed by connections.....
I do not personalt believe, The reason they stoped searching for a head coach after clemente, was due to lack of time,or lack of money,or even us being infamouse....it was mostly because , these kinds of searches and studing are so hard and foerign to them.

[maij]

I doubt that the shortage of foreign coaches working in Iran has much to do with the art of communication. People like Arei Haan , Denezli and Clemente were attracted , and I assume that negotiation were carried out with many like Artur George and some German coaches, so they can find coaches of their choice if they want it.

However , one must look at other reasons beyond finances and communication. The way the Western media portray Iran , makes the foreigners think twice before taking up a job there. The propaganda by the Western Media and governments against Iran, most of which are politically motivated and far from reality plays a major role in the decisions of these coaches.

The Americans with some of their European stooges see Iran as a renegade, unsafe, and a terrorists supporting country ruled by religious fundamentalist. Socially speaking, they see the country prosecuting minorities and women, think that the nation is anti-western and have tendency to easily send people to prisons for minor offenses such as alcohol consumption. The people in the west have been brainwashed and hence working in such an environment does not seem to be too attractive nor the best options for them.

On the other side, Iranians have the ability to produce their own cadres of player and coaches that have done the country proud hence their belief that they are not as desperate as the Saudis or other Arab countries in Asia who have failed throughout decades of spending billions, to produce decent coaches. This is a major failure in their football foundations and they have realized that. Recently, in UAE there has been much talk about this dependency and failure by the clubs and the association to promote national coaches.

In the aftermath of the firing their foreign coach and appointing a National (Nasser Al Jowhar), the Saudi forums, were full of sarcastic remarks about the policy of the football authorities and their weird behavior of firing Foreigners and replacing them temporarily with the same old coach. In Kuwait and Syria, similar concerns were raised about dependency on foreign coaches.

When money becomes an object, they will regret this failure and shortsightedness. The policy of getting the best coaches the money can buy without getting the results they hope for, is becoming too hot to handle.

I always maintain that bringing the most famous of the coaches is not a guarantee for success.

[Hajagha]

When money becomes an object, they will regret this failure and shortsightedness. The policy of getting the best coaches the money can buy without getting the results they hope for, is becoming too hot to handle.

I always maintain that bringing the most famous of the coaches is not a guarantee for success.

... or is it by some of our friends here?

Some of our friends description of football wonders me if they ever got away from "cyber football" and wore a pair of shoes and run behind a ball? Or ever lined up a few kids and got the result they wished for?

[zzgloo]

Majid jaan...........
The problem UAE and saudi's have,is lack of history......as they do not have : Ali parvin,zolfagharnasab,yavari,parviz mazloomi.jallali,talebi,Korbekandi,Ali daei,Asghar sharafi,hejazi, etc,etc,etc......to have a solid coaching back bone.
But,The point of this thread was to put light on other problems with coaching selection,than is not,just the Bad Image of islamic Republic.
The saudi's tend to want to stay true with the South American doctorin...and search to find some one that fits thier specification ( For Example they are after Hugo sanchez now ,who beat Iran 4-0 )..etc,etc...
The south Korean,are the envy of other countries in finding good coaches, as others keep hireing thier left overs,and they also tend want to stay with thier European-dutch style.....
But, What specific quality did Arthur George have that fited our football ?
What doctorin exactly IFF was looking for ?
Does the nationality of the coach even matter ?has it ever mattered ?
..............And as far as if the Image of IR being the problem....., It very much seems that if Money is right,everythingels is secoundary......The south American,and east european coaches seem not to care much.....nor did it appear to be the main problem with Clemente not wanting to sign.......
What kind of exact specifications IFF was looking for ?....
It appears ,most coaches working in Iran,have either applied for the job themseleves,or the Iranian side found them through ease of contact and convinence.....
There is never been a 'Hireing department" or an entity who searches for available coaches through out the world,and analyzes thier resume' !in a consistant manner.!...It has been mostly, lets make some phone calls around and find some one by the next week kind of way !

[Hajagha]

The south koreans', foerign coaching selections has been copied even by australia and Russia.
The saudies have been very sharp in selecting fresh minds...
The bahrain, japan,UAE,etc...all thier coaching selections indicate thier well thought off strategies,and analyis of thier past and opponanats.( saudis are going after sanchez these days )...and it seems ,when it comes to finding head coaches, they do have up-to date information, as well as not haveing any problems with connections...
As for Iran, it is not just matter of the budget of IFF, but rather thier short sightedness, and lack of immaginations,and " DAHATI EXPECTATIONS".....
In Iran most coaches have been hired with the least study and the least effort.
1- Sepahan just hired the assistant coach of daie, since he was easy to contact.
2-Branko was hired because he was here.
3-Clements failed to materialize because of haveing no experince in negosiations.
4-sepahan hired viera because of Iraqi player playing in Sepahan helped them connect.
5-Eastern Europeans have had more chances, because they are more and less demanding..
.................................................. .....................................
It is like my youth !, when I had no confidense in myself, I had to settle with fat and ugly,and easy to find grilfriends.

[zzgloo]

decisions are made by "hassan-gholi and mamad-gholi".

That is exactly what they are haji jaan......as It is even simpler than I said...
thier bunch of ,hezbullahis, with the unshaved beard,and trace of " MOHRE NAMAZ " on thier forehead, ( Faked one ), whom have no knowledge of any foreign languages......nor the circle of people they hang around are any better.....and more importantly,they have no football background !......thier selection has had nothing to do with competance, nor Football, nor Education.....
Exactly like any other post in the islamic republic........The poletcis of this issue is not my concern now, but when it comes to Football and its nature of Internationalism...it back fires !.....
I assure you, if one day in future,we had Mahdavikia,or hashemian,or Ghotbi,or Even Ali daei ,at some decision makeing positions, we will not have such problems.

[Hajagha]

That is exactly what they are haji jaan......as It is even simpler than I said...
thier bunch of ,hezbullahis, with the unshaved beard,and trace of " MOHRE NAMAZ " on thier forehead, ( Faked one ), whom have no knowledge of any foreign languages......nor the circle of people they hang around are any better.....and more importantly,they have no football background !......thier selection has had nothing to do with competance, nor Football, nor Education.....
Exactly like any other post in the islamic republic........The poletcis of this issue is not my concern now, but when it comes to Football and its nature of Internationalism...it back fires !.....
I assure you, if one day in future,we had Mahdavikia,or hashemian,or Ghotbi,or Even Ali daei ,at some decision makeing positions, we will not have such problems.

[Ali Chicago]

... or is it by some of our friends here?
Some of our friends description of football wonders me if they ever got away from "cyber football" and wore a pair of shoes and run behind a ball? Or ever lined up a few kids and got the result they wished for?

Haji, while one can't deny the role of motivation and emotional relation with the players, it makes a huge differnce when it comes to player selection, game analysis and real time game reading. How to incorporate the observation from the game and opponent games and translate it to the practices during the week, in order to make your team prepared for the game.

Our current coachs (Daie, GN, Dr. Z, Payroovani, Meesagheyan, etc. etc.) are a long way away from this.

The whole system is not a merit based system, so it is not a surprise that what kind of products it produces. In Iran, even if you have some innate abilities and are smart enough to go and educate yourself (for example someone like Namjoo Motlagh) that was a great football player and now has Asia A license and looking into FIFA and UEFA pro license, doesn't get much traction (because he is not Hezbollhai or not connected otherwise).
People like GN and Daie are willing/ can understand the whole concept of connections and play that game very well and get promoted.

Again, our coaches in the followings are a head and shoulder below average standareds:

• Player Selection (they don't players for the team that enables them to change tactics during the game with or without a sub).
• Game Analysis (when watchign the opponents tape)
• Real-time game analysis and reacting to the situation in a positive way during the game (GN to some degree did a good job in the first 2 games of AFC 2007, but in the last game against S. Korea was weak).
• design practices based on the result of the game analysis of the opponents. Even simpler than that, correct basic mistakes of the players in a span of time. Look at the way our forwards place themselves agaist the opponents. One of the first things I thaught my kids when I coached (around 11 years old) was as a forward how you have to stand if you aren't facing the opponents goal. Next time, watch Khalili or Enayati or even Khatibi or Maydavoodi. I am not saying fixing these problems is the TM head coach's job, but as someone who knows what the hell is going on and really educated in soccer coachign, one think they should be able to fix this issue after couple of months?!!! I haven't heard that during the practices, forwards or defenders will be worked with separetly, this is a disgrace that at the national team level, there are people at the helm that lack some of the very basic skills like this in coaching (I am not bashing Mr. Daie, many other before him were worst than him in this area). But I guess expectation is higher from someone like Daie, that has witnessed how practices are run in Bayern under Hitsfield.

[maij]

Bahram Jan...

Saudi Arabia has their own Parvin , Ghleech , Daei and the rest. From the seventies heroes like Saeed Ghurab to Ahmed Eid , to the closer generation like Majid Abdulla , Saeed Oweiran & Sami Al Jaber and between them hundreds that I can rate as stars players.

So , as much as Iran can produce stars and quality players , others like Saudi Arabia are capable in doing so and winning Asian Cups and making it to the World Cup.

As for Rishoo and Hezbollahie running the affairs of football in Iran , I have no quarrel , but how do you think football is run in Saudi Arabia?

Football is KSA is revolved around one Prince. He is the one and the only master and leader. Without him , nothing moves , without his approvals , no one could dare to say anything. Some of his policies and decision making makes Saddam Hussain look like an amateur in dictatorial power.

Kuwait and UAE went through similar periods of a one-man show , however , they have since changed to a more democratically lead process, but not Saudi Arabia!

So, Iran is not the only country in the region or the world that has its shortcomings in all walks of life. I believe that there are many qualified , intelligent and motivated people in Iran at the higher places. I had the honor of meeting quite a few in my life and have full confidence that if such people are given the freedom to act , they will bring honor and success.

I don't really think that football is run by a bunch of morons, just because some of the decisions or process are not popular by the fans. But what you an me find ridiculous or outrageous , the man sitting on the chair has his own reason and by the fact that he is the decision maker , he applies his power the way he sees it fit.

As for the foreign coaches, I stress that Iran is NOT in dire need of foreign coaches and the policy of promoting coaches within , will ultimately be much more successful and reliable in the long run , rather that paying highly inflated prices and hard cash for foreigners seeking short term success.

It is a policy choice between the Iranian module and the Saudi module. Both have their merits and shortcomings. My bet is on the Iranian module.

[zzgloo]

It is a policy choice between the Iranian module and the Saudi module. Both have their merits and shortcomings. My bet is on the Iranian module.

Majid e Aziz....your post made lots of sence ,and it may require a thread of its own.....and when I think about it, I realy have not made my mind which policy I like better...as both may have thier own merits......
I also do not think, IRAN,in general has made its choice either....but saudi's have......
Japan,and South Korea, and Iran...all have selected to go with Domestic coaches,after a long period with foerign ones,,mainly, ( My Guess ) due to the transition period they are in...many new players,and many old talents going out..............which,it may be understood,as they do not think they could provide top talents for an expensive coach to achive something in high standard....as with lower talents the money they pay the top coach may be waisted......

It is safe to say, most countries look at this issue, the way they look at thier economics...with some Foreign investement,and hired foerign manegement,they gradualy elevate thier own domestic standards....

The Auto industry in Iran,has very much benefited from this MIX policy,and it is well above the Auto industries of countries such as Turkey,mexico,Eygpt,.etc,etc..........as I doubt,either exclusively importing cars ,nor total protectionism and not importing and not " MONTAJING ",would have helped as much.