Iraian handicap in Hireing coach !

[zzgloo]

Just another reason,in case some had doubts, about the Hezbullahi nature of our federation,............
The head of tarbiat badani,Mr.Aliabadi,just two days ago, ordered esteghlal e ahvaz, not to hire Mr.Firooz Karimi.............Just because he joked about him.
Imagin, the type of management !
I hope, FIFA ,and AFF hears this, and the Independency of our clubs be proved to them.....
One of our most successful domestic coaches,who has brought honor for Iran in International club turnements,is forced out of employment.

[Ali Chicago]

Bahram Jan...


As for Rishoo and Hezbollahie running the affairs of football in Iran , I have no quarrel , but how do you think football is run in Saudi Arabia?

Football is KSA is revolved around one Prince. He is the one and the only master and leader. Without him , nothing moves , without his approvals , no one could dare to say anything. Some of his policies and decision making makes Saddam Hussain look like an amateur in dictatorial power.
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I think the comparison between Saudi Arabi and Iran is comparing apples and oranges. Due to the different social progress level (not claiming economics here) between Iran and Saudie Arabia. In summary, I expect much more from IFF than Saudie Arabi's Federation. As you yourself alluded, even Kuwait and other countries in the Persian Gulf have opted a better model

I don't really think that football is run by a bunch of morons, just because some of the decisions or process are not popular by the fans. But what you an me find ridiculous or outrageous , the man sitting on the chair has his own reason and by the fact that he is the decision maker , he applies his power the way he sees it fit.
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After the reform movments of Khatami era and seeing people like Safai Farahani or even Kashani Ansarifard in PP management, I used to think like you.

Seeing the recent fiascos Aliabadi created (the way he removed Dadkan), IFF election fiasco, and national team head coaching selection process, I don't share your optimisem. People like Mostafavi, who aren't tired of repeating the same crap of bringing Santini and Bianci while he knows well, it wont' happen, aren't just morons. They are either charlatans at worst or demagouge at least.

As for the foreign coaches, I stress that Iran is NOT in dire need of foreign coaches and the policy of promoting coaches within , will ultimately be much more successful and reliable in the long run , rather that paying highly inflated prices and hard cash for foreigners seeking short term success.

It is a policy choice between the Iranian module and the Saudi module. Both have their merits and shortcomings. My bet is on the Iranian module.

It is not matter of Irani vs. forignes. If we had someone who was somewhat capable of doing the job, I would have opted for him. I say without any hesitation at present we don't have anyone like Fathi Tarim that we can turn to, so he can take over our national team head coaching job.
It scares me to death when I say Angin Firat that at best is unproven, is the best that we can get. Now with his sudden move to Sepahan, the whole thing seems like a sham for personal promotion as well.

I supported GN with the same mentality that you are promoting now after 2006 fiasco. In reality it was proved to me that, having a capable forigen coach (not just whoever that happen to be Iranian) will simplify things quite a bit. We say GN fumbled the ball, not just in the soccer pitch, but he lacked the accuman and know how to deal with the media, players, politics, etc. etc. Watching the way Daie deals with the media and criticizems, it is a deja vu for me (back to early GN days). GN at least is a quick learner, but he still had to screw up the national team head coaching opportunity and the whole SS AFC thing before getting where he is today. Can we afford to pay the same high price for every one of these local guys?

Having a forigen coach in addition to other things, has the added beneifts of silencing the Sport Media for a while and creating an atmosphere of respect by the players toward coach and the systam that at present is lacked.

[maij]

Obviously we differ on many points on the subject.

While there are flaws and shortcomings , I have no reason to doubt that policies which are followed by the Iranians officials are disastrous or in anyway leading to undermine the status of th sport and its reputation.

Also , I have yet to see any proof that Fairooz Karimi was banned by Aliabadi. But if that is the case , then even in Iran there are courts and laws where the victim can file a case , demand compensation or sue. Others have done it , so should Karimi.

[zzgloo]

It is not matter of Irani vs. forignes. If we had someone who was somewhat capable of doing the job, I would have opted for him. I say without any hesitation at present we don't have anyone like Fathi Tarim that we can turn to, so he can take over our national team head coaching job.

Ali jaan, You got it my brother......we have no one deserveing the position....unless,we want to go to a period of 5 to 10 years,Coaching protectionism to up-grade our coaches...and even that is wishful thinking,with this back-ward system..............
Why, Azizi,after one season In san-diego comes to Iran,and takes Abumoslem to the top 4 teams ?
Why Ali daei,without any experince,or any super player talents comes and on the first year,win the league ?
Why,Ghotbi, without any license or head coaching experince, without knowing anything about the country,comes and on the very first year,with 6 points reduction wins the league ?
Why so many, with very little experince do so good on thier first try ?
Were we locky three times in a row to get ginuses ?...
There is no explanation but,the lack of top competition at the head coaching.....
This is not a disrespect of people like, Parviz mazloomi,and yavari,or Dr.Z,etc....as they are hard working individuals.......but,they like any other aspects of lives in Iran, are about 40 years behind...as there is lack of information and communications with today's world !
But, the main issue is, " according to FIFA analyst " Iran,considering its wealth of Fans,and wealth of talents,have been under-achivers " ( Exact code )........................
Our system,has not coped with the level of talent nor with our internationaly amired fan base !....................
We need some one out of this system to handle our potentilas !

[Ali Chicago]

Obviously we differ on many points on the subject.

While there are flaws and shortcomings , I have no reason to doubt that policies which are followed by the Iranians officials are disastrous or in anyway leading to undermine the status of th sport and its reputation.

Also , I have yet to see any proof that Fairooz Karimi was banned by Aliabadi. But if that is the case , then even in Iran there are courts and laws where the victim can file a case , demand compensation or sue. Others have done it , so should Karimi.

I gave you three specific examples in my first post. I repeat them here and add even one more of recent poor performances by IFF and Sazman Tabeyat Badani.
Removal of Dadkan which led to the FIFA fiasco (Aliabadi and company were so stupid that didn't follow the basic rules of the games when they intervened).
The new IFF charter process and IFF head election was a disgrace
TM head coach selection. Daie himself in the Navad said that he only talked to the federation 20 days before his selection and then left. it seemed like Daie himself was surprised he was the head coach (rumors had it, Ghotbi was supposed to be announced as head coach within few hours but he wasn't and even GN was in the race as well).
While at that, let me add the way the Celemente negotiation was handled.

You are totally entitled to your opinion as far as competency of the IFF and Sazman tabeyat badani goes and make your own coclusions. But I request, for 5 minutes think about these 4 instances I listed above.

In summary, I myself beleived that no forigner coach of (high cliber ones) will come to Iran. Those who come to Iran for the most part will be either Charlatans who want a quick money. However, I think if IFF was serious, they can find someone who is lesser known but ambitious enough, to come and take over our natioanl team and make us better and in the process make a name for himself (Troussier, Guss Hidding, ....). Hidding and Troussier weren't a house hold name before 2002 in the footballing world.

[zzgloo]

In summary, I myself beleived that no forigner coach of (high cliber ones) will come to Iran. Those who come to Iran for the most part will be either Charlatans who want a quick money.

This is a wrong assumption......I know many other members here believe so,and it is logical, but we should never take that as a fact !
have we realy,realy tried to see that is the case ?...or we are self censoring ourseleves...............................
And secoundly,we could get coaches at the level of " Metsu " atleast...cann't we ?.....................
Remember................Iran "" can have "" offers very hard for coaches to refuse !

1- Top Money.
2-Good chance to get to the WC.
3-King like treatment by fans .

[Ali Chicago]

This is a wrong assumption......I know many other members here believe so,and it is logical, but we should never take that as a fact !
have we realy,realy tried to see that is the case ?...or we are self censoring ourseleves...............................
And secoundly,we could get coaches at the level of " Metsu " atleast...cann't we ?.....................
Remember................Iran "" can have "" offers very hard for coaches to refuse !
1- Top Money.
2-Good chance to get to the WC.
3-King like treatment by fans .

Bahram Jaan please read the next sentence which starts with If IFF starts.....

I pasted it here, please if u quote me, please quote the whole thing.

" However, I think if IFF was serious, they can find someone who is lesser known but ambitious enough, to come and take over our natioanl team and make us better and in the process make a name for himself (Troussier, Guss Hidding, ....). Hidding and Troussier weren't a house hold name before 2002 in the footballing world."

[Doctor DOOM]

I dont think Hiddink would come to Iran given his standing in the world now. ( 4-5 years back, maybe ).

But I can easily see guys like Gunes, Macala, Trousier, Metsu, ... come to Iran. and these are pretty good coaches.

Clemente was a special case since he didnt want to stay here for long periods. and we know if it came down to staying here, he wouldnt have bothered with us at all.
But we have got some real classy coaches to come and stay in Iran also: Ivic, Ciro, Denizli,... to name a few.

[zzgloo]

Bahram Jaan please read the next sentence which starts with If IFF starts.....
I pasted it here, please if u quote me, please quote the whole thing.
" However, I think if IFF was serious, they can find someone who is lesser known but ambitious enough, to come and take over our natioanl team and make us better and in the process make a name for himself (Troussier, Guss Hidding, ....). Hidding and Troussier weren't a house hold name before 2002 in the footballing world."

Ali jaan, I did noticed that part also, but it some how made me think, all together, we have no chance of getting a quality coach,unless we " DISCOVER ", and find dimond in the rough !, as if we have nothing to offer,we should look for an Ugly bride who dances and cooks good !with higher risk.
There are members here,who do not think we can even get those ugly brides either......
The number of top level coaches are far higher than the avaieleble positions...
It is not impossible ,even for us, to land good quality and big name coach.
These coaches, have top agents,and very systematic.....they look also as how they are approched.......with, " DAHATI " style,hezbullahi,inefficient,non-profesional ways,they just get scared !...the westerner's head is in thier eyes !! ( AGHLESHAN BE CHESHMESHAN AST )......
With a proper proffesional,bussiness approach,as well as a preanalysed packege of incentives,and well thought of contract,through correct contacts......and ofcourse,good money........they can be signed !
We do not have to "fish", good coaches.....
I know, I know, We are infamouse....but,these coaches,want good offers, and contact previouse foreign coaches to get an idea....and if they are unemployed,and the offer is good.......why not ?
Remember,the chance to get to the WC,is the out most important issue for them.


For example : We could ,send a dignified proffesional group from our emmbassy,and IFF, to pay something like $150,000 to a very top name , " like: Beckenbuare ,for example ", to assist us,in finding a coach that fits our needs .and provide him with a " Nice package " to offer ,the coaching prospect.
What do you think ?

[The-Red]

That is exactly what they are haji jaan......as It is even simpler than I said...
thier bunch of ,hezbullahis, with the unshaved beard,and trace of " MOHRE NAMAZ " on thier forehead, ( Faked one ), whom have no knowledge of any foreign languages......nor the circle of people they hang around are any better.....and more importantly,they have no football background !......thier selection has had nothing to do with competance, nor Football, nor Education.....
Exactly like any other post in the islamic republic........The poletcis of this issue is not my concern now, but when it comes to Football and its nature of Internationalism...it back fires !.....
I assure you, if one day in future,we had Mahdavikia,or hashemian,or Ghotbi,or Even Ali daei ,at some decision makeing positions, we will not have such problems.

I have to agree with this post despite not having lived in Iran for 12 years, but all the evidence in the last 30 years leads to this conclusion described in this post.