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    "Thank you God for creation of football"

    I have no idea if this was posted or not already but this article has been one of the best I have read on euro2008 and I tell you what, if you read farsi, have a min or two, read this, it will be worth your time.
    sry if posted already but is from mehrn news and very recent so I doubt it.


    یادداشتی بر یورو 2008 /

    خدایا از آفرینش فوتبال متشکریم

    خبرگزاری مهر - گروه ورزشی: وقتی بازیکنان اسپانیایی، یکشنبه شب تن سنگین و سالخورده لوییس آراگونس را به رسم شادی به هوا پرتاب می کردند و "هیپیپ هورا" می گفتند، "فوتبال" در حالی که از بالای "ارنست هاپل" به نظاره آنها نشسته بود، از جا برخاست، تا به استراحتی کوتاه مدت برود.
    به گزارش خبرنگار مهر، سیزدهمین دوره رقابت های جام ملت های اروپا به پایان رسید و یک بار دیگر همه آنهایی که شب های خود را به پای تیم هایی که دوستشان دارند گذاشتند و با پیروزی آنها شاد شدند و با باختشان غمگین، با پایان این رقابت ها از خدا به خاطر آفرینش فوتبال تشکر کردند و به امید روزهایی هستند که دوباره "فوتبال" از راه برسد و بساط کند تا آنها روح خود را سیراب از لذایذ بی غل و غش کنند.

    اسپانیا در این دوره از رقابت ها مقتدرانه به عنوان قهرمانی رسید. آنها که فوتبال باشگاهی شان و افتخاراتشان دست نیافتنی است از این پس در عرصه ملی هم حرف هایی برای گفتن دارند. اسپانیایی ها فرزند خلف فوتبال هستند و همواره جزو تیم هایی هستند که صداقتشان در بازی بر سیاستشان چربش داشته و از این روست که همواره دست خالی مانده اند.

    اسپانیایی ها هنوز ضربه آرنج "مائورو تاسوتی" به بینی "لوییز انریکه مارتینز" در مرحله یک چهارم نهایی جام جهانی 1994 را از یاد نبرده اند. " مارکا" می نویسد: "اسپانیا همواره از یادآوری آن روز رنج می کشد. مدافع ایتالیا پیش چشم "ساندرو پل" در محوطه جریمه خطا کرد اما داور مجاری ندید و شاید نخواست ببیند."

    اسپانیا در مرحله یک چهارم نهایی جام جهانی 2002 هم با ناداوری "جمال قاندور" مقابل کره جنوبی بازی را واگذار کرد و این موضوع به قدری خشم فوتبال را برانگیخت که برای نخستین بار در تاریخ، بییندگان بازی های مراحل بالاتر رو به کاهش گذاشت.



    اما این بار آنها قهرمان شدند تا ملتی که در پیشبرد فوتبال دنیا سهم دارد فریادی از اعماق وجود سر دهد و خدا را شکر کند. آراگونز می گوید دنیا می تواند از این سبک فوتبال الگو برداری کند که پربیراه نگفته است.

    اما آلمان ها. آنها که مظهر سرسختی و بازگشت به فوتبال هستند. آنها که فرهنگ فوتبال دارند اگرچه شاید در دنیا جزو تیم های دوست داشتنی نباشند. لوکاس پودولسکی وقتی دروازه تیم لهستان را باز کرد، به احترام هموطنانش بر روی سکوها شادی نکرد. او گفت: " اقوام من از راه دور آمده بودند تا بازی را ببینند. من دو قلب دارم: یکی لهستانی، یکی آلمانی". آلمان ها پس از هر شکست یا برد، فرقی نمی کند، در زمین می ایستند و به ابراز احساسات هواداران خود پاسخ می گویند و بی جهت نیست در بازگشت از یورو 2008، ششصد هزار نفر در "براندنبورگ گیت " برلین به استقبال آنها می آیند.

    روس ها و ترکیه ای ها هم از فوتبال آموختند و به فوتبال آموختند. روس ها که مکاتب ادبی و هنری شان، جایگاهی بس ارزشمند در عرصه جهان دارد، در فوتبال هم صاحب مکتب هستند هرچند که این سوال بی پاسخ ماند که بر سر آنها در دیدار نیمه نهایی مقابل اسپانیا چه آمد. همان گونه که کسی نفهمید بر سر سنگال در یک چهارم نهایی جام جهانی 2002 مقابل ترکیه چه آمد. روس ها بی آلایش ترین فوتبال را در این رقابت ها از خود به یادگار گذاشتند. ترکیه ای ها هم با قلب های خود فوتبال بازی می کردند. شرقی های فوتبال اروپا، شرقی وار بازی می کردند و با فکر هیاهویی که قرار است در کوچه پس کوچه های استانبول به راه بیفتد، دروازه حریفان را آماج حملات خود قرار می دادند.

    فرانسوی ها و ایتالیایی ها یاد گرفتند که فوتبال چقدر پویاست. یاد گرفتند که نباید از عطر گل های هلندی غافل شد چراکه شاید شامه شان آنقدر سرشار از عطر شود که به سلامتی شان لطمه بزند که زد. فرانسه یاد گرفت که باید به دنبال زیدانی نو باشد و اگر این زیدان جدید همچون کانتونای بی همتا، اندکی هم بدخلق بود، با او بسازند تا بسوزانند. و ایتالیایی ها بدانند آنچه جوانان در آینه می بیینند، پیران در خشت خام می بینند و قهرمان جهان را نمی بایست به یک جوان می سپردند.

    کارل بروکنر در بازی با ترکیه مزد ترس را پرداخت و موتو دانست که گل نکردن یک پنالتی می تواند حتی به سرخوردگی یک ملت بینجامد.



    ری هاگل که چهار سال قبل یونان را قهرمان اروپا کرد می دانید در این دوره از رقابت ها سطح آرزویش تا چه حد تنزل یافت؟ او می خواست تیمش دست کم یک گل در این رقابت ها به ثمر برساند تا تنها تیمی لقب نگیرد که بی هیچ گل زده این دوره از رقابت ها را ترک می کند. و سوئیسی ها به عنوان تیمی که مدعی حضور در مراحل بالایی بودند ، حذف شدند اما بازیکنان این تیم در روز آخر با این پارچه نوشته به استقبال کوبی کوهن رفتند:" کوبی ازت متشکریم و خدانگهدار".

    سوئدی ها ناغافل حذف شدند و پرتغالی ها غافلگیر شدند تا معلوم شود برای قهرمانی، داشتن ستارگانی چون زلاتان ابراهیموویچ و کریستیانو رونالدو کافی نیست. و اتریشی ها که باید به غیر از موسیقی و معماری، به فوتبال هم نگاهی جدی تر داشته باشند؛ البته اگر می خواهند. روزنامه نگاران لهستانی هم یاد گرفتند قبل از بازی با آلمان و یا هر تیم دیگر، نباید تیم حریف را تحقیر کنند چون"خداوند مسخره کنندگان را دوست ندارد".

    خدایا فوتبال دوباره تمام شد تا از نو آغاز شود. خدایا از تو متشکریم که فوتبال را آفریدی تا به سان دیگر نعمت هایی که به ما عطا فرمودی، لحظات زندگی مان را سرشار از لذت های اصیل و بی همتا کنیم.

    * مسعود حسینی
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    #2
    Conclusion:

    British are god.

    Good read. Thanks

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      #3
      Originally posted by Hajagha View Post
      Conclusion:
      British are god.
      Good read. Thanks
      Haji yavash yavash dari mesl dayee Jaan Napeleon meeshi!!! Hameh cheese zeer sare een englisihaye bee namoos hast. Ay Ghasem boodoo boro aftabeh roo ab **** bezar tooye maval.
      Shookhi kardam. Haji delkhoor nashi az ma.

      On a more serious note, what the heck happened to the Russian team in the game against Spania? Part of it was great game reading of Aragones the way Spanish team packed the middle and their fast transition to defense which took away space from the Russian counter attack, but still, Russian team didnt' show up in the Semi Final game.
      "When I see the good in you, you get motivated, feel good about yourself and that creates synergy. It creates an environment where everybody can work better together. I think in the Iranian culture it becomes very ordinary to always see the bad in each other."
      Afshin Ghotbi ( Former TM Head Coach)



      Nasser Hejazi was the Takhti of our football.
      Mohammad Panjali (Former PP and TM Captain)
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        #4
        Spain knew Russia very well Ali jan I think and besides, there was no element of surprise left after they defeated the Ducth. Spain went into that game knowing exactly what they need to do.
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          #5
          Originally posted by The-Red View Post
          Spain knew Russia very well Ali jan I think and besides, there was no element of surprise left after they defeated the Ducth. Spain went into that game knowing exactly what they need to do.

          You are totally right, and I give a lot of credit to Aragones for studying Russian very well and selecting players in the first place, so he had to tools to counter Russia's strength.

          I watched Spain, Russia game 3 times and I can see how Spain is very good in defensive transition. As soon as they lost the ball 5-7 Spaniard were runnnig back and defending specially in the middle of the field. This way they were taking the red zone area away from Russians and forcing them to the wings very well.
          Everybody was talking about why Arshawin wasn't a factor now, if you look, he didnt' have the space. Several times, he tried to slip the ball to Belayntev and Zhirkov who were added from right or left, but there were 6-7 Spaniard back in defnese already (too many legs there so pass got blocked).
          If you review the game in your mind you see, that Russians never got the 3-3or 3 vs. 4 that they got in the counter attack against Sweden or Holland. With Spaniard it was 3 (Arshavin, Zhirkov, Pavleyencheck) vs. 6 or 4 vs. 7.

          Spain was scored only twice against If I am not wrong, Russia and Greece were the only team could score on them. I am not going to bore you more and talk about the team speed of Spain in offense, but they were as impressive in offensive transition as well. This guy Ramos in rigth back was amazing after the first round. He basically shut down Zhirkov (Russia's left back) in the Spain Russia game.

          This is where the role of the a great coach who is a good game reader is discovered. Combine that with his vision to select players with different attributes i.e. speed, good in both offense and defense, good ball handling skills, great team chemsitery are the foundtion of success. Of course strong Spain background in soccer can't be overlooked either, so it isn't like Aragones is a god or anything, but his acueman had a great role in championship of this underachiever team.

          The other factor probably was the inexperience of Russian team. See how Germany as a team even when they dont' play well, they find a way to win. That comes from years of experience and self confidence that is gained by years of dominating football at the world stage (or at least Europe). Russia or any lesser known team doen't have or hasnt' developed that kind of personality yet.
          "When I see the good in you, you get motivated, feel good about yourself and that creates synergy. It creates an environment where everybody can work better together. I think in the Iranian culture it becomes very ordinary to always see the bad in each other."
          Afshin Ghotbi ( Former TM Head Coach)



          Nasser Hejazi was the Takhti of our football.
          Mohammad Panjali (Former PP and TM Captain)
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            #6
            we can also look at it another way, russia knew holland too well spceially with guss hiddink being a dutch!
            Originally posted by siavasharian
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            بهترین خط دفاع.بهترین خط حمله.ثبت رکورد بیشترین گل زده.پر امتیاز ترین تیم ادوار لیگ برتر با ۴۰۹ امتیاز.پر افتخار ترین مربی لیگ برتر با دو قهرمانی
            بهترین گلزن لیگ: آرش برهانی [استقلال] با ۲۱ گل زدهبهترین خط حمله: استقلال تهران با ۷۰ گل زده

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              #7
              Originally posted by yashar_fasihnia View Post
              we can also look at it another way, russia knew holland too well spceially with guss hiddink being a dutch!
              We sure can, and it definitly was a factor, but Spain overall was the best team. No loss, was scored on only 2 times? They were really good in both offense and defense. If you have the tape of their games watch it again and dont' pay much attention to the ball and stuff, just count number of the Spainsh players when they loose the ball to the opponents (how fast they come back, how nicely they pack and concentrate in their own defensive third, watch the distance between spanirad DM Senna and Puyol and their number 4, Sena most of the times is about 5 to max 10 yards ahead of these guys and pressure the ball)
              On the contrary whatch them when they win the ball, how fast they attack. Forget about Russia, watch how toothless Germnay was against them in the final? Germany only was able to sustian max 5-10 minutes pressure on them in the second half. Spain using counter attack (same thing that Russian did well) had more chances to score the second goal against Germany. Ballack was nothing, same with Klose or even Poodolski. This to me is an indication that credit needs to go to Spnaish team.
              "When I see the good in you, you get motivated, feel good about yourself and that creates synergy. It creates an environment where everybody can work better together. I think in the Iranian culture it becomes very ordinary to always see the bad in each other."
              Afshin Ghotbi ( Former TM Head Coach)



              Nasser Hejazi was the Takhti of our football.
              Mohammad Panjali (Former PP and TM Captain)
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                #8
                Originally posted by Ali Chicago View Post
                You are totally right, and I give a lot of credit to Aragones for studying Russian very well and selecting players in the first place, so he had to tools to counter Russia's strength.
                I watched Spain, Russia game 3 times and I can see how Spain is very good in defensive transition. As soon as they lost the ball 5-7 Spaniard were runnnig back and defending specially in the middle of the field. This way they were taking the red zone area away from Russians and forcing them to the wings very well.
                Everybody was talking about why Arshawin wasn't a factor now, if you look, he didnt' have the space. Several times, he tried to slip the ball to Belayntev and Zhirkov who were added from right or left, but there were 6-7 Spaniard back in defnese already (too many legs there so pass got blocked).
                If you review the game in your mind you see, that Russians never got the 3-3or 3 vs. 4 that they got in the counter attack against Sweden or Holland. With Spaniard it was 3 (Arshavin, Zhirkov, Pavleyencheck) vs. 6 or 4 vs. 7.
                Spain was scored only twice against If I am not wrong, Russia and Greece were the only team could score on them. I am not going to bore you more and talk about the team speed of Spain in offense, but they were as impressive in offensive transition as well. This guy Ramos in rigth back was amazing after the first round. He basically shut down Zhirkov (Russia's left back) in the Spain Russia game.
                This is where the role of the a great coach who is a good game reader is discovered. Combine that with his vision to select players with different attributes i.e. speed, good in both offense and defense, good ball handling skills, great team chemsitery are the foundtion of success. Of course strong Spain background in soccer can't be overlooked either, so it isn't like Aragones is a god or anything, but his acueman had a great role in championship of this underachiever team.
                The other factor probably was the inexperience of Russian team. See how Germany as a team even when they dont' play well, they find a way to win. That comes from years of experience and self confidence that is gained by years of dominating football at the world stage (or at least Europe). Russia or any lesser known team doen't have or hasnt' developed that kind of personality yet.
                IRIB,in the after game news of Russia & Spain....., coded what Cassillas,
                the Spanish Goal keeper said ;
                Cassillas has said, Aragones is the best coach in the world, and Spain national team will miss him alot if he leaves the team....he also said, Aragones plan against Russia,was to play defensive and no particular plans,to confuse the Russian coach,and make them come out of thier plans....and made Russia to attack...and once they took Russia out of thier plans,then on the secound half and based on first half analysis, beat them.

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                  #9
                  I dont know if everyone's noticed it but I feel the general direction of top class football ( basically, european football ) is becoming more positive after a period of negativity.

                  by negativity I mean teams playing too deep, more defensive oriented strategies than offensive ones, spreading the line up & formation with emphasis on defensive duties than attacking ones, even the formation 4-2-3-1 becoming prevalent with 2 def mids and ... etc.
                  No wonder teams like greece and Italy won major trophies, with their clear emphasis on not conceding and relying on chance or counterattacks to score.

                  But in the past couple of years, we see europe slowly moving away from that heavy-in-the-back attitude towards more adventurous football.

                  we see it in club level teams that used to be more cautious, play more attacking and fast paced football.
                  (btw, I think "SPEED & PACE" has become the most important factor in many teams. look at spain, holland, russia, ... even teams like Italy and Germany have become faster in their transitions)
                  nat'l teams also have become more adventurous and attack minded.

                  even the formation 4-2-3-1, which started with the philosophy of spreading your team from 3 lines to 4 lines, to make it more difficult to get penetrated, has morphed into a less back-heavy and somewhat forward looking one with more and more teams using the second DEF-MID post for a PLAYMAKER ( pirlo, xavi, Van der vaart, ... ) rather than a mid who defends well. this pushes up the player in front of him who participates in attacks more.

                  so I see a slow shift from caution and defensive mind to a more forward looking positive attitude with a heavy dose of pace, which has made european football that much more interesting.

                  who'd think teams like turkey, russia, romania, ... when facing giants like germany, holland, ... play with such open offensive styles... enough to give the giants heart attacks? now teams think they can score goals and go about the game looking for goals. rather than making sure they dont concede any.

                  So thank god for this shift in philosophy.

                  ----------------

                  I also think mixing pace with attacking styles has led to older teams like france, swededn, and Italy to fall by the way side and make way for younger teams like russia.
                  I guess you shdnt underestimate the energy and drive of youth.

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                    #10
                    ^
                    on the contrary, more teams are beginning to play the 1 striker and 2 DM (4-2-3-1) formation both in clubs and in national teams.

                    however, like i said previously, just because u have 1 striker and/or 2 DM doesnt mean ur having a defensive approach. it can be very offensive as well.
                    Originally posted by siavasharian
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                    بهترین خط دفاع.بهترین خط حمله.ثبت رکورد بیشترین گل زده.پر امتیاز ترین تیم ادوار لیگ برتر با ۴۰۹ امتیاز.پر افتخار ترین مربی لیگ برتر با دو قهرمانی
                    بهترین گلزن لیگ: آرش برهانی [استقلال] با ۲۱ گل زدهبهترین خط حمله: استقلال تهران با ۷۰ گل زده

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                      #11
                      ^
                      did you even read what I wrote about 4-2-3-1 ?
                      read it again (with the examples)



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                      having two DEFENSIVE midfielders and one striker, does mean a more defensive stance.

                      the thing is we tag the players at the "2" as "def mid" ... whereas nowadays BOTH are NOT defensive players.
                      I dare anyone to prove pirlo does the same thing as gatusso
                      or xavi the same as senna
                      or van der vaart the same as engelaar
                      or ...
                      coz if you prove these players have the SAME DUTY and play the same way, then I will accept everything else.
                      as I said, by default ( and mistakenly ) we name the 2 players playing in front of the back 4 , "def mids" which doesnt do justice to the playmakers.

                      but in TM, we DO have two DEFENSIVE players in the second line. BOTH nekunam and ando are DEFENSIVE players who do a fine job at intercepting , blocking and greaking up the opponent's plays. in other words, neither is a playmaker !
                      and THAT means we omit the role of the "playmaker" , which subsequently, affects the creativity of the team in attacks and feeding of the striker and ... .

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                      as for the single striker, I think many of us have discussed it in length.
                      in short:
                      we dont have strikers like VNR or henry or toni.
                      so it's pointless to play with a single forward at TM.
                      until the day we discover a VNR in Iran, we HAVE TO play with 2 forwards.
                      short & sweet

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                        #12
                        ya good observations Ali, yashar and DD jan....overall, I thought this was one of the most exciting and most football-friendly(the way we all love the game to be ) comapre to most major tounaments of late..for sure better than WC06, but of course I realize these 16 teams included most of the best teams in the world and it was expected that they play better games overall.
                        simply most games were enjoyable, and Thank God for the creation of Football, and also Thank God for eliminating the boring Greek lol
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Doctor DOOM View Post
                          ^
                          did you even read what I wrote about 4-2-3-1 ?
                          read it again (with the examples)



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                          having two DEFENSIVE midfielders and one striker, does mean a more defensive stance.

                          the thing is we tag the players at the "2" as "def mid" ... whereas nowadays BOTH are NOT defensive players.
                          I dare anyone to prove pirlo does the same thing as gatusso
                          or xavi the same as senna
                          or van der vaart the same as engelaar
                          or ...
                          coz if you prove these players have the SAME DUTY and play the same way, then I will accept everything else.
                          as I said, by default ( and mistakenly ) we name the 2 players playing in front of the back 4 , "def mids" which doesnt do justice to the playmakers.

                          but in TM, we DO have two DEFENSIVE players in the second line. BOTH nekunam and ando are DEFENSIVE players who do a fine job at intercepting , blocking and greaking up the opponent's plays. in other words, neither is a playmaker !
                          and THAT means we omit the role of the "playmaker" , which subsequently, affects the creativity of the team in attacks and feeding of the striker and ... .

                          ---------------

                          as for the single striker, I think many of us have discussed it in length.
                          in short:
                          we dont have strikers like VNR or henry or toni.
                          so it's pointless to play with a single forward at TM.
                          until the day we discover a VNR in Iran, we HAVE TO play with 2 forwards.
                          short & sweet
                          nekounam has playmaking tendencies while andranik has completely destructive style.

                          in the example u mentioned, nekounam can be associated to pirlo while andranik to gattuso. they both are not totally destructive midfielders. all the ball distribution and transition from defense to offense goes through nekounam, just like it goes through pirlo.
                          Originally posted by siavasharian
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                          بهترین خط دفاع.بهترین خط حمله.ثبت رکورد بیشترین گل زده.پر امتیاز ترین تیم ادوار لیگ برتر با ۴۰۹ امتیاز.پر افتخار ترین مربی لیگ برتر با دو قهرمانی
                          بهترین گلزن لیگ: آرش برهانی [استقلال] با ۲۱ گل زدهبهترین خط حمله: استقلال تهران با ۷۰ گل زده

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                            #14
                            ...and DD is completely off with 4-2-3-1 formation. dadash-e-man, you can not refuse a formation where most of attacking orinted teams such as Spain, Holand, Portugal, Russia,... just presented to you in Euro 2008.

                            As I mentioned before for you, in 4-2-3-1 the two left and right defenders have very important roles which are attacking. If you check the recent selected teams, most sites picked the attacking minded defenders such as Turkey, Russia, I even see a site picked Lahm as the best LD.

                            Think about it.

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                              #15
                              I refuse the formation when in IRAN ( key word here ) we dont have or use it properly ( thank you for not reading what I always say !!!!! ).
                              I didnt say how dare barcelona or holland use 4-2-3-1, did I?
                              I said in TM we dont have the forwards who can satisfy the requirements of the single forward line up, and we dont use the correct players for the "2" mids in front of the backs.
                              if you had bothered to read what I always write, you'd know I'm against using nekounam and ando in tandem in TM.... especially when we're not facing extremely strong teams.
                              and especially when the most prominent area we have been suffering from in recent times has been lack of scoring.
                              which has direct co-relation with both the issues I have against this formation ( single forward and using 2 defensive players in line "2" ).

                              now, if we had used something like 4-1-3-2, that would imminently make things more sensible as we wont waste a spot on yet another defensive player, and we add another option in front.


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                              nekounam may have some "tendencies". but then as "tendencies" go we may even see hosseini and aghili show some "tendencies".
                              the question is ARE THESE PLAYERS "PLAYMAKERS" ?
                              NO.

                              even gatusso, senna, engelaar, ... show these "tendencies" . afterall in a game these players also do make a few passes to create chances , but that does NOT make them "playmakers".

                              we NEED creative players who make things happen with passes or moves with such frequency that regular players arent capable of producing.
                              players like navidkia, for example.
                              nekounam is NOT such a player.
                              I've even seen ando give a couple of through passes to the forwards that were pretty nice. but does that make him a playmaker? NO.

                              this frequency has to be that much higher since our forwards' strike rates arent high enough and we make life difficult for ourselves by reducing their numbers also! so we need that much more chances created to score the one or couple of goals needed.
                              The difference is do we want to constantly supply our forwards and runners with options and passes or do we want to create a pass once every 20-25 minutes? and considering the poor strike rate of our forwards ( Henry's or VNR's are maybe 4-5 goals out of 10 chances. ours may be 1-2 out of 10 ), no wonder we have had such a drought of goals with this system!

                              still "off" ??

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