Ghotbi Factor !

[zzgloo]

We have had many threads about Ghotbi here in F+ and in football forum....

Some had to do with his good job in PP
Some had to do with his " Supporting Cast " ( This is going on right now in the other thread for the 10 th time )
Some had to do with,if he is as good as advertized
Some had to do with Mafia around him
Some had to do with His credentials
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What I like to mention here , is about " His revelution " !,thats right, His revelution !!!

Forget,his credentilas,or if he is any good ,etc,etc............
He with his, American naivity,and very little knowledge of mafia games,has indirectly shed some light on mafia,and what is behind closed doors....he has introduced what a proffesional attitude can do....and more and more has made officials and ordinary fans to think and do without " Hashieh "....., and since,he himslef is an Iranian,has made fans wonder...............
He has the backing of the fans , " Calling him the EMPERATOOR ", and the league's Cup to defend him....
Although, Ghotbi, may have no poletical agenda in Mind, yet,his proffesional, no nonesence,everything on the table,attitude, is starting to Contaminate the Football in Iran...and he is doing it from PP,where all issues is most magnified,and can have longer lasting effects than even TM changes.
Not only that....He is bringing Iranians Outside and Iranians Inside,closer.......and it is possible, Ghotbi Phenamina even have poletical consiquences.

[TM-Fan]

ZZgloo jan, let's not make an angel out of Ghotbi. He is just a good coach for IPL and PP, that's all. Let's not forget that he was even unable to find a decent job in UAE and Korea and that was definitely part of the reason he returned to PP.

In terms of his "American naivity", I think he is smarter than what you think or what he tries to pretend. Before he leaves Iran, he said that he did not accept PP's job as he couldn't promise the ACL championship to the fans because of lack of PP's infrastructures and funds. He also mentioned family issues as an excuse for leaving Iran.

Now the same person is promising the ACL championship to the fans when no Iranian club has won it for a long time. And it is also interesting to know how his family issue has been solved in the matter of less than a month!

[zzgloo]

ZZgloo jan, let's not make an angel out of Ghotbi. He is just a good coach for IPL and PP, that's all. Let's not forget that he was even unable to find a decent job in UAE and Korea and that was definitely part of the reason he returned to PP.

In terms of his "American naivity", I think he is smarter than what you think or what he tries to pretend. Before he leaves Iran, he said that he did not accept PP's job as he couldn't promise the ACL championship to the fans because of lack of PP's infrastructures and funds. He also mentioned family issues as an excuse for leaving Iran.

Now the same person is promising the ACL championship to the fans when no Iranian club has won it for a long time. And it is also interesting to know how his family issue has been solved in the matter of less than a month!

TM-fan e aziz,
I am talking about a different issue here......I know he is nobody, but I am saying ,lets look what is happening with his arrival......
already,because of his fan base, Aliabadi,has changed the whole PP system...
based on the karim bagheri's interview and what he said was going on inside PP, he is changeing the attitude of players...and causing more transparent relations..............and fans are noticeing it,and likeing it........and what all these will mean in highly magnified PP,and iranian football.

[Doctor DOOM]

lets be realistic.

last year, despite ppl's portrayal of ghotbi, we didnt know much about his capabilities as a head coach ( and whoever claims he did, is fooling himself. coz there was precedence on that for ghotbi anyway )

- some ppl took his western education as an indication of his capability, without considering the details of it. just becoz one is from the west does not mean one is capable.

- some ppl flocked around him simply becoz he was chosen to lead pp, their team. had it been ss, many of the very same ppl would NOT have made all those strong defenses and arguments for him!

- some ppl were simply affected by him being a part of the staff at 2 WC teams. But that is never enough and is no validation to a person being a quality HEAD coach either.

so realistically speaking until he finished the season with pp, he was not a proven coach. he HAD TO prove his capabilities as a head coach to validate all the supprot and tags and adjectives that were piled BEFORE he was even halfway through the campaign!
( all those who later came and said "you saw I/we were right?" are belittling themselves as they resemble more like 'blind supporters' than ppl who based their opinion on hard facts )

this year, however, is different.
this year he HAS proven himself and his capabilities.
and he has earned ppl's respect. No wonder pp was ready to let go of their golden boy estili, marzbaan, and some other players just to accommodate ghotbi.

Good for pp.
Lets hope they deliver at ACL too.



speaking of which, I must repeat what I said in general forum.
I dont care what goals coaches and players "talk about" as long as they start ACTING on them.
we have seen many coaches & players "talk" a lot about many ambitious matters, but when the crunch time came, they crumbled and wimped out!

so I'd rather see a player or coach ACT on his motivation, hunger and ambition than just "talk" about it

[maij]

I am somewhere in the middle with Ghotbi, and like many coaches , he has his own pros and cons.

I do not find him a great coach , but his management of resources seems to be quite good.
I don't find him a good tactician and he has a long way to go to become one, however , there are glimpses of hope that the man is ready to learn and he is realistic.

I really don't care much about what is behind the scene and how suddenly he changed his mind after being adamant that he is not returning to Iran , yet...everything has changed all of a sudden.....The important point is that , someone appreciated him and found some value in him and hired him.

He needs to be supported and let him carry one with his job...prosecute him if he fails to deliver , but as of now.......the man has earned it as far as I can see.

[Adesor Vafaseya]

Udo Lattek, the legendary German coach once said:
"You win the league, you are good. You defend the title, you are one of the best".

indeed, How do we judge coaches?
surely, winning the title gives a coach credibility and highers expectations. But the real calibre of the coach really comes out - as Udo Lattek said - how the coach performs the year after the title.

All these discussions aside, I wish our football in general to produce that calibre of a coach very soon.

[maij]

Udo Lattek, the legendary German coach once said:
"You win the league, you are good. You defend the title, you are one of the best".

indeed, How do we judge coaches?
surely, winning the title gives a coach credibility and highers expectations. But the real calibre of the coach really comes out - as Udo Lattek said - how the coach performs the year after the title.

All this discussions aside, I wish our football in general to produce that calibre of a coach very soon.

I truly believe in Lattek's words.


BTW: I noticed you changed your age.....How come you are getting younger ???

[Adesor Vafaseya]

I truly believe in Lattek's words.


BTW: I noticed you changed your age.....How come you are getting younger ???

mid-life crisis

[maij]

mid-life crisis

I wish I had the same problem...

[Adesor Vafaseya]

I wish I had the same problem...

Baba shoma ke tazeh avvaleh javoonitooneh

[the-ali]

he is a true gentelmen and probably has the best proffesional attitude among any Iranian coach. I believe his proffesionalism combined with the experience he is getting everyday will be a key asset in Iranian football, and hopefully one day in Team Melli.

[zzgloo]

His original nationality is an asset for him......coaches like denizeli,or Branko cann't care less what the hell Iranian culture is,and how it is different from others.....He has learned the western desiplin through an Iranian eyes...and that may make him to convay it to other Iranians, in a more practical way.....
I do not know,how many of our fellow members here have " AZARI " background...( I am 50% azari )...but,In last 11 years,that I have been going to Iran Once a year,I have found that ,Azari people have so much in common with Americans,and much easier to work with......in a way,that, they mean what they say,and they say what they mean....although,that quality may have been inturpreted as naive or stupid, by some ( Tehranis ), but Ghotbi needs some more Azari players ,like karim bagheri ,to surrand him with.
All aside, Ghotbi,could ignite some proffesionalism in Iranian football managenment, ...not because he is very smart, but because the contrast in his attitude with what is the norm in Iran.

[Kaveh]

Udo Lattek, the legendary German coach once said:
"You win the league, you are good. You defend the title, you are one of the best".
indeed, How do we judge coaches?
surely, winning the title gives a coach credibility and highers expectations. But the real calibre of the coach really comes out - as Udo Lattek said - how the coach performs the year after the title.
All these discussions aside, I wish our football in general to produce that calibre of a coach very soon.

[zzgloo]

I do not think repeating championship in Iran,is as hard as western Europe...
If we look at the ruster,the PP has picked up nice players, and has not lost any one of significance....with the addition of , choseing 3 from 50 foerign players...plus, ghotbi has said, he wants to invite Rahman Rezaie,and feraidoon zandi.....and two foreign assistant coahes...
While, The sepahan,has lost many players, and its coach....
Saipa,lost Ali daei,and some players.
Esteghlal,is another year or two behind in being competative.
............and,Ghotbi is better prepared, has more information,more command,and less distraction......with thier TOP fans.....

[yashar_fasihnia]

I do not think repeating championship in Iran,is as hard as western Europe...
If we look at the ruster,the PP has picked up nice players, and has not lost any one of significance....with the addition of , choseing 3 from 50 foerign players...plus, ghotbi has said, he wants to invite Rahman Rezaie,and feraidoon zandi.....and two foreign assistant coahes...
While, The sepahan,has lost many players, and its coach....
Saipa,lost Ali daei,and some players.
Esteghlal,is another year or two behind in being competative.
............and,Ghotbi is better prepared, has more information,more command,and less distraction......with thier TOP fans.....

i respectfully disagree bahram jan.

repeating championship in iran is not as difficult as it is in the west, but again, ghotbi again is no worldclass coach for it to be easier for him. while ferguson as a worldclass coach has to beat lots of worldclass coaches to repeat his championship, ghotbi as an average coach (by international standards) has to beat other average coaches (again by interenational standards) to repeat his championship. in essenece, they both have to beat their opponents who are or more or less, the same caliber to repeat their success. so its a relative matter.
ghotbi now has to work with a new management board and assistants + perspolis still hasnt got some of its old key players like kaabi, nosrati, agahei and badamaki. also farzad ashoubi, another key player left for mes kerman. add to that, the fact that ghotbi has now spent 1 season in iran and the other coaches and teams have known him better and can study him better for their games.

second, i think both sepahan and esteghlal will be tough competitors. sepahan has added some good players. the big question mark is over their coach firat. i think if he does his job well, sepahan can be as good as perspolis.

esteghlal on the other side is not 1 or 2 years from being competitive either in my opinion. with the return of ghalenoi and key esteghlal players both from last season and the seasons under ghalenoi, they are gonna be competitive already since the players and the coach are quite familiar with each other.
the same perspolis 2 seasons back was not competitive. but the next season (meanin last season) we saw how competitive they became.

P.S. just because rahman rezai, zandi and mobali are linked with perspolis doesnt mean they will get them. such links with such players and coaches have been there every season but it never happened. so lets wait and see it if happens first.